'You are obviously a beginner and I am an expert and a professional. These lists are mostly populated by beginners who have difficulty in understanding what those of us who have been in genealogy and family history a very long time are trying to do in endeavouring to show them how PROPER research is conducted.' Good Heavens Roy, were you never a beginner? I am, and value all the help I can get. I find it very insulting of you to say that we beginners do not understand how you 'experts' try to help us. Of course we understand!! And we are grateful should we get the assistance. Jo