Dear Elaine,  Thank you SO MUCH for trying to help with Thomas Donovan. He is truly a mystery, along with his sister and brother, Catherine and John. >From census, I know where they were born, but the only one I can find a birth certificate for is my grandmother, the younger sister, Ann Donovan b. 1862. I am in touch with a descendant of Thomas and she has had no luck either.   I had the same thought as you...could it be an earlier marriage?  However, the children are together on the 1861 census in Scotland, Catleton, Roxburgshire with James and Margaret.  Thomas is 8, John 4, Catherine 2. Then in 1862, they are in High Ireby, Cumbria, where my grandmother was born.   In the 1850's, they were obviously between Sheffield, Yorkshire and Hartlepool, Durham.  In 1871, they were all in Wigton (where the parents eventually died). Thomas was 18, John 15, Catherine 12 and Hannah (Ann, my grandmother) 8.   They moved around a lot as a family, probably for work, so maybe never got around to registering the births.  I cannot think of any other reason.   also, I cannot find James and Margaret on an 1851 census or 1841 census, so maybe they were still in Ireland.  I cannot find a marriage for them either, except one for a 1938 marriage in the South of England where they both give their surname as DONOVAN, but that could be a mistake on Margaret's part if she could not read or write.   Thank you again for your help. Rene/USA ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:01:58 -0400 From: "Elaine Pickard" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Thomas Donovan b. Sheffield, 1853 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Hi Rene, I was just looking at your query and noticed two things..... You state that Thomas was born in Sheffield in 1853........I have checked two different sources that I have and he wasn't registered there......but that doesn't mean he couldn't have been born there... Margaret is 53 years old on the 1871 census. I wonder if its possible she had been married before and that Thomas is from her first marriage???? There is a Castleton in Derbyshire not far from Sheffield. That's what had caught my eye I was hoping to see the child on the '71 census to see if it was from Scotland.... Not there so I couldn't check it out.... Elaine in Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: August 31, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Thomas Donovan b. Sheffield, 1853 Is anyone on the list researching Thomas Donovan b. 1853 to James and Margaret (nee Hagen) Donovan (both b. Ireland) Thomas' siblings were John b. 1856 in Hartlepool, DUrham Catherine b. 1859 also Hartlepool. In 1861, they were on the Scottish census living in Castleton. Then, they moved to Hartlepool and then to Wigton, Cumbria, where my grandmother, Ann, (Hannah) Donovan was b. in High Ireby in 1862. James and Margaret both died and are buried in Wigton, Cumbria. My grandmother was known as Annie Mary Elizabeth Donovan and married Thomas Grisdale of Penrith in 1885. If anyone is researching any of the Donovan's listed, would love to hear from them. Sincerely Rene Smith/USA Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-YORKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-YORKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-YORKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 251 *********************************************

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karendavies551 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15364.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for this information Christine. I will look into this. I was having the problem of where else to look and being new it can be difficult. Thank you again Karen x Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johnflood912 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15363.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Sandra. Good advice. I'll try some of your suggestions. John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Rene, I was just looking at your query and noticed two things..... You state that Thomas was born in Sheffield in 1853........I have checked two different sources that I have and he wasn't registered there......but that doesn't mean he couldn't have been born there... Margaret is 53 years old on the 1871 census. I wonder if its possible she had been married before and that Thomas is from her first marriage???? There is a Castleton in Derbyshire not far from Sheffield. That's what had caught my eye I was hoping to see the child on the '71 census to see if it was from Scotland.... Not there so I couldn't check it out.... Elaine in Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: August 31, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [YORKSHIRE] Thomas Donovan b. Sheffield, 1853 Is anyone on the list researching Thomas Donovan b. 1853 to James and Margaret (nee Hagen) Donovan (both b. Ireland) Thomas' siblings were John b. 1856 in Hartlepool, DUrham Catherine b. 1859 also Hartlepool. In 1861, they were on the Scottish census living in Castleton. Then, they moved to Hartlepool and then to Wigton, Cumbria, where my grandmother, Ann, (Hannah) Donovan was b. in High Ireby in 1862. James and Margaret both died and are buried in Wigton, Cumbria. My grandmother was known as Annie Mary Elizabeth Donovan and married Thomas Grisdale of Penrith in 1885. If anyone is researching any of the Donovan's listed, would love to hear from them. Sincerely Rene Smith/USA Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Merice46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15363.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Why not put an advert in a Sheffield newspaper.OR Put a message on Friends reunited,or put a message on the Yorkshire board or get in touch with the record office in Sheffield. Regards Sandra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Is anyone on the list researching Thomas Donovan b. 1853 to James and Margaret (nee Hagen) Donovan (both b. Ireland) Thomas' siblings were John b. 1856 in Hartlepool, DUrham Catherine b. 1859 also Hartlepool.  In 1861, they were on the Scottish census living in Castleton.  Then, they moved to Hartlepool and then to Wigton, Cumbria, where my grandmother, Ann, (Hannah) Donovan was b. in High Ireby in 1862.  James and Margaret both died and are buried in Wigton, Cumbria.  My grandmother was known as Annie Mary Elizabeth Donovan and married Thomas Grisdale of Penrith in 1885. If anyone is researching any of the Donovan's listed, would love to hear from them. Sincerely  Rene Smith/USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johnflood912 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15363.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Sandra. Yes, thanks for looking. I've had agood look at the entries for Samuel and family. It looks possible, but several things don't fit: george I think turns out to be george alfred. william is william e, and I think my william is william henry. george turns up in a later census as agricultural labourer, whereas he worked for NRC (National/Northern Research Council ?), went to college to learn metallurgy and emigrated to St Petersburgh in Russia where he set up blast furnaces, until he was driven out by the revolution. on his return he went to stay with william in eccleshall sheffield. Finding william in sheffield might be easier. Someone in sheffield must have some answers. John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Merice46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15363.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, It's difficult without info.But what about this?? 1891 census for West Derby Liverpool Piece 2989 Fol 104 Page 42 Samuel Flood 56 tailor born Douglas Isle of Man Betsey 53 born Shropshire Frederick 23 tailors asst. born Liverpool Elenor 21 born Liverpool Mary E 17 born Liverpool George A 14 born Liverpool William E 10 born Liverpool Charles 7 born Liverpool Regards Sandra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: duncanbladen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/14870.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: my family surname is Bladen , we live in north east - mostly , durham , south shields , newcastle , and chilton nr ferryhill . wondered if we may be related Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: york_lanc_FH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15364.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: sorry the births were 1 female 2 male Christine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: york_lanc_FH Surnames: HOPSON UNWIN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15364.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi This looks like a possible for your great grandparents Marriage Marriages Jun 1911 Hopson Charles Wortley 9c 557 Unwin Bertha Wortley 9c 557 on the Freebmd site there are 3 births HOPSON Mothers Maiden Name UNWIN all male reg at Wortley Hope this helps you Christine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karendavies551 Surnames: Hoyland Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15364/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I am trying to gather information from my dads side of the family. His mother is Doris Hopson born 1917 she married Harry Hoyland in 1931 they had the following children - Shirley, Brian, Barbara, Judith and Lorraine. have been told that Bertha Hospon and Charles Hopson are my great grandparents but i havent been able to find anything out about them, also my other grandparents were also harry hoyland and i dont have his wifes name/ Can anyone help me out, any help would be grateful Thanks Karen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: viandjohn1 Surnames: flood Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15363.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please! I can't find any sensible info re george or william flood except georges death, Andrew's birth(only son) and a possible reference to william in 1901 census (in ecclesfield). I believe william and george owned 'flood's constructional engineers' in sheffield ca 1920. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Good Morning Listers, We are searching Hi and Lo for details concerning Easther HOLMES born about 1766 Who married John BISHOP 1788 in Howden, Yorkshire - with all the children being born in Laxton, Yorkshire. We have been unable to find the parents, siblings or ancestors of Easther HOLMES Is anybody researching this connections with this HOLMES family? Best wishes pamela

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: grassington Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15360.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Having been born and grown up in the Yorkshire Dales, I think the previous correspondent is correct. Along the road from Cracoe (which is just north of Rylstone along the Skipton to Grassington road) there are two farmsteads known as Langerton Farm and Far Langerton. These are actually along the minor raod from Cracoe to Thorpe (where I was born). If you look at the Ordnance Survey web site http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ and type Cracoe into the Get a Map box you will see them just to the north east of Cracoe. I believe that Langerton Farm does b&b. Type in Hetton Langerton into Google and you should find it. Also there is a picture of Far Langerton at the following address: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/146467 Hope this all helps. Cheers, David Jackson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: erniewilson111 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15362.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: many thanks _ i'll give that a try - thought about going forward - realistically backwards had to be the next step - shame I was't realistic - haha Thanks again ernie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eworld_2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15360.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Had a look at the 1851 census and a Victorian map for the time and I think it more likely that the place is Langerton which is near to Hetton. Certainly the s is in fact and r by comparison with other nearby entry. Hope this helps. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shazzababe2361 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15362.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Just had a look for you i have found a birth in oct/nov/dec quater 1876 which on free bmd has the same i think he was born in Dec 1876 but he may not have been registerd untill 1877 and that could be where the confusion is the Vol no is 9C and page 9 Hope this helps Sharon Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Shirley, Thank you again I do hope your promotion in title will be seen as complimentary? Regards Christopher -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Amelia Mason and baby son arrival in Halifax, NS Here is a record of Amelia Mason's son, George Herbert Mason, arriving in Halifax on 29 May 1918 with his mother. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: George Herbert Mason Gender: Male Age: 1 1/2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1916 Date of Arrival: 29 May 1918 Vessel: Aquitania Search Ship Database: View the 'Aquitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-4757 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] G.H. Mason Border Crossing Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:47:58 -0400 Shirley, Now this is information is a revelation and priceless,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you Christopher -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:08 am Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] George Herbert Mason Born 10 May 1878 Hi, Christopher, I have found another record for George Mason. This is in another ancestry.ca database entitled Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S. 1895-1956. He is shown on a List or Manifest of Alien Passengers... [arriving] in Detroit, Michigan, May 1924. Here are the details: George Mason, age 44, Carpenter, Wife Amelia Mason address 650 Parliament, Toronto. So his wife is living in Toronto in 1924 and he is entering the U.S. at Detroit. Hope this helps. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Shirley Smith" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [YORKSHIRE] George Herbert Mason Born 10 May 1878 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:38:26 GMT Hi, Christopher, I have had a look at his record in Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918 on ancestry.ca. I have not been able to copy it to send to you so here are the details. Rank Captain Surname Mason Christian name George Herbert Born London, Middlesex Present address 81 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS DOB May 10th 1878 Name of next of king Amelia Mason Address of next of kin 81 Hollis St., Halfax, NS Relationship of next of kin Wife Profession Commision Agent StockYard Carpenter Religion Church of England Willing to be vaccinated or re-vaccinated and inoculated Yes Unit of Active Militia Nil Former Military Service 13 Years Imperial Army Willing to serve in Canadian Overseas Expeditonary Force Yes Application taken 21st July 1918 in Halifax, NS Application denied Febuary [sic] 1st 1919 Unfit for service. Signed EK Maclellan, Capt. So now you have his place of birth and wife's name and location in Canada. Shirley ______________________________________________________________________ > We have this person George Herbert Mason Born 10 May 1878 with no place of birth and a next of kin his mother called Edith Mason (n 1914 living at Kempt Road,Kensal Rise, London) and he reports on his application at that time to The Canadian Expeditionary Forces iin Canada to have spent 12 years in the Yorkshire West Riding Regiment. > Does any person have any connections or suggestions how to find this mans family please or does he show up on a census simewhere > > Christopher. > . > > > _________________________________________________________________ W To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd have thought it was unlikely to be Conistone since it has its own church - I'd go with Hetton which would be in Rylstone parish Anne Newman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 27 August 2009 21:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YORKSHIRE] Help Identifying Birthplace of Thomas Gill This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eworld_2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/15360.1/ mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomas Gill son of George Gill was baptised at Rylstone 7 /12/1795 according to the IGI. Also in the same parish although not immediately in the Hetton vicinity, one possibility is Conistone. It is possible the parish register gives a local name for his birthplace not necessarily a village, it was often the case at this time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message