From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > From: Christopher Gleave <chrisgleave@hotmail.co.uk> > > > I am looking for any GLEAVE's in the Bradford area. In particular > > I'm after any information on David GLEAVE born 2 Apr 1851 in > > Ashton-under-Lyne and died at 29 Little Lane, Bradford on 12 Jan > > 1907.> > > Presumably you have acquired his birth certificate, since you appear > to know his precise birthdate? If not, why not? It will give you the > names of both parents to start with and you can trace them back from > there, first finding their marriage which will give you the names of > both fathers (i.e. David Gleave's grandfathers). > > Then find David Gleave in the 1861 and subsequent censuses. This > should confirm you have the right man, since the parents' names should > be the same as those on his birth certificate. The census entries will > also give you any siblings. The censuses are online at several > websites but you will need to take out a subscription or buy > pay-per-view units. > > Look for a marriage for him at FreeBMD, remembering to check under > different variants of the surname, i.e. GREAVE. There is a possible > marriage at Bradford in the March qtr of 1895, vol 9b page 78. There > are, of course, other names on the page and you need to look at the > 1901 census to find out which female he married (if, indeed, this is > him).> There is also a potential marriage at Chorley, Lancs, in the Dec qtr of 1872, vol 8c, page 787. This was probably him because in the 1881 census (free at Ancestry and Findmypast) he was aged 30, born at Ashton-Under-Lyne, and a jewellery dealer in Manchester. He had two small daughters, aged 5 and 1, and was widowed. He also had a sister and two nieces living with him. FreeBMD has a number of Gleave marriages at Ashton-Under-Lyne but the most likely for his father looks to be a John Gleave married in the Mar qtr of 1848, vol 20 page 1. There are 4 female names on the page, so you will have to find them in 1851 and 1861 to see who John married. There is also a Henry Gleave married at Ashton-Under-Lyne in the Dec qtr of 1852 and of course it's always possible David's parents weren't married until after he was born. You should also look at the Digital Library of Historical Directories at www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/, since if he was a jeweller you should be able to find an entry for him in Manchester - and perhaps later in Bradford. See how much you can learn from free online sources? It's simply a matter of knowing where to look and I trust I have pointed you in some directions. I am afraid that, as a matter of policy, I do not do look-ups from websites which require a subscription, so I will have to leave it to you to take it from here. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi I have David GLEAVE's birth, marriage (both), death certificates and will, I also have him in the relevant census returns. I am looking for any information as to why his second wife and her children were left out of his will, also anything about his time in Bradford. Chris GLEAVE Amature Genealogist and hard working Taxi driver > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:54:49 +0100> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] New to list - GLEAVE> > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>> > > From: Christopher Gleave <chrisgleave@hotmail.co.uk>> > > > > I am looking for any GLEAVE's in the Bradford area. In particular> > > I'm after any information on David GLEAVE born 2 Apr 1851 in> > > Ashton-under-Lyne and died at 29 Little Lane, Bradford on 12 Jan> > > 1907.>> > > > Presumably you have acquired his birth certificate, since you appear> > to know his precise birthdate? If not, why not? It will give you the> > names of both parents to start with and you can trace them back from> > there, first finding their marriage which will give you the names of> > both fathers (i.e. David Gleave's grandfathers).> > > > Then find David Gleave in the 1861 and subsequent censuses. This> > should confirm you have the right man, since the parents' names should> > be the same as those on his birth certificate. The census entries will> > also give you any siblings. The censuses are online at several> > websites but you will need to take out a subscription or buy> > pay-per-view units.> > > > Look for a marriage for him at FreeBMD, remembering to check under> > different variants of the surname, i.e. GREAVE. There is a possible> > marriage at Bradford in the March qtr of 1895, vol 9b page 78. There> > are, of course, other names on the page and you need to look at the> > 1901 census to find out which female he married (if, indeed, this is> > him).>> > There is also a potential marriage at Chorley, Lancs, in the Dec qtr of > 1872, vol 8c, page 787. This was probably him because in the 1881 > census (free at Ancestry and Findmypast) he was aged 30, born at > Ashton-Under-Lyne, and a jewellery dealer in Manchester. He had two > small daughters, aged 5 and 1, and was widowed. He also had a sister > and two nieces living with him.> > FreeBMD has a number of Gleave marriages at Ashton-Under-Lyne but > the most likely for his father looks to be a John Gleave married in the Mar > qtr of 1848, vol 20 page 1. There are 4 female names on the page, so > you will have to find them in 1851 and 1861 to see who John married. > There is also a Henry Gleave married at Ashton-Under-Lyne in the Dec > qtr of 1852 and of course it's always possible David's parents weren't > married until after he was born. > > You should also look at the Digital Library of Historical Directories at > www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/, since if he was a jeweller you should be > able to find an entry for him in Manchester - and perhaps later in > Bradford.> > See how much you can learn from free online sources? It's simply a > matter of knowing where to look and I trust I have pointed you in some > directions. I am afraid that, as a matter of policy, I do not do look-ups > from websites which require a subscription, so I will have to leave it to > you to take it from here. > > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

From: Christopher Gleave <chrisgleave@hotmail.co.uk> > I have David GLEAVE's birth, marriage (both), death certificates and > will, I also have him in the relevant census returns. I am looking for > any information as to why his second wife and her children were left > out of his will, also anything about his time in Bradford. Chris > GLEAVE Amature Genealogist and hard working Taxi driver> Well, why didn't you say so instead of posting the absolute minimal information and making me waste my time trying to help you? I am afraid it makes me rather cross when people post vague messages asking for information and then, when you try and help them, they come back with words to the effect of "Oh, I've already got all that"! Can you really not understand how irritating this can be? If you had been more precise in the first place, I wouldn't have bothered replying with information you already had. I have better things to do with my time! As to why someone left his second wife out of his will, how on earth can you expect us to know that? There could be any number of family reasons. You may as well ask why Shakespeare left his wife only his "second-best bed". If you were really trying to find someone who is researching the same man, then why not say so? I will certainly not bother trying to help you again, given your attitude towards a response that was intended to be helpful (especially your somewhat sneering signature), nor I doubt will many others, either. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi I have recently subscribed to the Bradford List, and I am shocked by the reply from one of the listers, it appears I have wasted his time. I am sorry to all those people who subscribe to the Bradford list, I have found Bradford a friendly place in the past. I have now unsubscribed Chris _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com