This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RACattle Surnames: Cattle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15667/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am told Richard Cattle who was married to ADA was in trouble with the police in York between 1902 and his death in 1925. Has anyone got a source to find if this is true or a family tale??? A long shot!!! Rob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eworld_2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15664.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A quick look at FreeBMD suggests that Adelaide married Ernest White in 1934 and that their were children Births Jun 1934 White David B Beverley Rotherham 9c 926 Births Mar 1937 White Charles R B Beverley Gateshead 10a 1152 Births Jun 1938 White Prudence D Beverley Gateshead 10a 1313 You would need to use the 1911 census to check the parents and confirm the marriage but it's worth a look as she was born in the Rotherham registration District Tracing Mary is not quite so straightforward ! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi again That is for you to do Dennis Its not difficult, click the blued link in the first post and repeat your post there It looks like you have a match for the posters family Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >Hi Dennis >> >>As the post that you replied to was a gatewayed one, your reply will not >>be >>seen by them if they don't also subscribe to the list (most don't) >> >>You need to click the blue link which takes you to the board where it was >>posted originally, reply there and in turn your reply will be gatewayed >>back >>to the list so you only need post once >> >>I am sure the poster would want to see your information > > Feel free to forward it. > > -- > > Dennis Kowallek

Hi Dennis As the post that you replied to was a gatewayed one, your reply will not be seen by them if they don't also subscribe to the list (most don't) You need to click the blue link which takes you to the board where it was posted originally, reply there and in turn your reply will be gatewayed back to the list so you only need post once I am sure the poster would want to see your information Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kowallek" <kowallek@iglou.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: 22 October 2010 21:37 Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] parish records lookups > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:21:08 -0000, "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>Do you have any records for Allerthorpe Yorks. I have a family there would >>like to know mothers maiden name. >>James Hatfield 1806 shoemaker >>Sarah ??? 1806 >>James (son) 1828 >>Elizabeth dau.1829 >>Mary dau 1833 >>Ann dau 1835

Hi Heather: You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't already. It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD does. Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have bothered with deed poll either. As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started researching this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its an interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with King have the same occupation anyway. I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. thanks again Heather. > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely the > average person would bother with the expense of it > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to defraud > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof was > asked for until quite recent > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match that > you know for King ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the family > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year there > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison born > > Leeds at that time). > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > Heather > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15637.14.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi As James was born in Bishopthorpe (1803 re 1851 census) and Sarah born 1802 Upper Helmsley (again re 1851) you are more likely to find the marriage there The birth cert for William would also give you the mothers maiden name NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have bothered with deed poll either. As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started researching this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its an interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with King have the same occupation anyway. I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. thanks again Heather. > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely the > average person would bother with the expense of it > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to defraud > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof was > asked for until quite recent > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match that > you know for King ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the family > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year there > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison born > > Leeds at that time). > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > Heather > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely the average person would bother with the expense of it It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to defraud or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof was asked for until quite recent On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match that you know for King ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi everyone > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the family > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year there > is a boy named King Harrison. > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison born > Leeds at that time). > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > Heather

Hi everyone I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert Harrison that is the cause of my query. Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the family in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year there is a boy named King Harrison. I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison born Leeds at that time). Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. thanks for any help and opinions. Heather

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15637.14/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Do you have any records for Allerthorpe Yorks. I have a family there would like to know mothers maiden name. James Hatfield 1806 shoemaker Sarah ??? 1806 James (son) 1828 Elizabeth dau.1829 Mary dau 1833 Ann dau 1835 Dinah dau 1837 William 1840 I have looked on the IGI where all the births are registered but can;t find James.Ann marriage or her surname Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: flint Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15665.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: keeping with the Ecclesall Bierlow connection James 1867 b Dore Derbyshire a Brewers Clerk married 16 years to Christiana Ada 1868 b Liverpool other children Nellie 1896 b Dore Joseph William 1897 ditto Frank 1899 ditto James 1905 ditto living in Devonshire Terrace Dore Sheffield, registration district of Ecclesall Bierlow Sub District of Dore However, as suggested, you would be advised to view his marriage cert to confirm Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>Hi Dennis > >As the post that you replied to was a gatewayed one, your reply will not be >seen by them if they don't also subscribe to the list (most don't) > >You need to click the blue link which takes you to the board where it was >posted originally, reply there and in turn your reply will be gatewayed back >to the list so you only need post once > >I am sure the poster would want to see your information Feel free to forward it. -- Dennis Kowallek Cincinnati, Ohio kowallek@iglou.com ******************

