I've stumbled upon a tree on Ancestry that lists my aunt and uncle plus ancestors on her branch which I did not have One ancestor on the tree - Hezekiah William SOWTER is listed as died in 1915 - lost at sea. No sources for this are given. I have searched both FreeBMD and the Yorkshire BMD for a death entry without results. His residence in 1901 was Sculcoates, Hull, Yorkshire and in the 1911 census he was visiting another family in Sculcoates and his occupation is given as Marine Engineer. I have found his marriage in 1913, the birth of a son in late 1913 and the remarriage of his widow in 1916 So the death entry would appear to be reasonably accurate and occupation and fact of being lost at sea could jibe. FindMyPast deaths at sea only go to 1890 Are there some other sources I can check (preferably online) that would confirm this death Thanks Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada

Or if you're an aussie, rain in Adelaide? :-) Sandra Hargreaves in Paynesville, Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Christmas >A pity someone couldn't have arranged for it to snow in Perth !!! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-yorkshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2010 6:02 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Good Wishes to all family history buffs (Maureenpontefhs) Hi Maureen, What a pearl and how true! Merry Christmas and a great New Year to you and yours & to everyone on the Yorkshire list. Whilst you are freezing in the snow, in Sunny Queensland all we have had is a deluge & storms with hailstones as big as tennis balls - and more to come. I think somehow we have missed out on Summer; despite that we will enjoy the Festive Season. Janet Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:35:03 -0500 From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Fwd: Good Wishes to all family history buffs To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CD6CE8A7ADAA90-1518-1197F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To Be Sung to the Tune of: GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN Good Wishes, family history buffs, Wherever you may be, It's time to close that pc down And raise a glass with me; We've done our best the whole year through Our ancestors to find: So lets drink to that ever-growing tree, (This round's on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. We know it's not an easy task To trace Great-uncle Jim, Who went to Burma, married thrice, And lived a life of sin; He ran off with the parson's daughter - She was number three - So let's drink to that ever-growing tree (This round's on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Alo-ysius Finkelbaum Is not a common name, You'd think he'd crop up somewhere But he's hiding just the same; Tried IGI, the Census, FRC and BMD - Hell, let's drink to that ever-growing tree, (Thish roundsh on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Tom Gadsden was a mariner - in 1691 He hopped the twig in Nevis After too long in the sun, But how to find his resting-place Will be the death of ME! Let's drink to that ever-growing tree, (Da de da dee) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Though brick walls may confound us And our eyes are growing dim, We'll never stop our searching For that one elusive limb - We're addicts and we're proud of it As anyone can see, So let's drink to that ever-growing tree - (Hic - no more for me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Many thanks to author John Cairns (whoever and wherever he may be) ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-YORKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-YORKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 *********************************************

Makes Melbourne and Sydney more interesting don't you think. Although it might have shut that basted trumpeter up! Where's Blowers? Updating my research names - Spence and Lambert in Ripon and Horsforth Seasons Greetings to all Jean > A pity someone couldn't have arranged for it to snow in Perth !!! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 20 Dec 2010 at 10:53, Jean Greenwood wrote: > Found this via Google > cheers > Jean in a minus 5 only Leeds > > > Australia swaps summer for Christmas snow > (AFP) – 3 hours ago > > Weather experts said it was not unusual for Australia to experience > chilly weather in eastern states in early December, as cold winds from > deep in the Southern Oceans sweep upwards. > > "It's not uncommon to get a dusting of snow along the higher peaks of > New South Wales and Victoria every couple of years (at this time)," > Bureau of Meteorology climatologist Grant Beard told AFP. > A pity someone couldn't have arranged for it to snow in Perth !!! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Found this via Google cheers Jean in a minus 5 only Leeds Australia swaps summer for Christmas snow (AFP) – 3 hours ago Weather experts said it was not unusual for Australia to experience chilly weather in eastern states in early December, as cold winds from deep in the Southern Oceans sweep upwards. "It's not uncommon to get a dusting of snow along the higher peaks of New South Wales and Victoria every couple of years (at this time)," Bureau of Meteorology climatologist Grant Beard told AFP. Gearon agreed, saying that in previous years, those on the Victorian snowfields had been "having cocktails in the sun one day and skiing the next". On 19 December 2010 22:33, Peter & Carole O'Neill <froaks@bigpond.com> wrote: > Whilst in Victoria Australia we have snow on the mountains. Perhaps the > history buffs can say when that last happened in an Australian summer, > Carole O'Neill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "janet burgess" <janetl3@bigpond.net.au> > To: <eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:16 PM > Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Christmas > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> eng-yorkshire-request@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2010 6:02 PM >> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>   1. Fwd: Good Wishes  to all family history buffs (Maureenpontefhs) >> Hi Maureen, >> >> What a pearl and how true! Merry Christmas and a great New Year to you and >> yours & to everyone on the Yorkshire list. Whilst you are freezing in the >> snow, in Sunny Queensland all we have had is a deluge & storms with >> hailstones as big as tennis balls - and more to come. I think somehow we >> have missed out on Summer; despite that we will enjoy the Festive Season. >> >> Janet Lee >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:35:03 -0500 >> From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> >> Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Fwd: Good Wishes  to all family history buffs >> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CD6CE8A7ADAA90-1518-1197F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To Be Sung to the Tune of: >> >> >> GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN >> >> >> Good Wishes, family history buffs, >> Wherever you may be, >> It's time to close that pc down >> And raise a glass with me; >> We've done our best the whole year through >> Our ancestors to find: >> So lets drink to that ever-growing tree, >> (This round's on me!) >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. >> >> We know it's not an easy task >> To trace Great-uncle Jim, >> Who went to Burma, married thrice, >> And lived a life of sin; >> He ran off with the parson's daughter - >> She was number three - >> So let's drink to that ever-growing tree >> (This round's on me!) >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. >> >> Alo-ysius Finkelbaum >> Is not a common name, >> You'd think he'd crop up somewhere >> But he's hiding just the same; >> Tried IGI, the Census, FRC and BMD - >> Hell, let's drink to that ever-growing tree, >> (Thish roundsh on me!) >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. >> >> Tom Gadsden was a mariner - in 1691 >> He hopped the twig in Nevis >> After too long in the sun, >> But how to find his resting-place >> Will be the death of ME! >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree, >> (Da de da dee) >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. >> >> Though brick walls may confound us >> And our eyes are growing dim, >> We'll never stop our searching >> For that one elusive limb - >> We're addicts and we're proud of it >> As anyone can see, >> So let's drink to that ever-growing tree - >> (Hic - no more for me!) >> Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. >> >> Many thanks to author John Cairns (whoever and wherever he may be) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-YORKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-YORKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-YORKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 >> ********************************************* >> >> >> >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Whilst in Victoria Australia we have snow on the mountains. Perhaps the history buffs can say when that last happened in an Australian summer, Carole O'Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: "janet burgess" <janetl3@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Christmas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > eng-yorkshire-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2010 6:02 PM > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: Good Wishes to all family history buffs (Maureenpontefhs) > Hi Maureen, > > What a pearl and how true! Merry Christmas and a great New Year to you and > yours & to everyone on the Yorkshire list. Whilst you are freezing in the > snow, in Sunny Queensland all we have had is a deluge & storms with > hailstones as big as tennis balls - and more to come. I think somehow we > have missed out on Summer; despite that we will enjoy the Festive Season. > > Janet Lee > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:35:03 -0500 > From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> > Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Fwd: Good Wishes to all family history buffs > To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CD6CE8A7ADAA90-1518-1197F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > > > To Be Sung to the Tune of: > > > GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN > > > Good Wishes, family history buffs, > Wherever you may be, > It's time to close that pc down > And raise a glass with me; > We've done our best the whole year through > Our ancestors to find: > So lets drink to that ever-growing tree, > (This round's on me!) > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. > > We know it's not an easy task > To trace Great-uncle Jim, > Who went to Burma, married thrice, > And lived a life of sin; > He ran off with the parson's daughter - > She was number three - > So let's drink to that ever-growing tree > (This round's on me!) > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. > > Alo-ysius Finkelbaum > Is not a common name, > You'd think he'd crop up somewhere > But he's hiding just the same; > Tried IGI, the Census, FRC and BMD - > Hell, let's drink to that ever-growing tree, > (Thish roundsh on me!) > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. > > Tom Gadsden was a mariner - in 1691 > He hopped the twig in Nevis > After too long in the sun, > But how to find his resting-place > Will be the death of ME! > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree, > (Da de da dee) > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. > > Though brick walls may confound us > And our eyes are growing dim, > We'll never stop our searching > For that one elusive limb - > We're addicts and we're proud of it > As anyone can see, > So let's drink to that ever-growing tree - > (Hic - no more for me!) > Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. > > Many thanks to author John Cairns (whoever and wherever he may be) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-YORKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-YORKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 336 > ********************************************* > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 19/12/2010 22:34:05 GMT Standard Time, froaks@bigpond.com writes: Whilst in Victoria Australia we have snow on the mountains. Perhaps the history buffs can say when that last happened in an Australian summer, Hi, Sorry I am not a history buff, but a temperature of minus 18 degrees centigrade last night in part of the UK. The winter here has been hellish for most people and a nightmare for the rest. The Post Office cannot deliver the Christmas Mail in time and Internet Companies are having their worst nightmare. However, don't worry I think you are about to get your share of rain. Perhaps a boat would make a good Christmas present. If this is Global Warming, something must have gone wrong because I have never been so cold in my living memory of 75 years. The Thames did freeze over in the 17th century and fairs were held on it. Anyway, 'Whatever the Weather we'll whether the weather, whether we like it or not. Have a good Christmas and a Happy New Year, JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

>From Oracle and Daily Advertiser ( London, England ), Wednesday, October 31, 1798; Issue 21806. BIRTHS. Lately, at his house, in York, the Lady of Hugh ROBINSON , Esq., of a daughter. Thursday last, at the Rev. Dr. FORD's, in Beverly, Mrs. TROLLOPE , of a son. MARRIED. Lately, at Pocklington, Mr. N. CHICKEN , of York, wine-merchant, to Miss HUDDLESTONE , of the former place. Monday se'nnight, at Doncaster, Mr. Joseph MANDELL , chymist, to Miss Elizabeth MANDALL , youngest daughter of Mr. MANDELL, of Doncaster.

To Be Sung to the Tune of: GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN Good Wishes, family history buffs, Wherever you may be, It's time to close that pc down And raise a glass with me; We've done our best the whole year through Our ancestors to find: So lets drink to that ever-growing tree, (This round's on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. We know it's not an easy task To trace Great-uncle Jim, Who went to Burma, married thrice, And lived a life of sin; He ran off with the parson's daughter - She was number three - So let's drink to that ever-growing tree (This round's on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Alo-ysius Finkelbaum Is not a common name, You'd think he'd crop up somewhere But he's hiding just the same; Tried IGI, the Census, FRC and BMD - Hell, let's drink to that ever-growing tree, (Thish roundsh on me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Tom Gadsden was a mariner - in 1691 He hopped the twig in Nevis After too long in the sun, But how to find his resting-place Will be the death of ME! Let's drink to that ever-growing tree, (Da de da dee) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Though brick walls may confound us And our eyes are growing dim, We'll never stop our searching For that one elusive limb - We're addicts and we're proud of it As anyone can see, So let's drink to that ever-growing tree - (Hic - no more for me!) Let's drink to that ever-growing tree. Many thanks to author John Cairns (whoever and wherever he may be)

