I wasn't stamping my little size 5s in a temper at being refused what I felt was my right, more surprised at the reply because I hadn't come across it before. However, both Roy and Nivard have said that it is not an isolated case so at least it's nothing personal ;-) I shall have to consider other options. As I was wishing to confirm several entries I had found on the IGI, a trip to a LDS FHC (once I've ordered the relevant film) might be the way forward. Although there isn't one very local to where we live, it should be considerably closer than Yorkshire! Regards Heather Roy Stockdill wrote: > On 9 Nov 2009 at 16:13, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > >> Hi Heather >> >> Its not that unusual, try Berkshire, its the same problem there >> >> It would presumably be the decision of the Bishop, who for some reason or other does not want to make the information available >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >> >>> Hi there >>> >>> I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies Service about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they hold them but "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche are not available for sale." >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> Has anyone ever come across this before? Can anyone offer an explanation why a Diocese would object? >>> > > We seem to be confusing two different things here... > > 1) The public's right to inspect parish registers. > > 2) Making them generally available for sale. > > As Nivard says, it seems to vary from one diocese to another. Some are happy to make them widely available for sale, others are not. And, of course, there have always been bloody-minded, stupid vicars who think the registers are their own personal property and are not to be shown to anyone else! > > <snip> > > -- > Roy Stockdill >

On 9 Nov 2009 at 16:13, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Heather > > Its not that unusual, try Berkshire, its the same problem there > > It would presumably be the decision of the Bishop, who for some reason > or other does not want to make the information available > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hi there > > > > I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies > > Service about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they > > hold them but "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche > > are not available for sale." > > > > They kindly attach a list of researchers I could contact but I enjoy > > reading the old registers myself and seeing if there are any other > > notes, rather than reading/relying on transcripts by others. > > > > Has anyone ever come across this before? Can anyone offer an > > explanation why a Diocese would object? > > We seem to be confusing two different things here... 1) The public's right to inspect parish registers. 2) Making them generally available for sale. As Nivard says, it seems to vary from one diocese to another. Some are happy to make them widely available for sale, others are not. And, of course, there have always been bloody-minded, stupid vicars who think the registers are their own personal property and are not to be shown to anyone else! Offhand I don't have the time to dig it out, but I am certain there is legislation somewhere that makes it quite clear that people have a right to inspect the registers. Our old friend Guy Etchells will know for certain. Of course, this may mean undertaking a long journey to the record office or getting a local researcher to do it for you, which is inconvenient. The Church of England, on the whole, is at least far better than the Roman Catholic Church which seems to guard its records jealously and secretively with a degree of obsessiveness approaching paranoia! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Image sent off list. Denise V --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Bryan Dix <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bryan Dix <[email protected]> Subject: [YORKSHIRE] DIX - Ancestry help To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:43 PM Hi all Can someone please help with the details or an image from ancestry for the baptism of a Richard DIX baptized in ca 1865 in London. His parents are Robert and Sarah Anne Dix. Kind Regards Bryan Dix Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad I could help, having received so much help from this list myself recently :-) Heather LESLEY AUSTEN wrote: > Thank you Heather - I was just being absolutely DUMB!! Didn't connect what > EYRO meant DUH!! > > Sorry! > > Lesley > >

Thank you Heather - I was just being absolutely DUMB!! Didn't connect what EYRO meant DUH!! Sorry! Lesley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.448) Database version: 6.13670 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Janice He could still be someone's ancestor if, after his "misdemeanour", he went clean, got married and had kids. It was great to read about your ancestors and see how much of their life you have uncovered :-) That the difference between researching your family 'history' as opposed to researching your family 'tree'. Regards Heather Janice Wood wrote: > <snip> > > Another story is emerging here. I looked at the 1911 census, to find Ruth HURD at home with her employer, and there is an unusual entry on the census form - there are four farm workers listed, but the last one is crossed through and a note written below says "This man taken by police." The man is Robert WALKER, aged 67, a single man, farm labourer, born at Nunnington. Now, I wonder what he had done! I will go to the Library, at the earliest opportunity, to search newspapers for possible clues. Does anyone have WALKER connections in this area? As a single man, it is unlikely that he is anyone's ancestor, but may be a relation. > > Janice Wood >

Ruth HURD, my grandmother, was born at Cloughton in the parish of Scalby. At the age of 20 she left her home and family to become a companion and servant to Miss HARRISON, the daughter of a farmer, Robert HARRISON, of The Grange, Gilling East, near Helmsley in the North Riding of Yorkshire. Robert's wife had died in 1909 and their daughter Helos (was supposed to be named Heloise, but the vicar made an error at her baptism, apparently, and it stuck), was the only female in a house full of farm labourers, so she needed female company, the farm being quite remote from the village. I do not know how Ruth got the job. Perhaps it was advertised, but perhaps the family was known to Ruth's family, maybe even distantly related - that is yet to be discovered. Ruth was "walking out" with my grandfather for eight years before they were married, which was not so unusual in those days, particularly for servants. Another story is emerging here. I looked at the 1911 census, to find Ruth HURD at home with her employer, and there is an unusual entry on the census form - there are four farm workers listed, but the last one is crossed through and a note written below says "This man taken by police." The man is Robert WALKER, aged 67, a single man, farm labourer, born at Nunnington. Now, I wonder what he had done! I will go to the Library, at the earliest opportunity, to search newspapers for possible clues. Does anyone have WALKER connections in this area? As a single man, it is unlikely that he is anyone's ancestor, but may be a relation. Janice Wood

