Hello Have you tried:- www.castlegarden.org This is the place where immigrants went through before Ellis Island was opened. I have generally found more hits here by just inserting the surname rather than a Christian name. Some people were just listed as Mr or by their initial. Kind regards Judith K Volpone <volpone@btinternet.com> wrote: Many thanks for the response I had thought of the possibility but up to now have considered it a long-shot. And, of course, the means of checking are rather limited - and expensive. Passenger lists do not appear to be available prior to 1890 and passport applications do not appear to be covered by this period. Also, there was a limited time scale between early 1871 when Walter BALDWIN was in Horton and early 1874 when he was certainly in Bradford - or at least Mary must have been! But you have given me room for more thought on the possibility And, coincidentally, I recently discovered an American cousin from another side of the family who seems to be interested in family history so I will see if she can research anything from her end. Thanks for the help Geoff Longbottom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > From: "Volpone" > >> According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my >> great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. >> She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in >> Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a >> lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first >> child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any >> record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of >> course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary >> SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have >> been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her >> Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the >> registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that >> she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious >> reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family >> would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary >> Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 >> census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace >> Thanks for any ideas. >> >> Geoff Longbottom> > > Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if > Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to > England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would > make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would > be a record of it. > > Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted > manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world > in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong > business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or > he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message