It actually is Heather because there are plenty of ancestors with Christian names that aren't their every day given name. Not so bad when it is the state registering the name but earlier before 1800 you can find that the name given when baptized is not the name you find given in the early censuses because the family given name is used and not the Christian name. Was a bit surprised that people thought given name was something new, even worse that some people didn't know the difference and its consequences in our hobby Terry > From: deanh61@hotmail.co.uk > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:49:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > > Not insulted or thin skinned, merely mildly irritated. It really isnt important. > > best wishes to you too. > > Heather > > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:40:29 +0000 > > From: garymarian@comcast.net > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > > > "Oh for goodness sake", who would know that you were the last word on the subject? We are all here to trade comment and data in a friendly manner, even those with thin skin. No insult intended. > > Best wishes, > > Gary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "h dean" <deanh61@hotmail.co.uk> > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:05:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > > > > > Oh for goodness sake what difference does it make? - everyone knows what I meant by christian name - and since the subject seemed to be finished anyway then I really dont see the point of you making your 'correction'. > > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:31:07 +0000 > > > From: garymarian@comcast.net > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > > > > > Hi, > > > Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more accurate term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is out of date in today's expanded lexicon. > > > Cheers, > > > Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "h dean" <deanh61@hotmail.co.uk> > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:04:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > Ok thanks Mel, I'll check Yorkshire BMD for my own Yorkshire relatives. > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:07:09 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > > > No, probably not doing anything wrong. > > > > > > > > I have found that for many of my Yorkshire ancestors which were in the > > > > Yeadon & Otley areas the GRO Index (FreeBMD) gives the registration district > > > > - typically Wharfedale or Otley but the Yorkshire BMD indexes give me > > > > Yeadon, Rawdon, etc which are the villages themselves. Perhaps for Kirkstall > > > > they didn't break it down. > > > > > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > > > Sent: October 24, 2010 6:32 AM > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. > > > > > > > > I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and > > > > King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place > > > > anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you > > > > suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of > > > > Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? > > > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather: > > > > > > > > > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > > > > > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > > > > > already. > > > > > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > > > > > does. > > > > > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > > > > > > > > > Mel Smith > > > > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > > > > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > > > > > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > > > > > bothered with deed poll either. > > > > > > > > > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started > > > > researching > > > > > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its > > > > an > > > > > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > > > > > King have the same occupation anyway. > > > > > > > > > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > > > > > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > > > > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > > > > > > Heather. > > > > > > > > > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > > > > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > > > > > > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > > > > > > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > > > > > defraud > > > > > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > > > > > was > > > > > > asked for until quite recent > > > > > > > > > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > > > > > that > > > > > > you know for King ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is > > > > from > > > > > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > > > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > > > > > family > > > > > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > > > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > > > > > there > > > > > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > > > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > > > > > > > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > > > > > born > > > > > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > > > > > > > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - 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I didnt mean that the difference between christian and given names isnt important - I was referring to the fact that Gary had thought I was insulted in some way. It seems that I may have been rather irritable last night (just come in from work) and I apologise if people feel I was wrong to comment - the discussion between christian names and given names is an interesting point - although as I said, I think everyone knew what I meant by christian name :) I actually have another question re name changes if people dont mind, but will make another thread as its completely different :)) kind regards to all Heather > From: terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:07:37 +0200 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > > It actually is Heather because there are plenty of ancestors with Christian names that aren't their every day given name. Not so bad when it is the state registering the name but earlier before 1800 you can find that the name given when baptized is not the name you find given in the early censuses because the family given name is used and not the Christian name. Was a bit surprised that people thought given name was something new, even worse that some people didn't know the difference and its consequences in our hobby > Terry > >