Well said Debra!! To take a stick to the horse before you've given the carrot is totally out of order!! Maybe the reply should have been If you can supply more details, we may be able to help you. Garry FUDGE Leeds, West Yorkshire. From: "Debra" Oh please, can we try being polite, it would be just as easy to ask for dates and places without the extra comments. If those comments are needed perhaps it could be in the form of advice rather than criticisms. We all have bad days, but gee courtesy can go a long way. >>>>>>> What a totally absurd and ridiculoust post! Why don't you try giving some serious details like dates, places, etc.? Otherwise, how on earth do you expect people to help you? >> Roy Stockdill