Martin, Thanks (I think) for information on Benn's of N. Bierley. You were right that you need lots of time to peruse it let alone digest it, but I'll work on it. Really at this point not sure what my line is as I'm just starting to search them out. Need to get my grandmother's birth certificate to see who her parents were. Thanks again for sharing. esther __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com