<Much snipping of original messages> > From: "Janet Ogden" <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> > >> Dave Sykes say's:- >> >> DNA of Sykes descendants from the Huddersfield area. All ten are from >> the R1b (Celtic) branch of the family. >> >> Our main thrust now is to locate where the R1a (Viking) branch of the >> family settled in Yorkshire. This branch constitutes 40% of the >> American Sykes that have donated DNA samples.... From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > I am afraid this is where my cynicism about DNA testing comes in. > > I agree with George Redmonds that the very prolific surname SYKES > (possibly the most common name in the Huddersfield and Colne Valley > area - if not, certainly one of them) must have multiple origins, since it > derives from the word "syke", being a stream or ditch often serving as a > boundary (Yorkshire Surnames Series Part Two: Huddersfield & District). > > I expect most of us remember in the early days of DNA testing, when > Prof Bryan Sykes of Oxford University produced his famous (infamous?) > report claiming that ALL Sykeses derive from a common progenitor. It > then emerged he had only tested about 65 men with the name! <snip> > My main criticism of DNA testing is this: OK, so testing may show that > two people share a common ancestor somewhere in the dim and distant > past, but it doesn't begin to tell you WHO that ancestor was or fill in > any of the gaps in between. This is true, but please try to curb your cynicism for a moment. As well as showing the likelihood of a link, DNA testing can also show its impossibility; if what Dave Sykes says about the R1a and R1b groups is true, then in this case it has proved its value, since it refutes the single origin hypothesis and corroborates what you and George Redmonds are asserting. Rather than complaining that DNA testing doesn't do something which it doesn't claim to do anyway, why not welcome the insights which it can provide alongside those of more traditional research? Arthur Kennedy

From: "Janet Ogden" <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> > Dave Sykes a very good friend of mine, needs help from > Direct > Male Line > Sykes in Yorkshire etc, . If you are search this Family, I will put > you in touch with him. I guarantee that it will not be disappointed, > and well worth your time. He say's:- > > DNA of Sykes descendants from the Huddersfield area. All ten are from > the R1b (Celtic) branch of the family. > > Our main thrust now is to locate where the R1a (Viking) branch of the > family settled in Yorkshire. This branch constitutes 40% of the > American Sykes that have donated DNA samples, yet I am the only one > who knows where his family lived in Yorkshire. I suspect that these > Vikings lived in the town of Almondbury, which was first settled by > Vikings, has a Viking name, and has a large present Sykes population, > none of whom have offered DNA samples as yet.> I am afraid this is where my cynicism about DNA testing comes in. I agree with George Redmonds that the very prolific surname SYKES (possibly the most common name in the Huddersfield and Colne Valley area - if not, certainly one of them) must have multiple origins, since it derives from the word "syke", being a stream or ditch often serving as a boundary (Yorkshire Surnames Series Part Two: Huddersfield & District). I expect most of us remember in the early days of DNA testing, when Prof Bryan Sykes of Oxford University produced his famous (infamous?) report claiming that ALL Sykeses derive from a common progenitor. It then emerged he had only tested about 65 men with the name! Sykes, in my view, is what we in the media used to call a rent-a-quote and will say anything to get publicity (and more funding for his work). It seems to me that Sykes is far too prolific a surname to be of much use in this area of testing. In any event, there certainly would not have been anyone called Sykes in Celtic and Viking times, since surnames did not exist then. They are a product of medieval times, post-Conquest. Let's not forget, also, that a fair number of Sykeses will turn out not to be Sykeses at all, due to what are called "non-paternity events", i.e. the mother played an away fixture! Some genealogists estimate these to be as high as 20 per cent of all births. My main criticism of DNA testing is this: OK, so testing may show that two people share a common ancestor somewhere in the dim and distant past, but it doesn't begin to tell you WHO that ancestor was or fill in any of the gaps in between. It may be romantic to say "Oh, yes, we descend from Vikings at Almondbury", but virtually all Yorkshire folk whose ancestry can be taken back several centuries in the county MUST descend from Vikings at some point! Also, from Anglo-Saxons and Celts, since the independent Celtic kingdom of Elmet survived into the 6th or 7th centuries. Due to the fact that the population of the whole of Britain was tiny at that time (only about 2 million in the Middle Ages, never mind in Viking times), the mathematical connundrum says we must all be ultimately related anyway, however distantly, so the point of DNA testing has yet to convince me! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Listers, Dave Sykes a very good friend of mine, needs help from Direct Male Line Sykes in Yorkshire etc, . If you are search this Family, I will put you in touch with him. I guarantee that it will not be disappointed, and well worth your time. He say's:- DNA of Sykes descendants from the Huddersfield area. All ten are from the R1b (Celtic) branch of the family. Our main thrust now is to locate where the R1a (Viking) branch of the family settled in Yorkshire. This branch constitutes 40% of the American Sykes that have donated DNA samples, yet I am the only one who knows where his family lived in Yorkshire. I suspect that these Vikings lived in the town of Almondbury, which was first settled by Vikings, has a Viking name, and has a large present Sykes population, none of whom have offered DNA samples as yet. Thank you. Janet Ogden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64719 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

----- Original Message ----- From: <JANR67A@aol.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] SYKES Hi Janet, if there is a List for Huddersfield that's where most Sykes came from. I can put you in touch with a friend of mine Dave Sykes if you like? Janet Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > Is anyone familiar with Samuel SYKES? The 1861 census of Liverpool shows > that he was born in Slaithwaite, Yorkshire and gives an age of 65 ... > making > birth ca. 1796. While I could not find them in 1851, the 1841 census > indicates > that Samuel's wife was Sarah and they had a son born about 1830 also > named > Samuel. Both these entries were in Liverpool and both show the > occupation of > police officer. > > Janet in California > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: > 18/01/2008 19:32 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64701 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Is anyone familiar with Samuel SYKES? The 1861 census of Liverpool shows that he was born in Slaithwaite, Yorkshire and gives an age of 65 ... making birth ca. 1796. While I could not find them in 1851, the 1841 census indicates that Samuel's wife was Sarah and they had a son born about 1830 also named Samuel. Both these entries were in Liverpool and both show the occupation of police officer. Janet in California **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Stephanie, There's a silver forum on the web where you can send a photo. it is at www.925-1000.com/forum/index.php It may be worth a try. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Lever" <salever1@rogers.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford antique? > Hello All, > > I am looking for some direction in getting information about a piece of > "silverware" that has been passed down from my Bradford ancestors who > emigrated to Canada between 1857 and 1871. So far I have figured out that > it probably isn't silver because there is no lion hallmark, which > indicates > British silver. Nor is there any other silver mark. My ancestors were not > rich people so it is probably a very ordinary silverplated spoon. One of > the > marks looks like it could be a boar, Bradford's symbol. Another looks like > it could be a sheaf of wheat. I have looked for the Hallmarks in reference > books but have not found them. > > I note from the Genuki webpage on Bradford and the Pigots and Baines > directories that there were no silversmiths in Bradford in those years > (1822, 1829 and 1834). There were however, Cutlers, Tinsmiths and > Whitesmiths. > > My question is this. Is anyone from the list, aware of an antique and > collectible dealer in the Bradford area, to whom I could send an image? > Perhaps > they would be able to tell me if the spoon was locally made. > I have consulted antique dealers here and no one recognizes the marks. I > have tried Google but am not getting anywhere. > > While a simple spoon may seem insignificant, it may tell me something > about > my ancestors. I like to look beyond the basics; names, dates, occupations > etc. > > Cheers and thanks, > Stephanie Lever > (researching Halliday, Sutcliffe and Hemingway) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: > 16/01/2008 09:01 > >

