From: "Carolyn" <cazdebona@ozemail.com.au> > I wonder if someone can help me, I have a place name on the 1901 > Census RG13; Piece: 4316; Folio: 104; Page: 7. for Mariana HERST which > appears to be Bercker, unfortunately I can't find this place in > Yorkshire anywhere.. Does anyone else have any ideas.> The place name seems to me to be BLACKER, which, according to the Genuki pages, is a hamlet in the chapelry of Worsborough and parish of Darfield, two miles south of Barnsley. It clearly starts with a "Bl" and ends in "ker" if you compare it with the word "Worker" on the same page. I cannot find any other place in the area that it might be. Noting that Thomas Hurst has a stepdaughter living with him, who was obviously a child of the wife's called Longbottom, I looked for a Mariana Longbottom at FreeBMD and there she is, birth registered at Barnsley in the Sep quarter of 1865, vol 9c page 166, which makes her the right age in 1901. The child was presumably born illegitimate to Mariana. You should hopefully be able to find her in the 1891 census and check what the birthplace was in that. Of course, you will have to look for her as Hurst or Winterbottom, since we don't know when she married Thomas - or, if indeed, she did, because I can't see a marriage at FreeBMD. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > From: "Carolyn" <cazdebona@ozemail.com.au> > > > I wonder if someone can help me, I have a place name on the 1901 > > Census RG13; Piece: 4316; Folio: 104; Page: 7. for Mariana HERST > > which appears to be Bercker, unfortunately I can't find this place > > in Yorkshire anywhere.. Does anyone else have any ideas.> > > The place name seems to me to be BLACKER, which, according to the > Genuki pages, is a hamlet in the chapelry of Worsborough and parish of > Darfield, two miles south of Barnsley. It clearly starts with a "Bl" > and ends in "ker" if you compare it with the word "Worker" on the same > page. I cannot find any other place in the area that it might be. > > Noting that Thomas Hurst has a stepdaughter living with him, who was > obviously a child of the wife's called Longbottom, I looked for a > Mariana Longbottom at FreeBMD and there she is, birth registered at > Barnsley in the Sep quarter of 1865, vol 9c page 166, which makes her > the right age in 1901. The child was presumably born illegitimate to > Mariana. > > You should hopefully be able to find her in the 1891 census and check > what the birthplace was in that. Of course, you will have to look for > her as Hurst or Winterbottom, since we don't know when she married > Thomas - or, if indeed, she did, because I can't see a marriage at > FreeBMD.> Sorry, I meant of course WINTERBOTTOM, not Longbottom. There are too many bottoms in Yorkshire! -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks Roy, That makes heaps more sense, mustn't have been think straight last night I did a search on names ending in *Ker and still didn't get it. I haven't really started looking at this particular HIRST line, I was doing a data clean up and thought this name doesn't look right !! Think I'll have a trawl through Ancestry and see if I can pick up a marriage for WINTERBOTTOM in Barnsley and go from there. Cheers Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2007 8:51 PM To: ENG-YORKSHIRE; eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Place Name From: "Carolyn" <cazdebona@ozemail.com.au> > I wonder if someone can help me, I have a place name on the 1901 > Census RG13; Piece: 4316; Folio: 104; Page: 7. for Mariana HERST which > appears to be Bercker, unfortunately I can't find this place in > Yorkshire anywhere.. Does anyone else have any ideas.> The place name seems to me to be BLACKER, which, according to the Genuki pages, is a hamlet in the chapelry of Worsborough and parish of Darfield, two miles south of Barnsley. It clearly starts with a "Bl" and ends in "ker" if you compare it with the word "Worker" on the same page. I cannot find any other place in the area that it might be. Noting that Thomas Hurst has a stepdaughter living with him, who was obviously a child of the wife's called Longbottom, I looked for a Mariana Longbottom at FreeBMD and there she is, birth registered at Barnsley in the Sep quarter of 1865, vol 9c page 166, which makes her the right age in 1901. The child was presumably born illegitimate to Mariana. You should hopefully be able to find her in the 1891 census and check what the birthplace was in that. Of course, you will have to look for her as Hurst or Winterbottom, since we don't know when she married Thomas - or, if indeed, she did, because I can't see a marriage at FreeBMD. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message