I don't see why , Christian name is what it is Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more > accurate term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is > out of date in today's expanded lexicon. > Cheers, > Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent)

Unless the name is not of the Christian religion, such as with an oriental ancestor, or.... Cheers, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:52:37 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? I don't see why , Christian name is what it is Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more > accurate term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is > out of date in today's expanded lexicon. > Cheers, > Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent) Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more accurate term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is out of date in today's expanded lexicon. Cheers, Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent) ----- Original Message ----- From: "h dean" <deanh61@hotmail.co.uk> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:04:23 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? Ok thanks Mel, I'll check Yorkshire BMD for my own Yorkshire relatives. Heather > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:07:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather > > No, probably not doing anything wrong. > > I have found that for many of my Yorkshire ancestors which were in the > Yeadon & Otley areas the GRO Index (FreeBMD) gives the registration district > - typically Wharfedale or Otley but the Yorkshire BMD indexes give me > Yeadon, Rawdon, etc which are the villages themselves. Perhaps for Kirkstall > they didn't break it down. > > Mel > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > Sent: October 24, 2010 6:32 AM > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. > > I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and > King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place > anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you > suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of > Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? > > Heather > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > Hi Heather: > > > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > > already. > > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > > does. > > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > > bothered with deed poll either. > > > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started > researching > > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its > an > > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > > King have the same occupation anyway. > > > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > > > thanks again > > > > Heather. > > > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely > the > > > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > > defraud > > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > > was > > > asked for until quite recent > > > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > > that > > > you know for King ? > > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is > from > > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > > family > > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > > there > > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > > born > > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely > to > > > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could you post a website for Yorkshire BMD's? ----- Original Message ---- From: h dean <deanh61@hotmail.co.uk> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, October 26, 2010 2:05:50 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? Oh for goodness sake what difference does it make? - everyone knows what I meant by christian name - and since the subject seemed to be finished anyway then I really dont see the point of you making your 'correction'. > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:31:07 +0000 > From: garymarian@comcast.net > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? > > Hi, > Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more accurate >term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is out of date in >today's expanded lexicon. > > Cheers, > Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "h dean" <deanh61@hotmail.co.uk> > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:04:23 AM > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > Ok thanks Mel, I'll check Yorkshire BMD for my own Yorkshire relatives. > > Heather > > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:07:09 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > Hi Heather > > > > No, probably not doing anything wrong. > > > > I have found that for many of my Yorkshire ancestors which were in the > > Yeadon & Otley areas the GRO Index (FreeBMD) gives the registration district > > - typically Wharfedale or Otley but the Yorkshire BMD indexes give me > > Yeadon, Rawdon, etc which are the villages themselves. Perhaps for Kirkstall > > they didn't break it down. > > > > Mel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > Sent: October 24, 2010 6:32 AM > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. > > > > I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and > > King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place > > anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you > > suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of > > Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? > > > > Heather > > > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi Heather: > > > > > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > > > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > > > already. > > > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > > > does. > > > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > > > > > Mel Smith > > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > > > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > > > bothered with deed poll either. > > > > > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started > > researching > > > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its > > an > > > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > > > King have the same occupation anyway. > > > > > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > > > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > > > > > thanks again > > > > > > Heather. > > > > > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely > > the > > > > > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > > > defraud > > > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > > > was > > > > asked for until quite recent > > > > > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > > > that > > > > you know for King ? > > > > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is > > from > > > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > > > family > > > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > > > there > > > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > > > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > > > born > > > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > > > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely > > to > > > > > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agreed. It may be out of date for some, but today's expanded lexicon is nothing to write home about. I like the historical record, and don't care to rewrite history. -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:53 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Given-Name Change? I don't see why , Christian name is what it is Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > Perhaps it's time to change the subject heading to a broader and more > accurate term, such as 'Given-name' instead of 'Christian name' which is > out of date in today's expanded lexicon. > Cheers, > Gary, (of Owlcotes West Riding descent) Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: welshhilda Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/7565.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Gray had a brother, Luke, who is my g.g.g.gfather. Are you able to get any further back with their father, William? Hilda. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RACattle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15668.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: very mant thanks rob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oddlass Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15669/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, my late father made large list of BDM's of Nortons in the Yorkshire area. it is on three spreadsheets. Anyone interested or can think of the best place to put this for others to search please contact me, Val Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BryanHoggarth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15667.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rob I'd say the best way to find out would be to look through the local newspapers. Unfortunatley though the 19th Cenury newspapers are available and searchable online through most local libraries this will not cover the time you are interested in. It may be a previous generation but there was a Richard CATTLE of Layerthorpe mentioned in the York Herald in the 1860s and 70s. Stealing bits of Holly Tree, Damage to a door, Ill treating his wife, being robbed of 37s by a prostitute in a brothel. Bryan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: keefed_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15653.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Greetings Brian, Yes, your information and suggestions helped immensely in putting things into perspective. I had now idea that those locations were so close to each other. I've since ordered a CD with old maps of Yorkshire. Some of them show what I would imagine to be wagon trails and hiking paths. It's very interesting when I use "Google Earth" to look up some of the locations and see what they look like today and try to imagine what the living conditions were like back then. Again, thanks for your input and if maybe I can be of any assistance to you in the future drop me a line at keefed@hughes.net. Cheers, Doug Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryoak Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15668.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi rob,thought this might of interest to you if you don't have this. marriage. richard cattle to ada wales sept 1896 district york vol.9d page 108. regards mary. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Pearsons from SKIPTON and later BRADFORD. RING ANY BELLS.CAROL.