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: StacyTaylor991 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.yks.general/7335.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Vicky My Stainthorpes came from Cumberland, England. They have been hard as hens teeth to find. My Grama (Mary)came to Canada in 1904 with her family. Father Robert Stainthorpe, Mother Isabella Hodgson Stainthorpe and her two sisters Annie and Edith. I haven't found a Francis yet in my tree but you never know! Good Hunting Stacy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Nivard, Many thanks for looking up my names in your book. None of these are my direct family, but are very distant relatives. Thanks again. Janice

Hi Janice You probably saw my mention of the book the story of Scalby and its residents I was under the misapprehension that all names contained therein were indexed, not so it seems (it was a silly thought given the quantity of names I now realise) As it is 158 pages its not easy to skim through and hope to see names but one list caught my eye, it also seemed pertinent to the time of year Under Names on the War Memorial I found Gilbert COCKERILL Francis R HURD Fred HURD George HURD Robinson HURD They are not marked with a star which denoted those marked were killed in action or died of wounds so presume they survived I hope they are yours as all good men deserve to be remembered Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Heather > > I have ancestors from Scalby. The registers are housed at the East > Yorkshire > Archives, "Treasure House" at Beverley. A handwritten transcript is at the > North Yorkshire County Record Office at Northallerton, but it is very hard > to read the handwriting! > Bishops' Transcripts also exist. These are at the Borthwick Institute at > the > University of York. > The names I am particularly researching in the parish of Scalby are HURD, > PATTISON (or PATTERSON), and COCKERILL. > > The Monumental Inscriptions from the Church and Churchyard of St. > Laurence, > Scalby, have been recorded by the East Yorkshire Family History Society. > www.eyfhs.org.uk > > Regards, > Janice Wood

May I suggest you explore http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html Look up each of the places in turn. (For Rise, select R and scroll down to Rise) From their 'parish/place page' (eg, http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Rise/index.html), scroll down to 'Church Records'. From there (eg, http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/ERY/Rise.html) it will clearly state where the originals are kept and how they can be accessed I don't know the area but hopefully you will find that the majority are at the same Yorkshire Record Office ;-) Hope this helps Heather LESLEY AUSTEN wrote: > Hi Listers > > Am planning a trip to Yorkshire (my beloved birthplace!) and would like to > look at some Parish registers whilst I am there - but search as I might I > can't seem to find where I will find them. > > Am looking for the following both pre and post 1837: > > Sculcoates > Skirlaugh > Riston > Rise > Sigglesthorne > Hornsea > Leven > Swine > Bridlington > > Any help gratefully appreciated > > Lesley > >

Hi Listers Am planning a trip to Yorkshire (my beloved birthplace!) and would like to look at some Parish registers whilst I am there - but search as I might I can't seem to find where I will find them. Am looking for the following both pre and post 1837: Sculcoates Skirlaugh Riston Rise Sigglesthorne Hornsea Leven Swine Bridlington Any help gratefully appreciated Lesley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.448) Database version: 6.13660 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hello Heather, you wrote > I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies Service > about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they hold them but > "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche are not available > for sale." I, like you, had this problem a few years ago. I was transcribing at a RO PR's onto paper then transferring this info to my computer. It was suggested at the RO that I get a s/hand fiche viewer and buy the appropriate fiche. I could work on them from home and even buying a new fiche reader would save me my travelling expenses. I was told, however, that before I could obtain the fiche I had to get a letter from the Rector of the relevant Church permitting me to do so. I spoke to him and he agreed to this but, in Church the next Sunday, told me he had changed his mind - didn't consider it correct that such information should be kept in a private house!!! Evidently then (1990's) such Church Records were considered the property of the current incumbent. From what you say that ruling probably still exists. Later I managed to do all the transcribing I wanted when a new incumbent came on the scene - He encouraged me - I was even allowed to transcribe from the current registers. Some of these entries went back into the late 1800's they hadn't been put onto fiche anyway. As a result of this I was able to assist the Church with the many genealogical enquires they received. Perhaps a letter to the Vicar/Rector of the Parish in question may make a difference - like me you may find someone who is as interested in Family History as you are. It's worth a try anyway. Have a go. Maggie.

