In a message dated 15/06/2007 18:43:53 GMT Standard Time, yorkshire123@blueyonder.co.uk writes: 1. My gtgrandparents were both deaf and dumb from birth 2. The marriage cert shows they signed X their mark 3.In 1881 they are together (in Saddleworth )and a small baby in house, no relatives near by. 4.How did they give details for the census?????????????????? 5. Did they have people who could "sign" to them ??????? Hi 1. OK 2. I can't see that this is a problem. 3. Couldn't it have been their baby - would like to have seen what was in the census 4. Probably a friendly neighbour 5. I think that they certainly wouldn't have been professional but again they probably relied on a neighbour or friend. You forgot to give their names so we were unable to look them up to see how it was written. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html