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Ok thanks Mel, I'll check Yorkshire BMD for my own Yorkshire relatives. Heather > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:07:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather > > No, probably not doing anything wrong. > > I have found that for many of my Yorkshire ancestors which were in the > Yeadon & Otley areas the GRO Index (FreeBMD) gives the registration district > - typically Wharfedale or Otley but the Yorkshire BMD indexes give me > Yeadon, Rawdon, etc which are the villages themselves. Perhaps for Kirkstall > they didn't break it down. > > Mel > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > Sent: October 24, 2010 6:32 AM > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. > > I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and > King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place > anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you > suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of > Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? > > Heather > > > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > Hi Heather: > > > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > > already. > > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > > does. > > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > > bothered with deed poll either. > > > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started > researching > > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its > an > > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > > King have the same occupation anyway. > > > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > > > thanks again > > > > Heather. > > > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely > the > > > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > > defraud > > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > > was > > > asked for until quite recent > > > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > > that > > > you know for King ? > > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is > from > > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > > family > > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > > there > > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > > born > > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely > to > > > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eworld_2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15668.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I rather think that there will be a copy of the probate registers at your local probate office so that you can check if a will exists and then pay you money for a copy if it does. A phone call will probably provide the answer as to whether or not a particular office has a copy and an invitation to spend your money. Don't forget though that wills sometimes take years to go through probate in exceptional circumstances although it's probably usually within the year. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? Heather > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather: > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > already. > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > does. > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > bothered with deed poll either. > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started researching > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its an > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > King have the same occupation anyway. > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > thanks again > > Heather. > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > Hi Heather > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely the > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > defraud > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > was > > asked for until quite recent > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > that > > you know for King ? > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > family > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > there > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > born > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather No, probably not doing anything wrong. I have found that for many of my Yorkshire ancestors which were in the Yeadon & Otley areas the GRO Index (FreeBMD) gives the registration district - typically Wharfedale or Otley but the Yorkshire BMD indexes give me Yeadon, Rawdon, etc which are the villages themselves. Perhaps for Kirkstall they didn't break it down. Mel -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean Sent: October 24, 2010 6:32 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? Hi Mel, thanks for the reply. I found the birth index on FreeBMD yes. Actually the Robert from 1891 and King from the earlier censuses were both marked as being born the same place anyway so it wouldnt matter - but I did look up Yorkshire BMD as you suggested but couldnt see where it specified a village, just reg district of Kirkstall as on FreeBMD - am I doing something wrong? Heather > From: melvynsmith@gmail.com > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > Hi Heather: > > You don't say where you found the birth registration info. I am assuming > FreeBMD. You should cross reference with Yorkshire BMD if you haven't > already. > It will specify the village in each case but not the quarter as FreeBMD > does. > Confirming the village may add further confidence in your decision. > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of h dean > Sent: October 22, 2010 2:53 PM > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > Hi thanks Nivard I agree with what you say, I was interested to hear if > people thought the same as me - I dont think its likely that he would have > bothered with deed poll either. > > As for the marriage certificate, I dont know, I've just started researching > this family online tonight and its for someone else as a favour, but its an > interesting point, although the Thomas on the census with Robert and with > King have the same occupation anyway. > > I think since there is a birth but no suitable marriage or death for King > Harrison that I will take him to be Robert. > > thanks again > > Heather. > > > From: ovington1@sky.com > > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:15:02 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christian Name Change? > > > > Hi Heather > > > > There would be nothing to stop him using Robert as a forename (you can > > perhaps understand him not wanting to use King <g>) > > > > Although there were change of name by deed poll, it is highly unlikely the > > > average person would bother with the expense of it > > > > It has always been the case that as long as you are not doing it to > defraud > > or evade the law, you can call yourself whatever you want to > > > > If he gave Robert as his name, that is what would be recorded, no proof > was > > asked for until quite recent > > > > On the marriage certificate, does the fathers name and occupation match > that > > you know for King ? > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > I am researching a family called Harrison, the mother Elizabeth is from > > > Kirkstall and the father Thomas is from Masham. It's their son Robert > > > Harrison that is the cause of my query. > > > > > > Robert was born c1869 in Burley, Leeds. I believe I have found the > family > > > in Middlesbrough in 1891 (Burley mistranscribed as Baster). > > > > > > On trying to trace this family back, Robert isnt there although his > > > siblings are the same. In Roberts place however, born the same year > there > > > is a boy named King Harrison. > > > > > > I have found a birth in the index of King Harrison of the right year > > > (1869) in the district of Kirkstall - but no birth for Robert Harrison > > > sticks out (there is one in 1870 but there is another Robert Harrison > born > > > Leeds at that time). > > > > > > Is it likely that Robert changed his name from King to Robert? (on the > > > first census that has him as Robert he is 22). If so, is there likely to > > > > be any documentation of this? He married as Robert by the way. > > > > > > thanks for any help and opinions. > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, August 22, 1891; Issue 9302. A novel attempt was made on Monday to swim from Folkestone to Dover by Enoch TAYLOR, a professional swimmer, belonging to Yorkshire. TAYLOR had his hands and feet tied, and in this way attempted to accomplish a swim of six miles. He entered the water on the flood tide at eight o'clock, in the presence of a good number of spectators. He made slow progress for two miles, when he began to show signs of fatigue, and shortly afterwards was taken out of the water exhausted.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15668.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is no guarantee there were any probate documents of course but if there are you should see http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/index.htm Download the form and send with a five pound cheque to the address on the form NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RACattle Surnames: Cattle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15668/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Has anyone seen her probate documents or if not how does one get them?? Thanks Rob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.