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:21:08 -0000, "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Do you have any records for Allerthorpe Yorks. I have a family there would like to know mothers maiden name. >James Hatfield 1806 shoemaker >Sarah ??? 1806 >James (son) 1828 >Elizabeth dau.1829 >Mary dau 1833 >Ann dau 1835 >Dinah dau 1837 >William 1840 I have this family which looks quite similar... Family Group Sheet for Thomas Hatfield =========================================================================== Husband: Thomas Hatfield =========================================================================== Born: 20 Dec 1804 Died: 4 May 1891 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Father: James Hatfield Mother: Elizabeth Stoakes Marriage: 27 Dec 1825 Place: Holtby, Yorkshire, England =========================================================================== Wife: Sarah Cooper =========================================================================== Died: 20 Mar 1868 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England =========================================================================== Children =========================================================================== 1 M James Hatfield Born: - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Died: Dec Q 1842 - Pocklington, Yorkshire, England Spouse: Never Married Marr. Date: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 F Elizabeth Hatfield Born: Abt 1831 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Died: 1881 - York, Yorkshire, England Spouse: George Wilkinson Marr. Date: 1862 - York, Yorkshire, England --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 F Mary Hatfield Born: - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Spouse: John Massey Marr. Date: 1851 - Pocklington Registration District, England --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 F Ann Hatfield Born: - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Spouse: John Cowper Marr. Date: 11 Jan 1857 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England (Parish Church) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 F Ellen Hatfield Born: Abt 1827 - Dunnington Near York, Yorkshire, England Died: 24 Oct 1857 - Beverley, Yorkshire, England Spouse: Never Married Marr. Date: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 F Dinah Hatfield Born: - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Died: 14 Apr 1925 - Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Spouse: Robinson Crosby Marr. Date: 31 Jan 1859 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England (Parish Church) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 M William Hatfield Spouse: Mary Ann Button Marr. Date: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8 F Sarah Hatfield Born: Abt 1842 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Spouse: William Wright Marr. Date: 1863 - York Registration District, England --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9 M James Hatfield Born: 13 Feb 1846 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Died: 4 Aug 1887 Buried: 1887 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England (Churchyard) Spouse: Elizabeth Cockerill Marr. Date: 19 Aug 1867 - Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England (Parish Church) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dennis Kowallek Cincinnati, Ohio kowallek@iglou.com ******************

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suecoombs115 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15665.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is a possible birth record for him - seems to fit Name: James William Flint Year of Registration: 1903 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Ecclesall Bierlow County: Derbyshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 465 Kind regards, Sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hodowd1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15666.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Haha, brilliant detective work, THANK YOU!!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15666.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi ???? The present online suppliers of the 1911 census expressly forbid look ups but there is no reason you can't check for yourself in the index anyway The 1911 was taken April 2nd and a March quarter marriage would be Jan, Feb or March so before the census NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BelleRinger Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15666.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I can't find Joseph Wilks at all in the 1911 census, but I did find Charles W Tibbutt & his wife Jessie, so I guess that means Joseph Wilks married Dorothy G Haslam! The 1911 census was taken on 2 Apr 1911, so the marriage would have taken place before it. Christine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hodowd1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15666.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, Joseph Wilks was born in Sheffield in 1889 (oops!) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hodowd1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15666/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi All, Joseph Wilks was married in Sheffield March Qtr 1911, and looking at the others on the page, to either:- Dorothy G Haslam or Jessie Taylor. I'm not sure if the 1911 census return was taken after this Qtr and wondered if anyone could find Joseph in 1911 and let me know the details. All help, as always, is very much appreciated. Thank you! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BelleRinger Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15665.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The best way to tackle this is for you to buy the marriage certficate for your grandparents, which should show James William Flint's age at marriage, his father's name and his father's occupation. This will make it easier to trace him further back, probably to the 1911 census. Christine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.