Hi Jack & List I am sure that somewhere along the line, if not in fact within your family, many names became corrupted, as they were written as they were spoken. Perhaps only one or two people within a community could read and write, thus the name was spoken and written down in the registers etc as it was heard by the person recording the events. An example:- My maiden name was ROTHERAM, many is the time I had to take my birth certificate to school, because the teacher said I could not spell my own name..............I argued that I could indeed spell my own name BUT I now realise after trawling registers, census etc, names & words become misheard, mistranscribed or miswritten.........all giving the same result.............variations in christian, surname and addresses etc.I now look at ROTHERAM/ROTHERHAM/ROTHEHAM and even more fantastic deviations. ANother example:- I searched for a good year for the Father of my GtGrandfather Herbert CLEWER, who stated on his marriage certificate to Lily SAUNDERS that his Father was called Alexander CLEWER, I could find no evidence of anyone of this name even existing................I read and re-read census etc.............eventually it hit me, the one man I kept seeing in local records was Allan Andrew CLEWER, who is indeed my GtGtGrandfather. Herbert was a young boy of 8 when his Father left the family. He had asked his Mother Emma CLEWER what his Father's name was and was either told it wrongly (Emma was deaf) or he misheard the name. Allen can also be found in census as CLOUR another deviation of CLEWER. Take nothing for granted, look at all possible variations in a name, sometime we have to play detective and think laterally..............try it, you might be surprised with the results. Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List admin Clewer surname OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. AVG updated daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Earnshaw" <jack.earnshaw@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [ BRAD] FARRER > > Are the names Farrer and Farrar really the same or are they totally > different families. My ggg grandmother was Martha Farrar and was married in > Bradford Cathedral in 1835. Her baptism is on the IGI as being at Denholme > on 10 May 1812 and her parents as John and Sarah Farrar. I haven't got any > further back yet as there are so many John Farrar's and John Farrer's and > several seemed to marry a Sarah, but having seen both spellings, I wondered > if there could be a connection. > > Jack in Berkshire >

Jan I totally agree. The detective work is what makes this hobby so enjoyable for me. With a name like Earnshaw, I have had to be very flexible as to the searches I do, especially with the "transcribed" census facilities such as the 1881 disks and the 1901 web site. It took me three months to find my grandfather on the 1901 census - and then only when I discovered that he had another sister who had an easier first name. The family were listed as Hernshaw. My grandfather, Verdi Lindley Earnshaw was given the first names of Nerdi Ling and his father was named Homan instead of his correct name Heman. At the moment I am still trying to piece together whether two Earnshaw's in Denholme are actually one and the same. One was baptised William John and was buried with that name. His wife was Mary Ann something. But the only records I can find to match in anyway are for John Earnshaw who married Mary Ann Foster. Hopefully when the certificates arrive next week I will get the answer. If they aren't the same person, then I am left with two questions - where did William John go to between christening and death and secondly where did John come from. Obviously one reason for me asking the question was to see if there was a possible match with the Farrer family - as faced with about 30 possible John Farrar's baptised within a small radius of Denholme is quite a task to sort out from afar - My John Farrar would probably have been born around 1790 ish and probably married around 1808-1810. My first trip to Bradford, a couple of weeks ago was centred around the Earnshaw name, but now I have enough further questions and names to last for months - if only all churches had the indexed registers that have been created recently for Haworth parish church! Regards Jack Earnshaw please respond to jack@jearnshaw.me.uk <mailto:jack@jearnshaw.me.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Jan Perkins [mailto:janperkins@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 17 June 2003 22:52 To: Jack Earnshaw; ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ BRAD] FARRER Hi Jack & List I am sure that somewhere along the line, if not in fact within your family, many names became corrupted, as they were written as they were spoken. Perhaps only one or two people within a community could read and write, thus the name was spoken and written down in the registers etc as it was heard by the person recording the events. An example:- My maiden name was ROTHERAM, many is the time I had to take my birth certificate to school, because the teacher said I could not spell my own name..............I argued that I could indeed spell my own name BUT I now realise after trawling registers, census etc, names & words become misheard, mistranscribed or miswritten.........all giving the same result.............variations in christian, surname and addresses etc.I now look at ROTHERAM/ROTHERHAM/ROTHEHAM and even more fantastic deviations. ANother example:- I searched for a good year for the Father of my GtGrandfather Herbert CLEWER, who stated on his marriage certificate to Lily SAUNDERS that his Father was called Alexander CLEWER, I could find no evidence of anyone of this name even existing................I read and re-read census etc.............eventually it hit me, the one man I kept seeing in local records was Allan Andrew CLEWER, who is indeed my GtGtGrandfather. Herbert was a young boy of 8 when his Father left the family. He had asked his Mother Emma CLEWER what his Father's name was and was either told it wrongly (Emma was deaf) or he misheard the name. Allen can also be found in census as CLOUR another deviation of CLEWER. Take nothing for granted, look at all possible variations in a name, sometime we have to play detective and think laterally..............try it, you might be surprised with the results. Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List admin Clewer surname OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. AVG updated daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Earnshaw" <jack.earnshaw@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [ BRAD] FARRER > > Are the names Farrer and Farrar really the same or are they totally > different families. My ggg grandmother was Martha Farrar and was married in > Bradford Cathedral in 1835. Her baptism is on the IGI as being at Denholme > on 10 May 1812 and her parents as John and Sarah Farrar. I haven't got any > further back yet as there are so many John Farrar's and John Farrer's and > several seemed to marry a Sarah, but having seen both spellings, I wondered > if there could be a connection. > > Jack in Berkshire >