From: "Stephanie Lever" <salever1@rogers.com> > I am looking for some direction in getting information about a piece > of "silverware" that has been passed down from my Bradford ancestors > who emigrated to Canada between 1857 and 1871. So far I have figured > out that it probably isn't silver because there is no lion hallmark, > which indicates British silver. Nor is there any other silver mark. > My ancestors were not rich people so it is probably a very ordinary > silverplated spoon. One of the marks looks like it could be a boar, > Bradford's symbol. Another looks like it could be a sheaf of wheat. I > have looked for the Hallmarks in reference books but have not found > them. > > I note from the Genuki webpage on Bradford and the Pigots and Baines > directories that there were no silversmiths in Bradford in those years > (1822, 1829 and 1834). There were however, Cutlers, Tinsmiths and > Whitesmiths. > > My question is this. Is anyone from the list, aware of an antique and > collectible dealer in the Bradford area, to whom I could send an > image? Perhaps they would be able to tell me if the spoon was locally > made. I have consulted antique dealers here and no one recognizes the > marks. I have tried Google but am not getting anywhere. > > While a simple spoon may seem insignificant, it may tell me something > about my ancestors. I like to look beyond the basics; names, dates, > occupations etc. > > Cheers and thanks, > Stephanie Lever > (researching Halliday, Sutcliffe and Hemingway)> Try the famous Bradford jewellers, Fattorini's, who were founded in 1827 (so they ought to be in the trade directories you consulted). They were in Bradford for well over 100 years and, though I don't think they have a shop there now, they still have a number of branches. Their website is... http://www.fattorini.co.uk/pages/fattorini_home.asp -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello All, I am looking for some direction in getting information about a piece of "silverware" that has been passed down from my Bradford ancestors who emigrated to Canada between 1857 and 1871. So far I have figured out that it probably isn't silver because there is no lion hallmark, which indicates British silver. Nor is there any other silver mark. My ancestors were not rich people so it is probably a very ordinary silverplated spoon. One of the marks looks like it could be a boar, Bradford's symbol. Another looks like it could be a sheaf of wheat. I have looked for the Hallmarks in reference books but have not found them. I note from the Genuki webpage on Bradford and the Pigots and Baines directories that there were no silversmiths in Bradford in those years (1822, 1829 and 1834). There were however, Cutlers, Tinsmiths and Whitesmiths. My question is this. Is anyone from the list, aware of an antique and collectible dealer in the Bradford area, to whom I could send an image? Perhaps they would be able to tell me if the spoon was locally made. I have consulted antique dealers here and no one recognizes the marks. I have tried Google but am not getting anywhere. While a simple spoon may seem insignificant, it may tell me something about my ancestors. I like to look beyond the basics; names, dates, occupations etc. Cheers and thanks, Stephanie Lever (researching Halliday, Sutcliffe and Hemingway)

Hi Keith, My name is Sharon Pollard and I initiated that discussion on the Alhambra Hotel. Jane Winpenny (Whitaker), wife of Samuel was a sister to my ancestor John Whitaker. John named one of his sons, Samuel Winpenny Whitaker, named I am assuming after his sister's brother. Samuel is my great grandfather. I was researching this family when I came across the entry in the 1881 census. I thought it was an interesting entry and inquired of the list about the Alhambra Hotel. Members of the list were quite helpful to me. As a postscript, Samuel and Jane (Whitaker) Winpenny and my great grandfather Samuel Winpenny Whitaker, left England around 1890 and settled in Lawrence, MA, USA. A large number of people from Bradford settled in the Lawrence, MA area. Thanks again, Sharon Pollard, Massachusetts, USA -------------- Original message -------------- From: Keithabrook@aol.com > Greetings Listers > > A Happy New Year to all. > > Several months ago there was dialogue on the above establishment, which > petered out, parially because mention of the Alhambra Theatre cropped up, and, > while being interesting, was totally irrelevant to the original issue. > > It appeared to be quite mysterious and to add to the mystery, there was no > mention of this 'hotel' in the excellent book "The Public House in Bradford, > 1770-1970", by Paul Jennings, a copy of which I possess. > > While doing research on another topic, I was studying the 1881 Census for > England > Yorkshire > Horton in Bradford > District 47, page 21. At 25 Hope > Street, the Alhambra Hotel! The occupants were: Samuel Winpenny, married, age > 37, beer seller, b. Bradford; his wife Jane Winpenny, also 37 and a beer > seller, b. Bradford; Nathaniel Winpenny, brother, age 29, a stuff warp dresser. > > I hope that this information will be of use to anybody who might find it > interesting. > > Kindest regards > > Keith > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers A Happy New Year to all. Several months ago there was dialogue on the above establishment, which petered out, parially because mention of the Alhambra Theatre cropped up, and, while being interesting, was totally irrelevant to the original issue. It appeared to be quite mysterious and to add to the mystery, there was no mention of this 'hotel' in the excellent book "The Public House in Bradford, 1770-1970", by Paul Jennings, a copy of which I possess. While doing research on another topic, I was studying the 1881 Census for England > Yorkshire > Horton in Bradford > District 47, page 21. At 25 Hope Street, the Alhambra Hotel! The occupants were: Samuel Winpenny, married, age 37, beer seller, b. Bradford; his wife Jane Winpenny, also 37 and a beer seller, b. Bradford; Nathaniel Winpenny, brother, age 29, a stuff warp dresser. I hope that this information will be of use to anybody who might find it interesting. Kindest regards Keith

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Jarvis" <harbro.town@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence Hi Ros, I got the copy many thanks. Regards Janet > Hello Janet > > I did send to the address another lister suggested - did it reach you? > > Ros > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Ogden > Sent: 07 January 2008 02:27 > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ros Jarvis" <ros_.jarvis@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:48 PM > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence > > Hi Ros, > is this better? or I have a hotmail address? > Ivor_Ogden@hotmail.com > > Many thanks Janet > > >> Hello Janet >> >> >> >> I cannot see a personal email and if I send it to the list it will get >> stripped. How can I send you a copy? >> >> >> >> Ros >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: >> 04/01/2008 12:05 >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 64263 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: > 07/01/2008 09:14 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64349 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hello Janet I did send to the address another lister suggested - did it reach you? Ros -----Original Message----- From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Ogden Sent: 07 January 2008 02:27 To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Jarvis" <ros_.jarvis@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence Hi Ros, is this better? or I have a hotmail address? Ivor_Ogden@hotmail.com Many thanks Janet > Hello Janet > > > > I cannot see a personal email and if I send it to the list it will get > stripped. How can I send you a copy? > > > > Ros > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: > 04/01/2008 12:05 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64263 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks John, Judith and Janet for your help.... I think I'm going to have to wait for the 1911 census to come out and do some tracking then.... it won't be too long!! The Three Jays... sounds like a Pat Smythe pony book.... or am I showing my age too much!!!! Cheers Caroline

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Jarvis" <ros_.jarvis@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] marriage licence Hi Ros, is this better? or I have a hotmail address? Ivor_Ogden@hotmail.com Many thanks Janet > Hello Janet > > > > I cannot see a personal email and if I send it to the list it will get > stripped. How can I send you a copy? > > > > Ros > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: > 04/01/2008 12:05 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64263 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon Hi Judith, my Great Grandad, came from Stagsden in Bedfordshire to be Gardener at the Knoll, he still in Stagsden on the 1871, but he was married at Calveley 29 Jan 1877 and living at Baildon Wood Bottom in 1881 I think James Street, he is buried at the small Cemetery across the road from there. All the best Janet > Hi Janet > > The Knoll was built and owned by Charles STEAD who was a partner of Titus > SALT. Titus built Ferniehurst for his eldest son, Edward. > > This information was taken from a book which I have entitled 'The Story > of Baildon' by John La Page. Unfortunately, there are not any dates > attributed to the building of the above houses. > > Kind regards > > Judith > > > Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.S.Wilkinson" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon > > > Hi Both, > Did it belong to Salt's Mill? or was that the Knoll? There > will be maps and things in Bradford Library. Janet >> Hi Caroline >> >> Ferniehurst may have been a private house. >> There is a Ferniehurst First School at Baildon Wood Bottom. The school >> could >> have been built on the site of the house, and it may be worth contacting >> Bradford central library, or the archives, they may have the answer. >> >> Regards John >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline >> Gaden >> Sent: 03 January 2008 01:08 >> To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon >> >> Hello Listers >> I am researching Charles Henry Ford who was a valet in Ferniehurst, >> Baildon >> when he married in 1912. Is there any way I can find where he may have >> been >> working at this time? I've checked out the Baildon website at >> http://www.baildon.org.uk/ and Googled Ferniehurst and there are >> obviously >> a >> >> few 'big' houses, but they seemed to have been 'active' prior to the >> 1900s. >> CHF was not in the area in the 1901 census. Is there a 1911 census record >> available for the area where he may turn up? [He then enlisted in the >> army >> and died in WWI] >> Any other suggestions gratefully received. >> All the best >> Caroline >> Northern NSW >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: >> 29/12/2007 >> 13:27 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: >> 29/12/2007 >> 13:27 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1208 - Release Date: >> 03/01/2008 15:52 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 64235 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: > 04/01/2008 12:05 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64263 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi Janet The Knoll was built and owned by Charles STEAD who was a partner of Titus SALT. Titus built Ferniehurst for his eldest son, Edward. This information was taken from a book which I have entitled 'The Story of Baildon' by John La Page. Unfortunately, there are not any dates attributed to the building of the above houses. Kind regards Judith Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.S.Wilkinson" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon Hi Both, Did it belong to Salt's Mill? or was that the Knoll? There will be maps and things in Bradford Library. Janet > Hi Caroline > > Ferniehurst may have been a private house. > There is a Ferniehurst First School at Baildon Wood Bottom. The school > could > have been built on the site of the house, and it may be worth contacting > Bradford central library, or the archives, they may have the answer. > > Regards John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Gaden > Sent: 03 January 2008 01:08 > To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon > > Hello Listers > I am researching Charles Henry Ford who was a valet in Ferniehurst, > Baildon > when he married in 1912. Is there any way I can find where he may have > been > working at this time? I've checked out the Baildon website at > http://www.baildon.org.uk/ and Googled Ferniehurst and there are obviously > a > > few 'big' houses, but they seemed to have been 'active' prior to the > 1900s. > CHF was not in the area in the 1901 census. Is there a 1911 census record > available for the area where he may turn up? [He then enlisted in the army > and died in WWI] > Any other suggestions gratefully received. > All the best > Caroline > Northern NSW > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 29/12/2007 > 13:27 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 29/12/2007 > 13:27 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1208 - Release Date: > 03/01/2008 15:52 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 64235 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a useful piece of information Janet. I looked at theBradford FHSoc site, and shall certainly join. Their link scheme is a great idea, as I am sure there are a lot of people like me that have done the necessary research, but are unable to get to where the information is held. I should be happy not just to pay the expenses involved, but to make a donation for the time involved too, and thereby maybe help their research as well. Regards Margaret Switzerland On 4 Jan 2008, at 22:01, Janet Ogden wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Elliott" <meelliott@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue Hi Margaret, why not use Bradford FHSoc', Link Scheme, only pay for Photo copies and out of pocket expense may be bus fare. Regards Janet In message <mailman.50797.1199400814.18604.eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com>, eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com writes >> Thomas HAIGH and Mary LISTER were married by licence with >> consent of parents in Bradford Cathedral on 2/7/1818.

Hello Janet I cannot see a personal email and if I send it to the list it will get stripped. How can I send you a copy? Ros

Hello Janet I cannot see a personal email and if I send it to the list it will get stripped. How can I send you a copy? Ros -----Original Message----- From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Ogden Sent: 04 January 2008 21:42 To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Jarvis" <harbro.town@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Hi Jos, I would love to have a copy Thanks Janet > If you want to see the original of a marriage licence, I have one for 1831 > which was somehow preserved in my husband's family and is now in my > possession. > > I can scan it and send as an attachment to anyone interested > > Ros > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Wood > Sent: 04 January 2008 10:28 > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 > > In message > <mailman.50797.1199400814.18604.eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com>, > eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com writes >>> Thomas HAIGH and Mary LISTER were married by licence with >>> consent of parents in Bradford Cathedral on 2/7/1818. > > Hello Margaret > > Although you may not be able to see the marriage licence itself (as Roy > Stockdill confirmed) the marriage Bonds and Allegations (as they are > called) > have been transcribed and published by Borthwick Institute, York. > > You should be able to find the application for the Licence in the > transcription. A copy is available in Bradford Central Library. It > should > give you additional information as to the Parish of origin and ages of the > putative bride and groom as well as the Church(s) contemplated for the > ceremony > > Peter R Wood in the Isle of Man > > Researching:- > > WOOD of Bramley, Leeds and Bradford and thereabouts > WILLIAMSON of Rawdon, Guiseley, Yeadon and Bradford > > > -------------------------------

Many thanks John, that's a good idea, I'll contact them All the best Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.S.Wilkinson" <jswilks@lineone.net> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon > > > Hi Caroline > > Ferniehurst may have been a private house. > There is a Ferniehurst First School at Baildon Wood Bottom. The school > could > have been built on the site of the house, and it may be worth contacting > Bradford central library, or the archives, they may have the answer. > > Regards John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Gaden > Sent: 03 January 2008 01:08 > To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Charles Henry Ford of Ferniehurst, Baildon > > Hello Listers > I am researching Charles Henry Ford who was a valet in Ferniehurst, > Baildon > when he married in 1912. Is there any way I can find where he may have > been > working at this time? I've checked out the Baildon website at > http://www.baildon.org.uk/ and Googled Ferniehurst and there are obviously > a > > few 'big' houses, but they seemed to have been 'active' prior to the > 1900s. > CHF was not in the area in the 1901 census. Is there a 1911 census record > available for the area where he may turn up? [He then enlisted in the army > and died in WWI] > Any other suggestions gratefully received. > All the best > Caroline > Northern NSW > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 29/12/2007 > 13:27 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 29/12/2007 > 13:27 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: > 4/01/2008 12:05 PM > >