This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kdlongst1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14717/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on his parents and/or siblings Thomas Allison B. 16 mar 1810 Paul Allison 19 Aug 1984 wrote " As I recall, the information I have came from a conversation I had with my father, Thoedore. He gave me the impression his father, Thomas Allison, was from Sheffield, (Eng.) or departed from there. Upon reaching the states he worked on the Erie Canal. Thomas was supposed to have had a sister in Indiana and started west to find her, but never accomplished it He married Phoebe Ann Gifford in 1838 and had 11 children before passing away in 1888 in ridgeway, lenawee, michigan 2 other posts that I found on ancestry.com are as followes Classification: Query Surnames: Allison, Smith, Dean, Bonnell I'm also reseaching Thomas Allison family. (He is Maude Esther's brother.) Maude is my ggrandmother. Their parents William Smith and Esther J Allison. I would like to share info. Please e-mail @ diellswortth@sbcglobal.net thanks.. Classification: Query Surnames: ALLISON, SMITH, DEAN I'm related to Esther Allison and William Smith. Their dau Maude Esther Smith is my ggrandmother. They lived in Lapeer County, MI. I Think Wm father's was a ship builder in New Brunswick, Canada. I would appreciate any help on this line. I have tried to contact this person and her email is no longer working. Any help would sure be appreciated. I can be contacted at jllongst@qwest.net thank you Jenna Longstreet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gayle946 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14716/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for information on Robert William Tranmer born May 5, 1811 in Langtoft, Yorkshire, England where he met and married in 1840 Miss Ann Shaw who was born Jan. 28, 1817. In 1856 they and their children emmigrated to America where they settled in Scott Co., Iowa, later removing to Burt Co., Nebraska, where both died. Can anyone provide background this couple? Thanks in advance G. Gardner USA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If any of you are using BLUEBOTTLE.COM, please note that I do not believe in sending in my email address to some entity that will confirm that I am not a spam outfit and be classified as an "allowed" email address. This applies to both my personal and YKS surnames list mail. Bluebottle is just one of the ISPs that insist on this. I have received a couple of emails from bluebottle subscribers, so if you wish to submit a surname, you will have to use a different email address. Do not insist, as it is a matter of principle. Thank you everyone for paying attention to this. Regards, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator YORKSHIRE SURNAMES LIST http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ For all correspondence please use: ykssurnames@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jas9wil Surnames: Kearton Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/5706.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Kearton in my tree. All born Muker North Yorkshire. Cherry Kearton c1793 Cherry Kearton c1830 Mary Kearton c1838 whose son married into my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, There were quite a few email address changes this week, so if one of your regular contacts bounces, check first with the YKS database. There were, unfortunately, two deletions because the submitters' emails bounced: Kelvin Rhodes (1) kimdaren@dezzanet.net.au Chris Barker (1) chris@mcbarker.fsnet.co.uk In all, 49 new surnames were submitted this week, as follows: BARNES, BELL, BENTLEY, BLACKAH, BRAMMER BRANSBY, BUCKTIN CLEGG DAVISON, DAWSON, DUNWELL EMMERSON FEARNEY, FOULDS GRAHAM, GRANT, GREY/GRAY HEAD, HEATHCOTE/HEATHCOAT, HEBDEN, HIRST, HOPWOOD HUMPHREYS JACKSON, JOHNSON LANCASTER, LONG MITCHELL PILMOOR/PILMORE/PILLMORE/PILMER, PRICE ROLFE SAMPSON, SETTER(S), SHARP, SHORT, SMITH STOCKHILL, STUBBS TEAL, THOMSON, TIPPLE, TODD WATSON, WEBSTER, WHEATLEY, WILSON, WOOD(2) WRIGHT Best wishes to everyone, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator YORKSHIRE SURNAMES LIST http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ For all correspondence please use: ykssurnames@yahoo.com

Hi Andrea, The entry is White Horse Inn, not House. Hope this helps Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Dean" <andrea.dean@gmail.com> To: <ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [YORKSHIRE] "White House Inn" in Hipperholme - JACKMAN family > Dear all, > > I am new to this list as I have just discovered that a branch of my > family is from Yorkshire (Halifax area). > > On the 1861 census I see the widow Elizabeth JACKMAN as Inn Keeper of > the White House Inn, Bramley Lane, Hipperholme. Despite extensive > googling I cannot find any more information on this Inn. > > In case anybody out there has any more information or hints where I > could find it (for some areas there are lists of historic pubs), I > would be happy to hear from you. > > Thanks and regards, > > Andrea > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 28/04/2007 > 15:32 > >

Dear all, I am new to this list as I have just discovered that a branch of my family is from Yorkshire (Halifax area). On the 1861 census I see the widow Elizabeth JACKMAN as Inn Keeper of the White House Inn, Bramley Lane, Hipperholme. Despite extensive googling I cannot find any more information on this Inn. In case anybody out there has any more information or hints where I could find it (for some areas there are lists of historic pubs), I would be happy to hear from you. Thanks and regards, Andrea