Hello Heather The Parish Register Section of the Yorkshire Archaeological Society have been transcribing parish registers for 110 years, since 1899. Yes, they are all transcriptions and mostly very accurate. They are done by volunteers who take great pride in their work. Over 170 volumes have now been transcribed, but this is only a small proportion of what is actually available for Yorkshire. The number of parishes in the whole of Yorkshire is, I believe, 682, therefore there is still a lot of work for the Section to do!!! They welcome volunteers who can read old and sometimes very faded handwriting, and who have time to visit the archives, where the registers are held, to transcribe them there. Most registers have been transcribed up to either 1812 or 1837, these cut-off dates being chosen as the dates when major changes were made. In 1812, the format of parish registers was revised, so that all churches used the same printed books, and 1837 was chosen as the start of civil registration, when there is not quite so much need to refer to the registers. I hope this helps Regards Janice Wood

Hi Janice EYA have told me that they do not offer microfiche copies of the Scalby registers for sale :-( However, the EYFHS site looks very interesting ... and Christmas is coming ;-) Thanks Heather Janice Wood wrote: > Hello Heather > > I have ancestors from Scalby. The registers are housed at the East Yorkshire > Archives, "Treasure House" at Beverley. A handwritten transcript is at the > North Yorkshire County Record Office at Northallerton, but it is very hard > to read the handwriting! > Bishops' Transcripts also exist. These are at the Borthwick Institute at the > University of York. > The names I am particularly researching in the parish of Scalby are HURD, > PATTISON (or PATTERSON), and COCKERILL. > > The Monumental Inscriptions from the Church and Churchyard of St. Laurence, > Scalby, have been recorded by the East Yorkshire Family History Society. > www.eyfhs.org.uk > > Regards, > Janice Wood > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wonderful! Thanks, Roy Do you know if they are scans of the originals or transcripts? Regards Heather Roy Stockdill wrote: > Very simple. > The Kildwick registers from 1575 to 1789 have been published on both microfiche and > CD by the Yorkshire Parish Register Section of the Yorkshire Archaeological Society > in Leeds. > > See: http://www.yorkshireparishregisters.com/publications.htm > > -- > Roy Stockdill >

Thank you, Nivard I'd just never come across it before and was flumoxed! Regards Heather Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Heather > > Its not that unusual, try Berkshire, its the same problem there > > It would presumably be the decision of the Bishop, who for some reason or > other does not want to make the information available > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Hi there >> >> I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies Service >> about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they hold them but >> "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche are not available >> for sale." >> >> They kindly attach a list of researchers I could contact but I enjoy >> reading the old registers myself and seeing if there are any other >> notes, rather than reading/relying on transcripts by others. >> >> Has anyone ever come across this before? Can anyone offer an >> explanation why a Diocese would object? >> >> Heather >> > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather Its not that unusual, try Berkshire, its the same problem there It would presumably be the decision of the Bishop, who for some reason or other does not want to make the information available Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi there > > I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies Service > about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they hold them but > "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche are not available > for sale." > > They kindly attach a list of researchers I could contact but I enjoy > reading the old registers myself and seeing if there are any other > notes, rather than reading/relying on transcripts by others. > > Has anyone ever come across this before? Can anyone offer an > explanation why a Diocese would object? > > Heather

Hi there I've just heard back from East Riding Archive and Local Studies Service about the Scalby parish records. They confirm that they hold them but "under instruction from our Diocese, the microfiche are not available for sale." They kindly attach a list of researchers I could contact but I enjoy reading the old registers myself and seeing if there are any other notes, rather than reading/relying on transcripts by others. Has anyone ever come across this before? Can anyone offer an explanation why a Diocese would object? Heather The Quineys wrote: > Hello list > > I've got a branch of my tree with its roots firmly in Scalby, > Scarborough (1750s-1850s). I understand that East Yorkshire Record > Office holds the parish records for the parish of Scalby. > Unfortunately, I live at the wrong end of the country for a personal > visit. > > Does anyone know if these records are available (in any format: CD, > microfiche) to purchase? Any other avenues I can explore (I know about > the IGI entries)? > > Many thanks > Heather > > >

I wonder if anyone has links to Ann Elizabeth MACKRILL or any of the family? Born 27 Aug 1860, Willoughby, Lincolnshire. Married 17 Feb 1881 to Byron Bagley TURNER. Ann and Byron are in the MACKRILL household in Willoughby in the 1881 census. In the 1891 census they are at 4 Wheatley? Street, Normanton, Yorkshire with daughters Mary Elizabeth aged 9, Edith Eliza aged 6 Annie Louisa aged 2. In the 1901 census they are at the same address with Ann Elizabeth, now named Elizabeth and widowed, (Byron having his death registered in the March q 1901) Mary E aged 19, Annie L aged 11, Willie aged 6 and Emily aged 2. Edith is in Mirfield aged 18, a servant. I have tried using possible marriage matches on FreeBMD then used the 1911 census to try for possible matches with Ann and her children without any positive results. Ann Elizabeth is the only one of 10 great aunts and uncles that I have not been able follow to their death. She would have been 40 when she was widowed and possibly remarried. I would appreciate any assistance from anyone who may have links to this family in Yorkshire. Leonard Mackrill, Australia.