YW! Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:52 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Yvonne, what a handy site. Marcelle in WA -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 1:16 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Marcelle, Not sure where you might the records you are after, but have you had a look at Cora's site, with lots of links for Australia? http://www.coraweb.com.au/ Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 11:34 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names and the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however so perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in a haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people they could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named one of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." 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