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Kaysie49 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/437.67.485/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a William WELLS in my family tree, who was born c1855. There is a family "rumour" that he may have been born in NZ. But at some time he emigrated to NSW Australia, and married Bridget KEYS in 1875. Do you know if William and Fanny had a son, William among their huge brood of 15? I am waiting on a copy of William and Bridget's marriage certificate. If it confirms he was born in NZ, I'll try and let you know. Regards Kay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pauladavenport668 Surnames: nunnally Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/639.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi bill, my name is paula nunnally davenport. my 9nth great-grand-father richard was born 1615 in england. he migrated to va. his son richard b.-1640 in prince edward co., va. his son thomas b.1670 va. his son thomas b.-1695 va. his son peter b.-1723 va. his son peter b.1745 va. his som peter III b.1768 va. his son william my great-grand-father b.1813 in prince edward co.,va. he married melissa mary roberts abt. 1840 who was from so. carolina. children of william and melissa were -lugena b.1841 so. carolina -granville lujene b.-1843 so. carolina - the fam. then relocated to calhoun co., ala. where the following were born. juliann b.-abt.1846 john landrum b. 1847 -roxanna b.abt. 1849 -william g. b. -abt. 1851 my grand-father manson was b. 1853. now getting to the present: my grandfathers 1st wife was nancy a. foster- 2nd wife was mattie v. smith who would have been my grandmother. manson and mattie had 8 children as follows: sarah eugena b.09 aug.,1855 carrie ada b. apr. 1887 pearl a. b.oct. 1888 my father- carl leroy -b. 29 oct.1894 clara r. b.-13 sept 1896 william powell b. 14 sept.1903 manson b. may 1890 died at birth ernest de witt b.14 oct 1897 died at birth all of these were born in ala. and have all since passed away. i was b.sept 2, 1950 paula louise nunnelly, my dad changed the spelling, as you will see alot of that as you go along. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi David Thanks for the info - I've been rummagin around on that site all night and now it's Saturday!!! Excellent. Cheers, Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Keal Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 6:34 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Hi Marcelle, Have you checked out "The History of Australian Theatre" website? You will find it at www.hat-archive.com It is a site that was originally designed as a genealogical resource and contains a database of names associated with Australian Theatre. It generally seems to cover from about 1870's through to 1950's. Not sure if it will have your lot on there, but certainly could be worth a try. Also good for anyone who has theatrical connections in Australia. Regards David -------Original Message------- From: mvs Date: 27/04/07 12:35:15 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names And the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g Grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had Black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however So perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was Torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we Find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start Looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in A haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people They Could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds Possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for Using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife Presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named One of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this Possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, And that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Hi Marcelle, Have you checked out "The History of Australian Theatre" website? You will find it at www.hat-archive.com It is a site that was originally designed as a genealogical resource and contains a database of names associated with Australian Theatre. It generally seems to cover from about 1870's through to 1950's. Not sure if it will have your lot on there, but certainly could be worth a try. Also good for anyone who has theatrical connections in Australia. Regards David -------Original Message------- From: mvs Date: 27/04/07 12:35:15 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names And the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g Grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had Black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however So perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was Torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we Find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start Looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in A haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people They Could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds Possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for Using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife Presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named One of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this Possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, And that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YW! Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:52 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Yvonne, what a handy site. Marcelle in WA -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 1:16 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Marcelle, Not sure where you might the records you are after, but have you had a look at Cora's site, with lots of links for Australia? http://www.coraweb.com.au/ Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 11:34 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names and the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however so perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in a haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people they could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named one of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." 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Marcelle, Not sure where you might the records you are after, but have you had a look at Cora's site, with lots of links for Australia? http://www.coraweb.com.au/ Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 11:34 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names and the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however so perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in a haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people they could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named one of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2222 (20070426) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Yvonne, what a handy site. Marcelle in WA -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 1:16 PM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Marcelle, Not sure where you might the records you are after, but have you had a look at Cora's site, with lots of links for Australia? http://www.coraweb.com.au/ Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvs Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 11:34 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names and the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however so perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in a haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people they could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named one of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." 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Thanks Roy, yes I have considered the possibility of the assumed names and the fact that they could have been Romany gypsies but my g grandmother certainly didn't look like one although her daughter had black hair & blue eyes. These traits have not been carried down however so perhaps Charles was the culprit! The only photo of Charles Coles was torn up by my mother (grrrrr) on purpose so we'll never know unless we find long-lost ancestors! Have you any clues as to where I would start looking for show people or whatever in Australia? Or is it a 'needle in a haystack' situation. Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. Cheers Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 2:04 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who > are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and > that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in > Stockton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on > which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put > his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st > Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with > the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we > knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st > Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother > listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages > varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any > trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - > nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam > Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter > Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles > (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a > travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second > marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn.> Have you considered the possibility that if they were showbiz people they could have worked and travelled under other names? It also sounds possible to me that they were Romany gypsies, who are well known for using different aliases. Charles being a showman and the wife presumably a crystal-ball-gazing medium, plus the fact that they named one of their daughters Nellie Romany, would seem to point to this possibility. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM

Thank you Vicky for your considerate reply. I'll start looking. Lisa> From: VicShuttle@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:18:33 -0400> To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] FIRTH's of Cowling or Keighley (Lisa Warnes)> > Dear Lisa, Sorry but I have not had any luck finding Hannah FIRTH or family > before she was married in 1852 to John SHUTTLEWORTH. Since she named a son > Arthur, it's very possible she had a brother by that name. She was born about > 1830 though so that is a stretch to have a nephew born in 1896. Have you checked > Ships Lists at ellisisland.org or Rootsweb? You miight get more information on > their English location roots. Vicky Shuttleworth (Bensons, Firths, > Shuttleworths of Cowling and Keighley)> > > **************************************> See what's > free at http://www.aol.com.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us

Hello Wendy Most of my info is from word-of-mouth from older family members who are no longer! I was told Charles Coles' father was also Charles and that his mother was Ellen Cohan and that he was born in Stockoton-on-Tees on 9 November 1876. I have his Death Certificate on which it states he died at the age of 58 on 2/2/1828 which would put his birth year at 1870. I have a Birth Certificate for Charles' 1st Child Nellie Romany Coles born in Queensland on 4 October 1900 with the mother listed as Nellie Watson. She was my g grandmother but we knew her as Millicent Cecilia Drury. Their 2nd child, Nellie (the 1st Nellie died in 1901) born in Bendigo in 1901 has my g grandmother listed as Ellen Ruth Druary. On these births Charles Coles has ages varying from 28 to 42 in the space of 2-3 years! I cannot find any trace of him, his parents, her parents, any marriages, divorces - nothing. The only other thing I found from back then was a Memoriam Notice in the Bendigo Times in 1908 in memory of their infant daughter Nellie Romany from her grieving parents Mr & Mrs Charles Coles (professionally known as Madame Lee)!!!! He is listed as a showman, a travelling optician and a theatrical agent. He went on to a second marriage and when he died in 1928 he was living in Culcairn. What an elusive pair. If they were alive I'd strangle them!! Only joking. If you find anything about this person you be deserving of the Victoria Cross, Good Conduct Medal and a gold star!!!! Thanks for any help at all, Marcelle in WA -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 12:52 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] COLES/COHAN Hi Marcelle, If you were to tell us what documents you got your Charles COLES age and parents from, it may help us to track him down. What makes you think he was born in Stockton-on-Tees, Yorkshire? Did he come to Western Australia? Where and when and at what age did he die? All this information will help. Cheers Wendy Perth, West Aust mvs wrote: >Hi there > >I'm trying to track down my Great Grandfather Charles Coles born (I >think) in Stockton-on-Tees Yorkshire about 1870-1876. > >His parents are listed in his documents as Ellen COHAN & Charles COLES >but I can find no trace of any such family. > >Any help would be so appreciated. > >Many thanks, Marcelle in Western Australia > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 >12:19 PM > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM

Hi Marcelle, If you were to tell us what documents you got your Charles COLES age and parents from, it may help us to track him down. What makes you think he was born in Stockton-on-Tees, Yorkshire? Did he come to Western Australia? Where and when and at what age did he die? All this information will help. Cheers Wendy Perth, West Aust mvs wrote: >Hi there > >I'm trying to track down my Great Grandfather Charles Coles born (I >think) in Stockton-on-Tees Yorkshire about 1870-1876. > >His parents are listed in his documents as Ellen COHAN & Charles COLES >but I can find no trace of any such family. > >Any help would be so appreciated. > >Many thanks, Marcelle in Western Australia > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 >12:19 PM > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi there I'm trying to track down my Great Grandfather Charles Coles born (I think) in Stockton-on-Tees Yorkshire about 1870-1876. His parents are listed in his documents as Ellen COHAN & Charles COLES but I can find no trace of any such family. Any help would be so appreciated. Many thanks, Marcelle in Western Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM

Paul, Could you look up the church records for the following please???? My g gpa Charles Pearce Sylvester SMITH b29Jul1830 at Kingston - maybe Kingston-on-Hull. There was a Charles Pears SMITH on IGI b~1831 son of William SMITH & Mary PEARS. Their other kids were: John b 1821 Leeds William b 1823 Leeds Thomas b 2Nov1825 Leeds Richard b 2Aug1829 Kingston-on-Hull John Pears b 1830 Kingston-on-Hull William Pears b 1834 Kingston-on-Hull John b 1837 O & Charles Pears b~1831 Kingston-on-Hull Well I thought I'd found the right one till LDS snaffled them & took them to USA. <sigh> Kingston-on-Hull was I think St Mary's. Maybe the church records will give his whole birthdate. My Charles was a Master Mariner who married & settled in Sydney, NSW. Thanks Paul. Cheers. Anne from warm, dry Cairns, Aus, the best place to be. > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: paulharrison57 > Surnames: Botterill, Douthwaite > Classification: lookup > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14715 > /mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > If anybody is interested I have pulled all the information from the > Parish Records at Malton Yorkshire 1782 to 1862 for the names Botterill > and Douthwaite. If anybody is researching these names from Malton please > get in touch and I will send you a spreadsheet with all the information. > I have Baptism's Marriages and Burials. > > since I have access to the public Libary at Leeds if anybody would like > me to check the parish records for any research please let me know. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message