Hello Gael Keep going back to the Family Search Pilot - they are beginning to add more records and some are there now for Yorkshire - they are the actual images but they are not indexed you have to search. If it's anything like what they have produced for Norfolk, it will be great. I'm really impressed by what I've found from searching the Norfolk images. Hilary -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gael Smart Sent: 11 December 2010 22:10 To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Online parish searching at Pickering Thanks for that Janice. I will check those out but when I did a search online so far most sites only seem to have a few Yorkshire Parishes and I am interested in the North-East, Pickering in particular in my search for my SALTONS. What I was really looking for was a site like Scotland's People where you can view everything, Scottish census records, wills and all the births deaths and marriage records that they have, including many other things. Doesn't England have any site like that yet? I see Find My Past is starting to load some Parish Registers online but I am not sure if they are indexes or if you can view the original records as you can on Scotland's People. There doesn't seem to be much there on Yorkshire. Gael Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Janice. I will check those out but when I did a search online so far most sites only seem to have a few Yorkshire Parishes and I am interested in the North-East, Pickering in particular in my search for my SALTONS. What I was really looking for was a site like Scotland's People where you can view everything, Scottish census records, wills and all the births deaths and marriage records that they have, including many other things. Doesn't England have any site like that yet? I see Find My Past is starting to load some Parish Registers online but I am not sure if they are indexes or if you can view the original records as you can on Scotland's People. There doesn't seem to be much there on Yorkshire. Gael

Hi folks, Our LDS church closes down over our summer period and I am wondering if someone knows a online search site that has old Yorkshire Parish records. I am interested in York and Pickering in particular. Kind Regards Gael

Hi Gael www.yorkshireancestors.com has some Pickering baptisms on CD. www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org (Ryedale Family History Group) has some Pickering burials and monumental inscriptions from Pickering Cemetery on CDs www.eyfhs.org.uk/ (East Yorkshire Family History Society) has monumental inscriptions from the parish church at Pickering. www.yorkshireparishregisters.com (Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Parish Register Section) has various parish register transcripts in books, on microfiche and on CD   Regards, Janice Wood

Hi Roy & Jean, Thank you for your kind help. I do have the marriage certificate for EMILY JANE SPENCE & ROBERT FOSTER , dated 8-10-1875, EMILY is aged 18, and this gives her birth year of 1857, this is the same birth year that is stated on all the census records that I have found relating to her, I cannot find her on the B.M.D. index for 1857, the only one close was for EMILY LUCY SPENCE, so I thought (wrongly) that she may have been entered wrong. On the marriage certificate it states that her father was JAMES SPENCE a Watchmaker. I have just spoken to a elderly member of the family and she told me that EMILY was born Illegitimate, the result of EMILY,S mother who was working in service and the owner of the house where she worked, the house was HOLLITON or HOLLERTON HALL, I have no idea where that is. Regards, syd ,

