Dear All I am still looking for my Grandfather born Harold Johnson(I have a WW1 medal with this name on) ,Bradford about 1892 to Thomas & Frances. On 1901 there is a James Albert Baxby (6) with his mother Emma Hird ,lodging with my greatgrandparents. Did James perish as a child,how could my grandfather got to use this name. He died in Wakefield in 1970 as James Albert Hird. I have a copy of a Marriage certificate from 1914 on which Harold married Beatrice Gott(age 20) in Bradford. My oldest aunt was born 1922,so between 1914 and early 1920s it is fair to guess that there was a first family,my auntie always said that they were always moving about as if someone was chasing them. Can any body help with any of the above. Alec

From: "Alec Hird" <[email protected]> > I am still looking for my Grandfather born Harold Johnson(I have a WW1 > medal with this name on) ,Bradford about 1892 to Thomas & Frances. > > On 1901 there is a James Albert Baxby (6) with his mother Emma Hird > ,lodging with my greatgrandparents. Did James perish as a child,how > could my grandfather got to use this name. > > He died in Wakefield in 1970 as James Albert Hird. > > I have a copy of a Marriage certificate from 1914 on which Harold > married Beatrice Gott(age 20) in Bradford. > > My oldest aunt was born 1922,so between 1914 and early 1920s it is > fair to guess that there was a first family,my auntie always said that > they were always moving about as if someone was chasing them. > > Can any body help with any of the above. > Alec I confess to being a little baffled and bewildered by your post! Was your grandfather Harold Johnson, James Albert Baxby, James Albert Hird or what? Why do you think these names were all the same man? Please explain further. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Alec Can't deal with the supposed pinching of the name - James Albert B Hird was born in Bradford Dec qtr 1894. But no death of FreeBMD However, as for a "first family" as there was a long gap from 1914 to 1922 - have you considered that there was a war on from 1914-1918 so he could have been fighting for King and Country. Jack -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Alec Hird Sent: 12 October 2006 18:13 To: bradford famhis Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] james albert Dear All I am still looking for my Grandfather born Harold Johnson(I have a WW1 medal with this name on) ,Bradford about 1892 to Thomas & Frances. On 1901 there is a James Albert Baxby (6) with his mother Emma Hird ,lodging with my greatgrandparents. Did James perish as a child,how could my grandfather got to use this name. He died in Wakefield in 1970 as James Albert Hird. I have a copy of a Marriage certificate from 1914 on which Harold married Beatrice Gott(age 20) in Bradford. My oldest aunt was born 1922,so between 1914 and early 1920s it is fair to guess that there was a first family,my auntie always said that they were always moving about as if someone was chasing them. Can any body help with any of the above. Alec ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alec Thanks to Jack Earnshaw, it appears that your grandfather's birth was registered as James Albert B(axby) Hird (a copy of his birth certificate should clear this up). If you picked up some of your information from a transcription of the 1901 census, it's probably worth checking the original entries, initially for 'ditto' on James Hirst and the relationships and marital status of his mother Emma. I suspect that the medal could be a red herring, and that Harold is not your grandfather, but probably a relative. The gap in the births of the children suggests that James probably fought in the war, so it's probably worth looking for James Albert on the medal rolls, and maybe Harold (I think the regiment and his number should be on the edge of the medal). If he fought throughout the war, one would expect at least two medals if not three. It's worth checking the war graves site for Harold, because if his medal has passed down to your line there is a chance that he was killed during the war, although if he was married one would expect his wife to have received it. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alec Hird Sent: 12 October 2006 18:13 To: bradford famhis Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] james albert Dear All I am still looking for my Grandfather born Harold Johnson(I have a WW1 medal with this name on) ,Bradford about 1892 to Thomas & Frances. On 1901 there is a James Albert Baxby (6) with his mother Emma Hird ,lodging with my greatgrandparents. Did James perish as a child,how could my grandfather got to use this name. He died in Wakefield in 1970 as James Albert Hird. I have a copy of a Marriage certificate from 1914 on which Harold married Beatrice Gott(age 20) in Bradford. My oldest aunt was born 1922,so between 1914 and early 1920s it is fair to guess that there was a first family,my auntie always said that they were always moving about as if someone was chasing them. Can any body help with any of the above. Alec ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 06/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 06/10/2006

Hi Alec I can't claim to have really come to gripes with your story but I can tell you that any children born to Harold Johnson & Beatrice Gott in England should be easily found in the GRO birth indexes. By 1914, these indexes included the maiden name of the mother so it is just a question of running through 8 years worth. I agree with John that you should obtain your father's birth certificate which will, of course, give you the names your parents were using at the time. I would also suggest that you get their marriage certificate, which again would give you the names they were using, their ages & who they listed as their fathers. Perhaps it's also worth noting that people listed as lodgers on the census were often relatives of some kind. Good luck Rosemary Ackroyd -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005