From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Thank you Roy - as usual you impart your wisdom with the subtlety of a > battering ram. Some people are still learning so perhaps can be > forgiven for asking questions, the answers to which you may think > should be known or obvious. Most appreciated! > > Cheers from Marcelle in Western Australia > > From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > > > Would someone mind looking up the records for: > > > > Nellie WATSON > > b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter > > District: STOCKTON > > County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. > > > > I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give > > parents names - which is what I'm wanting.> > > Well, of course it doesn't give the parents' names because what you > are quoting is merely the INDEX to her birth registration. To get the > full details you will have to buy the birth certificate, which will > cost you 7 pounds from the GRO. That's how the system works and what > the rest of us would have to do. > > The alternative is to find her in the 1891 census and see who her > parents were. However, I suspect there is likely to have been more > than one Nellie Watson in the Stockton RD. > I was simply explaining to you that the GRO Birth Indexes do not give the full information about a birth or a child's parentage. If they did they wouldn't be an index and you wouldn't have to buy the certificate, but then the GRO wouldn't get 7 pounds out of you, would they? You could also buy the certificate from the local register office, but it wouldn't be much use citing the GRO reference if you do it that way because the local offices use a different referencing system and the two are not related. So many beginners seem not to understand what an index is in family history, so perhaps I should spell it out. Birth, marriage and death indexes (some might use the term, indices) are merely pointers to where the original information can be found - in this case the certificates that give the full details. It is free to inspect the indexes but if you want the full information you have to buy the certificate, simple as that. Think of it like an index at the back of a book, where you find a name and then have to turn to the appropriate page to get the full information. We are promised by the GRO that when they eventually get round to digitising all their records, the birth indexes will include the mother's maiden name right back to the start in 1837, also the surnames of spouses in the marriage indexes. This is one of the things the UK genealogical community has asked for and which they have promised, but I will believe it when I see it! BTW, I trust you are not confused about the make-up of the Stockton Registration District at the time you are interested in - the header on your post slightly suggests you might be. Stockton is in Co Durham but some of the RD spanned the borders of the North Riding of Yorkshire and parts of it are in the NR. The way to discover exactly what parishes etc lay in any given RD is to click on the name of the district underlined in blue at FreeBMD. This takes you to another page which says "The district Stockton spans the boundaries of the counties of Co Durham and North Riding of Yorkshire; information about it can be found here." "Here" is another underlined link and clicking on it takes you to the relevant page on the GENUKI website which gives a complete list of every place that lay within the Stockton RD. You will see from the right-hand column that the district has been much altered over the years. It is very important to know which parishes, villages, etc lay within the RD because these are valuable in linking families to the census. There is no way of telling from the birth indexes alone which part of Stockton RD your Nellie Watson was born in. She might, for instance, have been born at Hartlepool which is in Co Durham or Middlesbrough which is in Yorkshire NR. If you scan down the list you will see there were almost 70 places within Stockton RD. I hope you find this helpful - it is meant to be. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RichardDimery20 Surnames: Butterfield, Dodsworth. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14758/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi all, Am trying to find the parents of a Thomas Butterfied born circa 1705 Thoralby Yorks and an Alice Dodsworth born circa 1705 Thoralby Yorks. We know that they got married in Aysgarth on 1st May 1727 but have been unable to find any more info on them. Any help gratfully received Richard Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you Roy - as usual you impart your wisdom with the subtlety of a battering ram. Some people are still learning so perhaps can be forgiven for asking questions, the answers to which you may think should be known or obvious. Most appreciated! Cheers from Marcelle in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yorkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 3:16 AM To: ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] WATSON From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Would someone mind looking up the records for: > > Nellie WATSON > b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter > District: STOCKTON > County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. > > I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give > parents names - which is what I'm wanting.> Well, of course it doesn't give the parents' names because what you are quoting is merely the INDEX to her birth registration. To get the full details you will have to buy the birth certificate, which will cost you 7 pounds from the GRO. That's how the system works and what the rest of us would have to do. The alternative is to find her in the 1891 census and see who her parents were. However, I suspect there is likely to have been more than one Nellie Watson in the Stockton RD. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM

Hello Marcelle. I had a look for your Nellie Watson born c. 1882 Co. Durham in the 1891 census. There were two possibles. One born c. 1884 West Hartlepool was living at Stranton with parents William and Jane and lots of siblings. The parents were from Scotland. The other born c. 1880 Trimdon was a pupil in a school for "ladies" at Marske Yorkshire. There was also a Nellie Edith Watson born c. 1884 living at Stanhope but she was born in America. Hope this helps. If you would like further details of the census entries please let me know. Cheers, Fee, Bristol ----- Original Message ----- From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> To: <ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: [YORKSHIRE] WATSON > Hi > > Would someone mind looking up the records for: > > Nellie WATSON > b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter > District: STOCKTON > County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. > > I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give parents > names - which is what I'm wanting. > > I'm just hoping this is the girl I'm looking for. > > Thanks > > Marcelle in Western Australia > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: > 6/15/2007 11:31 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: martin1766 Surnames: Chapman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/964.1223/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Marcia, I know this is a long time after your original post. I have a similar chapman- robinson link to you. My link comes from Elizabeth Cage , who married a Robert Robinson was widowed and married John Thomas Chapman, who had Florence (My Grandmother) , Frederick and George as children according to my research. I have Elizabeth Cage born in 1851 though in Kings Lynn. I suspect they may be the same people and I may have the details slightly wrong- I do remember being a bit puzzled about something when I was following this thread, so I would be happy to hear from you and see if we can make a link. Martin Clowes Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > Would someone mind looking up the records for: > > Nellie WATSON > b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter > District: STOCKTON > County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. > > I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give > parents names - which is what I'm wanting.> Well, of course it doesn't give the parents' names because what you are quoting is merely the INDEX to her birth registration. To get the full details you will have to buy the birth certificate, which will cost you 7 pounds from the GRO. That's how the system works and what the rest of us would have to do. The alternative is to find her in the 1891 census and see who her parents were. However, I suspect there is likely to have been more than one Nellie Watson in the Stockton RD. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc- > > thanks thats the right area as you know but i myself know very little > about my family as i am an only child and my mum never spoke abot > family > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL > link above and respond on the board.> Well, why don't you take my advice, buy yourself or borrow a book on how to trace your family tree and do it properly? Simply asking others to do it for you is not going to win you any friends, nor will you actually learn anything at all, like how it's done. Start at the beginning and learn the basics. Get your own birth certificate, if you haven't got it, then get your parents' marriage certificate, then their birth certificates and then your grandparents' marriage and birth certificates. This is how we all started and how you must do it as well. Just asking questions here and expecting somebody to do it all for you and handing you your family history all neatly tied up with pink ribbon is simply wasting your time and ours. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: philkuehn1467 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/4921.4.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thankyou. It appears as though the Armitage had thier beginnings in Yorkshire. There were so many. Phil Kuehn pkuehn@mich.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maiomai Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/4921.4.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Armitage was purportedly born 1788 in Lancashire England, possibly in Yorkshire. She and her husband sailed to the United States on 18 Feb 1850 with family. Arrived New Orleans 18 April 1850. While traveling up the Mississippi River that month, she died. She was 62 years old. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks to all those who gave some input about this. Guess really we will never know how it was done though Thanks again Chris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wirraway Surnames: Iveson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/4922.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: HI Thanks for the reply. I have that listed - William Iveson m (19 Dec 1835 Billingham) MAry brown. Probably the William Dixon Iveson b 30 Apr 1806 c 6 May 1806 Auckland St Andrew, s/o Thomas Iveson (mar (25 Sep 1797 Billingham) Jane Dickson). I think Thomas had been married earlier (8 Jul 1787 Merrington) to Margaret Shaw but not certain about that. Like most folk tracing their history, I have a 'general collection" of events for families of iterest - in my case, around durham - trying to sort out where my line goes. I am interested in Thomas because he is probably a son (c 25 Nov 1765) of John Iveson of Merrington, and I know my ancestor Joseph was listed as "native of Merrington" and could have been another of John's sons. PLs contact me directly gclark@bigpond.net.au and perhaps we could share the info. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geoffwatsone Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/4922.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi! We have a direct line William IVESON born c1808 in Bishop Auckland in Durham, who married a Mary BROWN around the early 1830's, and produced at least nine children, if that is of interest? If so, let me know and perhaps we can exchange info..... Regards from a wet (today anyway) Sevilla! Geoff Watson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wirraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/4922.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi-not sure if you are still researching Ivesons of n Yorkshire. Thought i'd mention a Daniel Oyston (Iveson) who married Margaret Guddas/Crudas 17 Jul 1792 in Hilton YKS> I have more info if interested. Iam looking for Ivesons around the Auckland area in Durham graham clark gclark@bigpond.net.au Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Would someone mind looking up the records for: Nellie WATSON b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter District: STOCKTON County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give parents names - which is what I'm wanting. I'm just hoping this is the girl I'm looking for. Thanks Marcelle in Western Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM

The enumerator might've gone back to the family with someone who could communicate with them. He would know who was close to who could do this. Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > > Hi Chris > > The enumerator would leave a form with the householder to be filled in > and > collected later, if the householder could not fill in the details > required, > they might ask a younger member of the family or perhaps a neighbour or > friend > > Failing that the enumerator would probably help them to complete it when > he > collected it > > No doubt sign language of a sort played its part in the process, > necessity > is the mother of invention I believe > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hi Everyone > > I have been pondering on this for some time > > and wondered what the answer may be. > > 1. My gtgrandparents were both deaf and dumb from birth > > 2. The marriage cert shows they signed X their mark > > 3.In 1881 they are together (in Saddleworth )and a small baby in > house, no > > relatives near by. > > 4.How did they give details for the census?????????????????? > > 5. Did they have people who could "sign" to them ??????? > > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YORKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RichardDimery20 Surnames: Robinson, Howe. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14755/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi all, Am looking for the parents of an Elizabeth Robinson born Skelton, Yorkshire 1813. We know that she married a George Howe in Durham in Jan 1834 and that she died in Durham in 1883. Would be gratful if someone could find a birth record for her as have been unable to do so and she was my wifes 4th great grandmother. Thanks in advance Richard Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Marcelle, The only way you can find the parents for sure is to send for the certificate. Ancestry only have an index. I have checked in the 1891 and 1901 censuses but there is not a matching Nellie born Darlington, Sorry Anne On 16 Jun 2007, at 06:21, mvs wrote: > Hi > > Would someone mind looking up the records for: > > Nellie WATSON > b: About 1882 in the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter > District: STOCKTON > County: DURHAM, Yorkshire, North Riding in Vol 10a on Page 65. > > I was able to get the info from Ancestry.com but it doesn't give > parents > names - which is what I'm wanting. > > I'm just hoping this is the girl I'm looking for. > > Thanks > > Marcelle in Western Australia

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