On 9 Dec 2010 at 11:48, Syd Hockey wrote: > I am looking for information on EMILY LUCY SPENCE b. 1857 at > KNARESBOROUGH, I am trying to find the names of her parents and any > siblings, > I know that she married ROBERT FOSTER 1875 at YORK, and later settled > in LONDON, when she married ROBERT her name was entered as EMILY JANE > SPENCE, If there is any other person researching the SPENCE family or > can help me in any way would you kindly get in touch, thank you. > Regards, > Syd > While I see the birth of an Emily Lucy Spence at Knaresborough in the Sep quarter of 1857 (FreeBMD) there doesn't seem to be a match in either the 1861 or 1871 censuses. The only match for a marriage of Emily Lucy Spence is at Bradford in 1909, so that seems unlikely to have been her. However, there IS an Emily Jane Spence, born Knaresborough circa 1854 in both censuses, daughter of William and Mary Ann Spence, in both censuses living at Kirkgate, Knaresborough and father William being a butcher's master. FreeBMD has the birth of an Emily Jane Spence at Knaresborough in the Sep quarter of 1853. There's also an Emily Jane Spence who married in London City in the June quarter of 1887 and another who married at Knaresborough in the Dec quarter of 1888. The Emily Jane, daughter of William and Mary Ann, was still unmarried in the 1881 census, so she's probably the one who married in 1888. I am wondering if you've got the wrong woman who married Robert Foster! Do you have the marriage certificate? If so, that must presumably show her father. If not, how can you be certain it was your Emily Lucy Spence who married in 1875 in the name of Emily Jane? I can't find an Emily Foster married to a Robert Foster in 1881. There is an Emily J Foster, born 1857, wife of Robert (both hawkers), at Camberwell in 1891 but her birthplace is given as Narford, Sussex. I wonder if you are confused, Syd? A little more information as to what else you know would help. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Syd I was a Spence but my family originated in Ripon and Grewelthorpe. There are 2 Emily Spence born Knaresborough 1. Emily Jane reg Sep 1853 9a 91 dau of William and Mary Ann - William a butcher. This is probably the bride of Robert Foster. 2. Emily Lucy reg Sep 1857 9a 100 I have not been able to find her on census [Ancestry] - nor any death nor marr registered [FreeBMD] If you are certain it is Emily Lucy you want then her BC would give parents etc. If Emily Jane then I have further info. Regards Jean On 9 December 2010 11:48, Syd Hockey <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > I am looking for information on EMILY LUCY SPENCE b. 1857 at KNARESBOROUGH, I am trying to find the names of her parents and any siblings, >  I know that she married ROBERT FOSTER 1875 at YORK, and later settled in LONDON, when she married ROBERT her name was entered as EMILY JANE SPENCE, If there is any other person researching the SPENCE family or can help me in any way would you kindly get in touch, thank you. >                    Regards, >                           Syd > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information on EMILY LUCY SPENCE b. 1857 at KNARESBOROUGH, I am trying to find the names of her parents and any siblings, I know that she married ROBERT FOSTER 1875 at YORK, and later settled in LONDON, when she married ROBERT her name was entered as EMILY JANE SPENCE, If there is any other person researching the SPENCE family or can help me in any way would you kindly get in touch, thank you. Regards, Syd

Hello Everybody, I am looking for any information on the following children of JOHN & EVA (nee Abbey) FOSTER: ELIZABETH b. 1880. ARTHUR b. 1882. EMMA b. 1886. JAMES b.1887. ROBERT b. 1893. ANNIE b. 1894. CARRIE b. 1896. Tom (Thomas) b. 1899. all born KNARESBOUGH. That is all I have on these children, If there is any other person researching this family or can help with any information would they kindly get in touch, thank you. Regards, Syd

While trawling the 19th Century British Library Newspapers website, I came across the following fascinating news item. This is from a Blackburn, Lancashire, local newspaper but the story refers to Halifax. >From the Weekly Standard and Express, Blackburn, Saturday, November 26 1898..... POLICEMEN AND FOOTBALL "The question as to whether policemen shall be allowed to take part in football matches is likely to come shortly before the Watch Committees of the various towns in the West Riding. For the last two or three years a section of the Halifax Police Force have chafed under the rule forbidding them to play football, and deputations have several times interviewed the Watch Committee with a view to getting the law altered, but in vain. A special meeting of the Watch Committee has been held to discuss the question. The position taken up by a majority of the committee is that whilst cheerfully acquiescing in the members of the force taking part in cricket, yet as regards football, it is a much more violent game, and the liability to injury is such that it would not be fair either to the superannuation fund or the ratepayers to allow policemen to take part in matches. The subject is postponed, however, until the Town Clerk has ascertained the views of Watch Committees in others towns on the subject." So what present-day columnists like Richard Littlejohn in the Daily Mail refer to as "Elf 'n' Safety madness" is not a modern problem. It was extant in 1898. Either that or football was a much more violent game in 1898 than it is today! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE