Many thanks Derek. As I previously only knew of John I had no idea of Joseph or Hannahs ages. I hadn't been able to find either of them in the 1881 (and still can't). John married in 1870 and his father is not shown as "deceased" on the marriage certificate so he probably died between 1870 and 1881 Tigger, Warrington -----Original Message----- From: derek deShelfe [mailto:derekdeShelfe1@activemail.co.uk] Sent: 23 August 2003 16:21 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ BRAD] 1851 census Shipley,MIDGLEY. [Specially for Tigger,but I'm sure he/she wont mind sharing with you all] Hi Tigger, I suspect this is the info.you wanted SKS to find----- Bradford Census 1851,Shipley. 44,Old Hirst Mill,Shipley. [All surnamed MIDGLEY] Joseph,head,marr.aged 44,Farm labourer, born Horsforth. Hannah,wife,aged 42,born Chappeltown. Thomas,son,17,Power-loom worsted weaver born Horsforth. Mary,dau.aged 16,P.L.W.W.,b.Horsforth. James P.son,aged 11,Scholar,b.Horsforth William,son,aged 7,Scholar,b.Horsforth. Ann,dau.aged 6,Scholar,born Horsforth. John,son,aged 4,Scholar,born Shipley. Joseph,son,aged 2,born Shipley. ======================================= [Looks like they were in Horsforth for the 1841 census ; sorry I can't help you with that one] Cheers--------Derek.