From: "Valerie Gilbert" <[email protected]> > Roy > The birth certificate I have for Dennis CREEDON born 1842 came from > Bradford Register office.Bradford East Div. I had been enquiring after > Michael and they phoned to say no Michael was found but another child > near the date I suggested and a couple of others later they felt were > the same family. I now have them all. I agree that they would not all > know how to write the name, indeed I first found the senior Dennis as > Denis Credon and later Creadon.After 1864 it has been CREEDON > consistently and Michael was signing his own name by his marriage in > 1867. The child Dennis was born 21st Nov 1842 at Philadelphia Street, > Wapping and the registrar was Richard Spencer giving the date of 29th > Nov. I am trying to check for a baptism for this boy. Not until 1897 > does the name Michael Dennis appear, on marriage of his daughter.There > were 12 more children , all with father Michael. > Michael's death certificate states death of Michael Dennis CREEDON > aged 77yrs in Dec 1919. > I cannot think of another way of verifying my theorybut feel the > absence of any more information about Dennis is yet another pointer to > the child being one and the same. I realise I may never prove this.< Valerie I note that FreeBMD has four birth entries in Bradford, all with the spelling CREADON, as follows..... Sep 1840 Hannah CREADON Bradford 23 97 Dec 1842 Dennis CREADON Bradford 23 101 Sep 1845 Abina CREADON Bradford 23 105 Jun 1848 James CREADON Bradford 23 145 FreeBMD also has the following deaths in Bradford..... Sep 1841 Catherine CREADON Bradford 23 69 HANNAH CREADON Bradford 23 69 June 1848 James CREADON Bradford 23 93 Jun 1849 Abinah CREADON Bradford 23 98 I would say this was your family who lost 4 children between 1841 and 1849. There are no other entries for the spelling of Creadon after 1849, so the name must have become CREEDON after that date. I then note from the 1851 Bradford census the following..... Bradford East End, Piece No. 2307, folio 380 At 16 Temperance Terrace... Dennis CREEDON, head, mar, 50, labourer, b Ireland Hannah CREEDON, wife, mar, 40, b Ireland Mary CREEDON, dau, 15, piecer worsted, b Ireland Michael CREEDON, son, 5, scholar, b Ireland + three female lodgers all born in Ireland Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it! It seems unlikely they could have had a daughter called Abina born in Bradford in 1845 and also a son Michael born in Ireland in 1845/6. I suspect an enumerator's error in 1851 and that he simply put them all down as born in Ireland. Unless there was another family of the same, or similar, name. However, I cannot find another family in Bradford in 1851. I suppose it's just possible that in between the birth of Abina and James they nipped back to Ireland where Michael was born and then returned to Bradford. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> .....long snip from earlier message..... I then > note from the 1851 Bradford census the following..... > > Bradford East End, Piece No. 2307, folio 380 > At 16 Temperance Terrace... > Dennis CREEDON, head, mar, 50, labourer, b Ireland > Hannah CREEDON, wife, mar, 40, b Ireland > Mary CREEDON, dau, 15, piecer worsted, b Ireland > Michael CREEDON, son, 5, scholar, b Ireland > + three female lodgers all born in Ireland > > Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it! It seems unlikely they could > have had a daughter called Abina born in Bradford in 1845 and also a > son Michael born in Ireland in 1845/6. I suspect an enumerator's error > in 1851 and that he simply put them all down as born in Ireland. > Unless there was another family of the same, or similar, name. > However, I cannot find another family in Bradford in 1851. > > I suppose it's just possible that in between the birth of Abina and > James they nipped back to Ireland where Michael was born and then > returned to Bradford. In 1861 the family comprised father Dennis, aged 59, outdoor labourer, born Ireland, wife Hannah aged 50, born Ireland, daughter Mary aged 26, born Ireland, and son Michael, aged 16, now shown as born "Yorkshire Bradford". This surely has to be the Michael who was aged 5 in the 1851 census - no mention at all in either census of the Dennis born in 1842. FreeBMD also has the death of Dennis Creedon at Bradford in the Dec quarter of 1865. Unfortunately, death ages weren't given until 1866 but this was presumably the father. It becomes mysteriouser and mysteriouser (Alice in Wonderland!). Was Dennis whose birth certificate you have, Valerie, and who was definitely born in 1842 in fact Michael whose age in 1851 was 5 and in 1861was 16? I am beginning to suspect not, frankly. However, despite what the 1861 census says, I am unable to find a Michael Creadon or Creedon born at Bradford in 1844/5. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE