Robyn How oddly coincident. I have been trying to trace my great-aunt Beatrice Milner, who was born in Tong. We know that she ended up married to someone called Jack Thomas, who was a ferry boat captain in the Vancouver area. The family was in touch with the Thomas family until my grandmother died in 1970, since when we have lost touch. The family story is that she was married to a Canadian soldier and went across to Canada as a war bride. The soldier was killed by what was described as a stray bullet towards the end of the war. We never knew his name. She then re-married to a friend of the soldier. Just recently I managed to trace the marriage of a Beatrice Milner to a Richard Dickinson. I have not yet obtained the certificate to confirm details, so I cannot be sure it is the right one. However, they were married in the first quarter of 1915 in the Amesbury registration district. Amesbury is close to Salisbury Plain. From November 1914 to April 1915 the Canadian Engineers were stationed on Salisbury Plain before the force sailed for France. A Corporal Richard Dickinson of the Canadian Engineers is listed on the War Graves Commission site as having been killed on September 3rd 1918. I have been puzzling why she should have married a Canadian so far away from Bradford. But now you say that the Dickinsons had Tong connections everything just seems to fall into place. I will try to find time to get the certificate. Guy Roberts -----Original Message----- From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Missi Sent: 31 October 2007 13:55 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Dickinson/Milner Can any one help me fill in details TIA When they came over was spelled Dickenson Arthur Dickenson, born 4 December, 1862 in Farnley, Yorkshire, a son of Richard and Ann Dickenson (Richard was born abt 1836 in Wibsey, Yks and Ann was born abt 1835 in Bowling, Yks and they had at least 6 children). Arthur Dickenson married Ada Emily Oddy in the Dewsbury District of Yorkshire in 1881. Ada Emily Oddy was born 19 March 1863 in Tong, Yorkshire, a daughter of Edwin Oddy and Ann Johnson who were married in 1862 in the Bradford District of Yorkshire. Edwin Oddy was born abt 1843 in Tong and Ann Johnson was born abt 1844 in Bradford. Arthur and Ada Emily emigrated, it looks like Arthur in 1882 and Ada Emily in 1886 although it seems to change to 1883. They lived in Fort William West in the Thunder Bay District of Ontario where Arthur worked as a CPR employee. There, they had 2 children: Richard, born 24 July 1887 (and died 4 Aug 1888 in Port Arthur, Ontario from inflammation of the brain) and Edwin, born 1 July 1889 (obviously both boys named after Arthur and Ada Emily's respective fathers). Sometime between July 1889 and May 1892, they moved to B.C. and had the following children, all listed in the 1901 BC census: May (1892), Richard #2(1894), John O.(1896), Arthur(1899). On BC census the name was changed a Dickinson Richard born 1894 married Beatrice Milner Jan 23 1915.. Still looking for a record other than the confirmation on Richards military records. He went to England with the Canadian overseas Military October 1914. and maybe marriage records are in the military areas???? also looking for any previous trips Beatrice Milner made to Canada prior to 1914, and her journey after Richards death in Sept 1918 as she shows up in Victoria BC about 1920 Maybe this line joins up with some of the other Dickenson/Dickinson Robyn Phillips ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a side note on the Canadian military records. They are well worth the money to obtain them. I have gotten the records of 2 great uncles who served in the CEF and they are very detailed. 'For one it even had a record of the day he was given off to get married and the address of his wife where his allowance was sent. Missi wrote: > Can any one help me fill in details TIA > When they came over was spelled Dickenson > > Arthur Dickenson, born 4 December, 1862 in Farnley, Yorkshire, a son of > Richard and Ann Dickenson (Richard was born abt 1836 in Wibsey, Yks and Ann > was born abt 1835 in Bowling, Yks and they had at least 6 children). Arthur > Dickenson married Ada Emily Oddy in the Dewsbury District of Yorkshire in > 1881. Ada Emily Oddy was born 19 March 1863 in Tong, Yorkshire, a daughter > of Edwin Oddy and Ann Johnson who were married in 1862 in the Bradford > District of Yorkshire. Edwin Oddy was born abt 1843 in Tong and Ann Johnson > was born abt 1844 in Bradford. > > Arthur and Ada Emily emigrated, it looks like Arthur in 1882 and Ada Emily > in 1886 although it seems to change to 1883. They lived in Fort William > West in the Thunder Bay District of Ontario where Arthur worked as a CPR > employee. There, they had 2 children: Richard, born 24 July 1887 > (and died 4 Aug 1888 in Port Arthur, Ontario from inflammation of the brain) and Edwin, > born 1 July 1889 (obviously both boys named after Arthur and Ada Emily's > respective fathers). > > Sometime between July 1889 and May 1892, they moved to B.C. and had the > following children, all listed in the 1901 BC census: > May (1892), Richard #2(1894), John O.(1896), > Arthur(1899). > > On BC census the name was changed a Dickinson > > Richard born 1894 married Beatrice Milner Jan 23 1915.. Still looking for a record other than the confirmation on Richards military records. He went to England with the Canadian overseas Military October 1914. and maybe marriage records are in the military areas???? > > also looking for any previous trips Beatrice Milner made to Canada prior to 1914, and her journey after Richards death in Sept 1918 as she shows up in Victoria BC about 1920 > > Maybe this line joins up with some of the other Dickenson/Dickinson > > > Robyn Phillips > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Can any one help me fill in details TIA When they came over was spelled Dickenson Arthur Dickenson, born 4 December, 1862 in Farnley, Yorkshire, a son of Richard and Ann Dickenson (Richard was born abt 1836 in Wibsey, Yks and Ann was born abt 1835 in Bowling, Yks and they had at least 6 children). Arthur Dickenson married Ada Emily Oddy in the Dewsbury District of Yorkshire in 1881. Ada Emily Oddy was born 19 March 1863 in Tong, Yorkshire, a daughter of Edwin Oddy and Ann Johnson who were married in 1862 in the Bradford District of Yorkshire. Edwin Oddy was born abt 1843 in Tong and Ann Johnson was born abt 1844 in Bradford. Arthur and Ada Emily emigrated, it looks like Arthur in 1882 and Ada Emily in 1886 although it seems to change to 1883. They lived in Fort William West in the Thunder Bay District of Ontario where Arthur worked as a CPR employee. There, they had 2 children: Richard, born 24 July 1887 (and died 4 Aug 1888 in Port Arthur, Ontario from inflammation of the brain) and Edwin, born 1 July 1889 (obviously both boys named after Arthur and Ada Emily's respective fathers). Sometime between July 1889 and May 1892, they moved to B.C. and had the following children, all listed in the 1901 BC census: May (1892), Richard #2(1894), John O.(1896), Arthur(1899). On BC census the name was changed a Dickinson Richard born 1894 married Beatrice Milner Jan 23 1915.. Still looking for a record other than the confirmation on Richards military records. He went to England with the Canadian overseas Military October 1914. and maybe marriage records are in the military areas???? also looking for any previous trips Beatrice Milner made to Canada prior to 1914, and her journey after Richards death in Sept 1918 as she shows up in Victoria BC about 1920 Maybe this line joins up with some of the other Dickenson/Dickinson Robyn Phillips

However, if you mean that parish registers were divided into males and > females that is complete nonsense! In over 30 years in family history I > have yet to see a baptismal register divided by the sexes. It simply > didn't > happen. > Ooooh Roy you do like putting people "straight". Could you possibly try to do it without appearing to want to put people down. I made a query - a polite answer pointing out I was in error would have sufficed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] IGI records for Bradford > From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > >> You are correct! >> >> Thank you >> >> Margaret >> On 29 Oct 2007, at 23:47, HELEN wrote: >> >> Isn't that because there was one register for females and one for >> males?> > > I don't think so, unless you mean that the Mormon extractions to the |IGI > have been divided into males and female entries, which I have already > pointed out. > > However, if you mean that parish registers were divided into males and > females that is complete nonsense! In over 30 years in family history I > have yet to see a baptismal register divided by the sexes. It simply > didn't > happen. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > You are correct! > > Thank you > > Margaret > On 29 Oct 2007, at 23:47, HELEN wrote: > > Isn't that because there was one register for females and one for > males?> I don't think so, unless you mean that the Mormon extractions to the |IGI have been divided into males and female entries, which I have already pointed out. However, if you mean that parish registers were divided into males and females that is complete nonsense! In over 30 years in family history I have yet to see a baptismal register divided by the sexes. It simply didn't happen. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

You are correct! Thank you Margaret On 29 Oct 2007, at 23:47, HELEN wrote: Isn't that because there was one register for females and one for males? Cheers Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] IGI records for Bradford > From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > >> I am confused by the IGI records for Bradford. Batch numbers >> J107655 and K107655 would both appear to be Bishop's transcripts for >> the Parish church 1790-1812. However they seem to have different >> records. For example I have sons William and Thomas born to Samuel >> Lister in 1794 and 1796 in one batch, and daughters Sarah and Hannah >> born to Samuel Lister in 1796 and 1797 in the other. >> >> Am I missing something obvious? >> >> Regards >> Margaret> > > Yes! If you enter the batch numbers on their own, plus the region > British > Isles and nothing else, you will get the entire list extracted from > the > BTs > for those dates (the technique I described the other day on a > different > topic). > > You will then see that all the entries in the J batch are males and > all > the > entries in the K batch are females. For some reason best known to the > LDS Church, this is how they chose to extract them. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS- BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "HELEN" <helenh48@westnet.com.au> > Isn't that because there was one register for females and one for > males?> In over 30 years in family history, I have yet to see a parish register that was divided into males and females! It is only the LDS Church that introduced the dichotomy when doing extractions, and then only with the J and K batch numbers. Look at any register or BTs with the usual C batch number and it contains both sexes. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Isn't that because there was one register for females and one for males? Cheers Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] IGI records for Bradford > From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > >> I am confused by the IGI records for Bradford. Batch numbers >> J107655 and K107655 would both appear to be Bishop's transcripts for >> the Parish church 1790-1812. However they seem to have different >> records. For example I have sons William and Thomas born to Samuel >> Lister in 1794 and 1796 in one batch, and daughters Sarah and Hannah >> born to Samuel Lister in 1796 and 1797 in the other. >> >> Am I missing something obvious? >> >> Regards >> Margaret> > > Yes! If you enter the batch numbers on their own, plus the region British > Isles and nothing else, you will get the entire list extracted from the > BTs > for those dates (the technique I described the other day on a different > topic). > > You will then see that all the entries in the J batch are males and all > the > entries in the K batch are females. For some reason best known to the > LDS Church, this is how they chose to extract them. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > I am confused by the IGI records for Bradford. Batch numbers > J107655 and K107655 would both appear to be Bishop's transcripts for > the Parish church 1790-1812. However they seem to have different > records. For example I have sons William and Thomas born to Samuel > Lister in 1794 and 1796 in one batch, and daughters Sarah and Hannah > born to Samuel Lister in 1796 and 1797 in the other. > > Am I missing something obvious? > > Regards > Margaret> Yes! If you enter the batch numbers on their own, plus the region British Isles and nothing else, you will get the entire list extracted from the BTs for those dates (the technique I described the other day on a different topic). You will then see that all the entries in the J batch are males and all the entries in the K batch are females. For some reason best known to the LDS Church, this is how they chose to extract them. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I have noted some lists seem to have female names only and others male. Is this true with the ones you are talking about? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Elliott" <meelliott@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] IGI records for Bradford >I am confused by the IGI records for Bradford. Batch numbers > J107655 and K107655 would both appear to be Bishop's transcripts for > the Parish church 1790-1812. However they seem to have different > records. For example I have sons William and Thomas born to Samuel > Lister in 1794 and 1796 in one batch, and daughters Sarah and Hannah > born to Samuel Lister in 1796 and 1797 in the other. > > Am I missing something obvious? > > Regards > Margaret > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am confused by the IGI records for Bradford. Batch numbers J107655 and K107655 would both appear to be Bishop's transcripts for the Parish church 1790-1812. However they seem to have different records. For example I have sons William and Thomas born to Samuel Lister in 1794 and 1796 in one batch, and daughters Sarah and Hannah born to Samuel Lister in 1796 and 1797 in the other. Am I missing something obvious? Regards Margaret

Hi Janet, Will do - thanks for that info. By the way my husband went to Wrose Primary school and he is now 65 yrs. Thanks,. Maureen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Farrer" <maureenf@connexus.net.au> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Windmill Hi I went when the school was New! so no prizes for getting my Age ha ha, If I can help I will. I used to live in Wrose Villiage from 18mths born Oak Bank Gaisby. Small world. Janet > Hi Janet, > > Will do - thanks for that info. By the way my husband went to Wrose > Primary > school and he is now 65 yrs. > Thanks,. > Maureen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: > 27/10/2007 11:02 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 59883 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Many thanks Keith, my next quest is to track down burial records. Marion M ----- Original Message ----- From: <Keithabrook@aol.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Moor Horse Race Hello Marion I may be able to help with locations here. In Bradford, Bankfoot is actually in full Wibsey Bank Foot, Bankfoot being located in Manchester Road, about ¼ north of Odsal Top. Bank Top is normally the shortened name of Horton Bank Top, but in this case perhaps not. The road running from Bankfoot, going uphill towards Wibsey is called Wibsey Bank and is quite steep, so it would be reasonable to assume that the Bank Top cited here, is the Wibsey end of Wibsey Bank. I would imagine that the most likely place for a burial from this area would be North Bierley Cemetery, which is located just off Halifax Road, and about ½mile from Odsal Top. I hope that this is of some small assitance Kindest regards Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Farrer" <maureenf@connexus.net.au> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Old Map Hi Mauren, it is Windhill I went to school there and very near at Wrose. Try looking at 1891 Census may help getting correct place name. Janet Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to find an old street map for 89 Valley Street Windmill c. > 1888. Is there any way I could find this online ? > Thanks, > Maureen in Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: > 27/10/2007 11:02 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 59825 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hello Marion I may be able to help with locations here. In Bradford, Bankfoot is actually in full Wibsey Bank Foot, Bankfoot being located in Manchester Road, about ¼ north of Odsal Top. Bank Top is normally the shortened name of Horton Bank Top, but in this case perhaps not. The road running from Bankfoot, going uphill towards Wibsey is called Wibsey Bank and is quite steep, so it would be reasonable to assume that the Bank Top cited here, is the Wibsey end of Wibsey Bank. I would imagine that the most likely place for a burial from this area would be North Bierley Cemetery, which is located just off Halifax Road, and about ½mile from Odsal Top. I hope that this is of some small assitance Kindest regards Keith

Leeds Intelligencer 14th October 1854 Bradford Races - fatal accident. Races have for some years been celebrated on Bradford Moor, and these annual sports were again commenced on Monday last. The races, however, have usually been run in the absence of all order and regulation. The course is unprotected and there is no person responsible for the management. Several races were run on Monday but we regret to say that they were attended with fatal consequences. In the first heat of the first race the rider of one of the horses was thrown, and received such injuries that he died the same evening. The unfortunate person was JOHN FLETCHER, of the Hare and Hounds Inn, Wibsey Bank Foot. The horse belonged to Mr Cliffe of Morley, butcher. it bolted from the course, and dashing amongst the crowd, leapt over a small cart which was standing in the way, caught with its hind legs upon the pony, and rolled upon the ground. Fletcher fell off and the horse rolled on him inflicting such injuries as to cause the man's death. The chief constable attended by several officers appeared on the ground on Tuesday afternoon, and stated that no races should take place, and warned all owners of horses against running. This had the desired effect, and though thousands of persons had assembled together there was suddenly an end to the whole affair. This is of interest to me as I think that the deceased jockey was one of my ancestors. When I got the death certificate for him I thought that the age was wrong (but if he was a jockey he may have been very small) So I ahve been trying to find other sources to give me more information. Unfortunately this newspaper article did not give his age of who his family might have been. The Directory for the leeds and Clothing Districts, Whites 1853, gives Hare and Hounds, Squire Tordoff, Bank Top. would this be the same place ? As I do not know the area , would any of you wise and knowledgeable folk know where someone would be buried in 1854 if they came from Wibsey Bank Top, my next hope is there might be a memorial inscription or burial record. Many thanks Marion M

Thank you to Liz and Marilyn for their suggestions on old maps, I will try to peruse them Maureen in Oz.