Thanks. No Baldwins as such on the relevant dates but well worth knowing about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > Hello > > Have you tried:- > > www.castlegarden.org > > This is the place where immigrants went through before Ellis Island was > opened. I have generally found more hits here by just inserting the > surname rather than a Christian name. Some people were just listed as Mr > or by their initial. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > > Volpone <volpone@btinternet.com> wrote: > Many thanks for the response > > I had thought of the possibility but up to now have considered it a > long-shot. And, of course, the means of checking are rather limited - and > expensive. Passenger lists do not appear to be available prior to 1890 and > passport applications do not appear to be covered by this period. Also, > there was a limited time scale between early 1871 when Walter BALDWIN was > in > Horton and early 1874 when he was certainly in Bradford - or at least Mary > must have been! > > But you have given me room for more thought on the possibility > > And, coincidentally, I recently discovered an American cousin from another > side of the family who seems to be interested in family history so I will > see if she can research anything from her end. > > Thanks for the help > > Geoff Longbottom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > > >> From: "Volpone" >> >>> According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my >>> great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. >>> She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in >>> Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a >>> lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first >>> child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any >>> record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of >>> course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary >>> SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have >>> been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her >>> Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the >>> registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that >>> she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious >>> reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family >>> would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary >>> Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 >>> census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace >>> Thanks for any ideas. >>> >>> Geoff Longbottom> >> >> Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if >> Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to >> England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would >> make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would >> be a record of it. >> >> Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted >> manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world >> in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong >> business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or >> he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >