Hi Robyn, There may be other resources which I know nothing about but I have received copies of wills using this site http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/index.htm They provide the forms to apply and search over a 5 year period for a small amount. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn and Peter" <rnesbitt@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Denbigh Family in Bradford > Hi > > It is a long time since I have joined a mailing list and hope some one may > be able to help me. Elizabeth Moss Denbigh died 1895 in Bradford and her > husband john Brooke Denbigh died in 1919 again I think in Bradford. Is > there any list available to see if they left a will. In the 1871,1881, > 1891 census he was listed as a Stuff Warehouse Manager or involved in that > industry in Bradford. > > Thank you from Robyn in New South Wales Aussie land > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine, I've tracked my DUCKITs back to 1758. Where John had children born to him in Knowbank (kids being christened in Rylstone). I wonder if they originated even farther north like Horton in Ribblesdale. Have you got anyDuckits in your line with ties to the Knowbank and Rylstone areas? Thanks for your reply! (Sorry for the delay, an unexpected event took place for our family shortly after my post.) Lisa> From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:30:36 +0000> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT> > From: "yorkshire123" <yorkshire123@blueyonder.co.uk>> > > My DUCKETT family originate in Horton in Ribblesdale> > and after 1881 appear in Bingley/Keighley> > > > Christine> > nee DUCKETT> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lisa Warnes" <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> > To: "Bradford mailing List" <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:06 PM> > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT> > > > > > > > Hello,> > > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > > > Lisa <> > Both of you may be interested to know that there is a one-name study of > DUCKET/DUCKETT. Go to the Guild of One-Name Studies' website, www.one-> name.org and click on Registered Names, then follow the alphabetical link to > the person who runs it.> > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Hi Chris! I have found a Mary Ann FORREST marrying my James Rawnsley in 1835. She was born in Knaresboro, Yorkshire abt 1813. I've narrowed her down to a few possibilities on the IGI but am looking for others who may have connections. Thanks for your reply!! Lisa> From: chris@masquerade.demon.co.uk> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:41:57 +0000> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST> > Just to put some meat on Roy's request for detail - there were 65 people> with the surname FORREST said by the 1881 census index on Ancestry's> web-site to be living in Bradford. I didn't look at those in the UK said to> be born in Bradford. I suspect that looking at the other on-line indices of> the UK censuses would add many hundreds more.> > If you let us know whose line you're interested in, at what time and what> you've done so far, we may be able to help. Personally, I haven't the time> to do a complete run down of the FORREST name living in, or born in,> Bradford since 1837. However, I'm very willing to handle a smaller enquiry.> > Chris> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill> Sent: 31 January 2008 09:46> To: Bradford mailing List> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST> > > From: Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?>> > See my message re RAWNSLEY! The same applies to this query. You must> be more specific if you wamt serious help. Just to ask if anyone is> researching> a surname is far too vague. As I explained earlier, you may be flooded with> replies, many of which may have no relevance at all. They simply over-load> the> list and waste bandwidth and downloading time. To re-iterate.....> > Say WHICH Forrest family you are interested in, i.e. something like "Is> anyone researching the ancestry and descendants of MARMADUKE> FORREST, sagger-maker's bottom knocker, of Great Horton, Bradford, and his> wife, Maisie, nee SNODGRASS, who had 17 children between 1860 and> 1885?" A slight exaggeration on my part, but this is to give you the idea.> > Also don't just post WHO you are interested in but WHAT you have done so> far yourself. For instance, you may get people posting that they have> Forrests> in the 1881 and 1891 censuses and you may post messages in reply, saying> "Oh, I've done all that", thus wasting everyone's time! Be precise about who> you're looking for and what you've already done.> > Get the idea?> > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,> and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

Hi Charlotte, My Rawnsley line goes back to: John RAWNSLEY b 1776 in Yorkshire he married Nancey STAVELEY, born abt 1770 in Yorkshire. I have a some of the line of descedants but haven't yet come across a Seanna. I do come from a Hannah RAWNSLEY b 1854 in Yorkshire. Let me know if you need more info. Thank you for your reply. Lisa > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:59:41 -0500> From: WALKERCZ@oneonta.edu> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com; eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 (Rawnsley)> > Hi-- I'm a little late in replying to this, but I do have one Rawnslely connection in my family tree, since one of my (not direct) ancestors, a Walker, married a Seanna Rawnsley (her name is misspelled in some census records as Hanna). I'd be glad to compare notes.> Best wishes-- Charlotte Walker, Gilbertsville, NY> > > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu 1/31/2008 3:05 AM> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Subject: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. WHEATER (yorkshire123)> 2. RAWNSLEY (Lisa Warnes)> 3. Mann (Lisa Warnes)> 4. FORREST (Lisa Warnes)> 5. DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT (Lisa Warnes)> 6. Re: DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT (yorkshire123)> 7. Varley (Dianne & Lyndon Wild)> 8. DRAKE (martin.critchley@virgin.net)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:21:28 -0000> From: "yorkshire123" <yorkshire123@blueyonder.co.uk>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] WHEATER> To: <eng-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <016801c86386$1398fd20$70cc644d@yourby3nr533ht>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";> reply-type=original> > Hi> Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> Christine> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:02:05 -0700> From: Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] RAWNSLEY> To: Bradford mailing List <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BAY104-W31A93FEFC81B99298779B4C4360@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hello List,> > Does anyone have connections with the RAWNSLEY line?> > _________________________________________________________________> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:05:23 -0700> From: Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Mann> To: Bradford mailing List <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BAY104-W29CA75E0127D4F63C9AC04C4360@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hello!> > Is there anyone on the list who is researching this name in the Bradford area?> Lisa> _________________________________________________________________> Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power.> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:06:09 -0700> From: Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST> To: Bradford mailing List <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BAY104-W64302D458260CEF7DDA5EC4360@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hello!> > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > Thank you,> Lisa> _________________________________________________________________> Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> http://biggestloser.msn.com/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:06:59 -0700> From: Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT> To: Bradford mailing List <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BAY104-W10193D6B1959BFE3DF46F2C4360@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hello,> > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > Lisa> _________________________________________________________________> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix".> http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:14:57 -0000> From: "yorkshire123" <yorkshire123@blueyonder.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <003801c86395$ee603ae0$70cc644d@yourby3nr533ht>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Hi> My DUCKETT family originate in Horton in Ribblesdale> and after 1881 appear in Bingley/Keighley> > Christine> nee DUCKETT> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Warnes" <lisawarnes@hotmail.com>> To: "Bradford mailing List" <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:06 PM> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] DUCKITT/ DUCKIT/ DUCKETT> > > > Hello,> > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > Lisa> _________________________________________________________________> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your > "fix".> http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 30/01/2008 > 09:29> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:52:48 +1100> From: "Dianne & Lyndon Wild" <wild13s@bigpond.net.au>> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Varley> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <9ACEC03F03594DDDBE3B921845641820@WildPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi, is anyone on the list researching the Varley family from Horton.> > Dianne> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:09:36 -0000> From: martin.critchley@virgin.net> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] DRAKE> To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47A111C0.22814.5E5D2E@martin.critchley.virgin.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > Hello,> Is anyone on the list researching the DRAKE family of Bradford and > Halifax. My earliest known DRAKE, is Moses DRAKE (stonemason) born in > Bradford in 1804, the son of John & Mary Drake of Bradford.> Regards> Martin> > Worsley> Lancashire> UK> > > ------------------------------> > To contact the ENG-YKS-BRADFORD list administrator, send an email to> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-admin@rootsweb.com.> > To post a message to the ENG-YKS-BRADFORD mailing list, send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com.> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19> ***********************************************> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Hello Trevor and Jennifer, I'm sorry for the delay in responding. We had a major change come to our family the day after I posted and I'm just getting back to my mail. Thank you for your responses. My Forrest connection is: Mary Ann FORREST, born abt 1813 in Knaresboro and died in the 1850's in Mannington. (she married James RAWNSLEY 06 Jul 1835 in Bradford, Yorkshire.) Hope this helps narrow down the perspectus. Thank you all! (and thanks for the link!) Lisa > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:41:38 +0100> From: jjwaller@gmail.com> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Forrest + the Wharfedale and Craven link> > Trevor,> > Thanks for that great link. I hadn't come across it before and it really> will be helpful as many of my folks are from the Skipton, Craven area.> > Thanks also to Lisa for making the original enquiry that prompted your> reply!> > And while I understand the point you're making, Roy, about having to be> precise in your queries, this is one example of where vagueness has led to a> useful exchange of information.> > All other tips about sites or sources for the Skipton area are most welcome.> Of course, I can do a google check for them (I'm a google addict, in fact)> but there's no harm in asking...> > Jennifer> > On Feb 3, 2008 9:05 AM, <eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com> wrote:> > >> >> > Message: 1> > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 02:49:09 +1100> > From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au>> > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST> > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:> > <a76dfda20802020749g163fc9b2x61cf11ee850753f6@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> >> > On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hello!> > >> > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > >> > > Thank you,> > > Lisa> >> >> >> > I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it,> > except> > as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of further> > information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with your research.> >> > There is an interesting site you might want to look at, however. It is> > the> > Wharfedale and Craven Genealogical Society's site at> > http://wharfegen.org.uk> >> > There is a line of FORRESTs in their data base leading back to Hugh> > FORREST> > b. ca 1603-1623.> >> > Might be worth looking at. Of course, you would never take this> > information> > and apply it to your own research without checking all the sources to make> > sure you are on the right track!!> >> > HTH> >> > Trevor> >> >> > >> >> >> > ------------------------------> >> > Message: 2> > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000> > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>> > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST> > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47A4B9C3.31431.1AF08F8@localhost>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> >> > From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au>> >> > > On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Hello!> > > >> > > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area?> > > >> > > > Thank you,> > > > Lisa> > >> > >> > >> > > I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it,> > > except as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of> > > further information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with> > > your research.>> >> > Precisely my point, to which Lisa has not yet responded. She is just> > wasting her own and everybody else's time by posting such vague> > queries. As I predicted, people will respond without having a clue which> > family she is talking about. I hope she has at least taken this on board!> >> > --> > Roy Stockdill> > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:> > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> >> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,> > and that is not being talked about."> > OSCAR WILDE> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------> > *****************> >> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

hello, I'm probably coming a bit late into this - and it's some months since I was in the Great Horton area - but isn't the George and Dragon the pub quite close to the Hollybank area - at the Junction of Great Horton Road and Dracup Street - just below Bartle Lane? A quick look on the internet shows it as:- Address: 734 Great Horton Rd, Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 4EY [map] [gmap] Tel: 01274 770069 - and putting the postcode into Google Earth should zoom you into the location. best wishes George --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! &#45; a smarter inbox.

The following family is on Fitzroy (sp?) Rd. in Bradford in 1901. Thomas Dennison 30, wife Ellen 31, daughter Emily 4. All 3 born in Bradford. Thomas is a postman. Does any know the ancestry of this family or can they point towards some information on it? I've checked earlier census and BMD indexes but nothing is obvious. I'm doing this for a third party. They asked me as I have Denison ancestors from Rawdon and they noticed some posting I had on them. John in snowy Vancouver

Thanks. No Baldwins as such on the relevant dates but well worth knowing about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > Hello > > Have you tried:- > > www.castlegarden.org > > This is the place where immigrants went through before Ellis Island was > opened. I have generally found more hits here by just inserting the > surname rather than a Christian name. Some people were just listed as Mr > or by their initial. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > > Volpone <volpone@btinternet.com> wrote: > Many thanks for the response > > I had thought of the possibility but up to now have considered it a > long-shot. And, of course, the means of checking are rather limited - and > expensive. Passenger lists do not appear to be available prior to 1890 and > passport applications do not appear to be covered by this period. Also, > there was a limited time scale between early 1871 when Walter BALDWIN was > in > Horton and early 1874 when he was certainly in Bradford - or at least Mary > must have been! > > But you have given me room for more thought on the possibility > > And, coincidentally, I recently discovered an American cousin from another > side of the family who seems to be interested in family history so I will > see if she can research anything from her end. > > Thanks for the help > > Geoff Longbottom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > > >> From: "Volpone" >> >>> According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my >>> great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. >>> She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in >>> Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a >>> lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first >>> child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any >>> record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of >>> course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary >>> SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have >>> been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her >>> Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the >>> registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that >>> she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious >>> reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family >>> would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary >>> Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 >>> census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace >>> Thanks for any ideas. >>> >>> Geoff Longbottom> >> >> Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if >> Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to >> England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would >> make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would >> be a record of it. >> >> Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted >> manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world >> in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong >> business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or >> he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for your help Dave and Liz. I managed to find an old map whici sounds similar to yours and I also believe it is correct that it is now Holly Bank Road - it also fits the enumeration for Horton in the census. Still no sign of the pub as the one in Gt Horton is not the one. Can one request maps from Bradford library do you know. Commercial ones are so expensive they are not viable. I am not close enough to Bradford to visit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pickles" <dave@pickles.me.uk> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Dog Lane Horton > >> >I am trying to discover the location of Dog Lane, Horton. Does anyone >> > know where it was located - any old maps that may point to it or >> > references in modern maps to locate the approximate location. Also >> > there is reference to the George and Dragon pub - the only map I have >> > managed to access shows a Kings Arms but no G & D.. > > I have an old (undated) map with Dog Lane marked. It is a dog-legged road > which ran between Hollingwood Lane and Great Horton Road (which was called > High Street on my map). I'm fairly certain that it's the same as Holly > Bank Road, Great Horton on a modern map. > > Unfortunately it's nowhere near Liz's George and Dragon at the top of > Cemetery Road. > -- > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: > 01/02/2008 09:59 >

Hello Have you tried:- www.castlegarden.org This is the place where immigrants went through before Ellis Island was opened. I have generally found more hits here by just inserting the surname rather than a Christian name. Some people were just listed as Mr or by their initial. Kind regards Judith K Volpone <volpone@btinternet.com> wrote: Many thanks for the response I had thought of the possibility but up to now have considered it a long-shot. And, of course, the means of checking are rather limited - and expensive. Passenger lists do not appear to be available prior to 1890 and passport applications do not appear to be covered by this period. Also, there was a limited time scale between early 1871 when Walter BALDWIN was in Horton and early 1874 when he was certainly in Bradford - or at least Mary must have been! But you have given me room for more thought on the possibility And, coincidentally, I recently discovered an American cousin from another side of the family who seems to be interested in family history so I will see if she can research anything from her end. Thanks for the help Geoff Longbottom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > From: "Volpone" > >> According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my >> great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. >> She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in >> Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a >> lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first >> child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any >> record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of >> course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary >> SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have >> been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her >> Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the >> registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that >> she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious >> reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family >> would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary >> Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 >> census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace >> Thanks for any ideas. >> >> Geoff Longbottom> > > Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if > Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to > England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would > make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would > be a record of it. > > Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted > manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world > in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong > business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or > he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for the response I had thought of the possibility but up to now have considered it a long-shot. And, of course, the means of checking are rather limited - and expensive. Passenger lists do not appear to be available prior to 1890 and passport applications do not appear to be covered by this period. Also, there was a limited time scale between early 1871 when Walter BALDWIN was in Horton and early 1874 when he was certainly in Bradford - or at least Mary must have been! But you have given me room for more thought on the possibility And, coincidentally, I recently discovered an American cousin from another side of the family who seems to be interested in family history so I will see if she can research anything from her end. Thanks for the help Geoff Longbottom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Baldwin/Sullivan > From: "Volpone" <volpone@btinternet.com> > >> According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my >> great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. >> She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in >> Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a >> lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first >> child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any >> record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of >> course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary >> SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have >> been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her >> Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the >> registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that >> she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious >> reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family >> would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary >> Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 >> census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace >> Thanks for any ideas. >> >> Geoff Longbottom> > > Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if > Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to > England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would > make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would > be a record of it. > > Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted > manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world > in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong > business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or > he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: "Volpone" <volpone@btinternet.com> > According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my > great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. > She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in > Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a > lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first > child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any > record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of > course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary > SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have > been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her > Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the > registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that > she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious > reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family > would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary > Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 > census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace > Thanks for any ideas. > > Geoff Longbottom> Have you considered the possibility that they married in America, if Walter had gone to a job over there and then brought Mary back to England? I can't see that her religion or being born in America would make any difference. If they were married in Bradford, then there would be a record of it. Walter was obviously from Bradford and a woollen worker in a worsted manufacturer's (1881 census). Bradford was the wool capital of the world in those times and the city's wool merchants would have had strong business links with America. Maybe his employer sent Walter across or he emigrated, met and married Mary and decided to return to Bradford. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi I am new to this list although I have been following threads for a little time. So I hope I have got the method right. According to the census returns of 1881 and 1891, my great-grandmother, Mary SULLIVAN was born in New York, USA in 1849. She "married" my great-grandfather, Walter Baldwin (born 1846 in Horton, Bradford) sometime between 1871 when Walter is shown to be a lodger in Horton and unmarried and, presumably, 1874 when their first child William was born. However, I have never been able to find any record of the marriage between 1865 and 1880. It is possible, of course, that they never married. It also occurs to me that Mary SULLIVAN from New York and with probable Irish ancestry may well have been Catholic at birth. The question, therefore, is would her Catholicism - if that is what she was - have any bearing upon the registration of a marriage at that time. Or, possibly, the fact that she was an immigrant have any bearing. Also, are there any obvious reasons I may have missed as to why a probable Irish/American family would emigrate to Bradford in the 1860's. There are no obvious Mary Sullivans claiming to have been born in the USA in the 1861 or 1871 census returns but, of course, many claiming an Irish birthplace Thanks for any ideas. Geoff Longbottom

Trevor, Thanks for that great link. I hadn't come across it before and it really will be helpful as many of my folks are from the Skipton, Craven area. Thanks also to Lisa for making the original enquiry that prompted your reply! And while I understand the point you're making, Roy, about having to be precise in your queries, this is one example of where vagueness has led to a useful exchange of information. All other tips about sites or sources for the Skipton area are most welcome. Of course, I can do a google check for them (I'm a google addict, in fact) but there's no harm in asking... Jennifer On Feb 3, 2008 9:05 AM, <eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 02:49:09 +1100 > From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <a76dfda20802020749g163fc9b2x61cf11ee850753f6@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello! > > > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area? > > > > Thank you, > > Lisa > > > > I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it, > except > as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of further > information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with your research. > > There is an interesting site you might want to look at, however. It is > the > Wharfedale and Craven Genealogical Society's site at > http://wharfegen.org.uk > > There is a line of FORRESTs in their data base leading back to Hugh > FORREST > b. ca 1603-1623. > > Might be worth looking at. Of course, you would never take this > information > and apply it to your own research without checking all the sources to make > sure you are on the right track!! > > HTH > > Trevor > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FORREST > To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <47A4B9C3.31431.1AF08F8@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > > > On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it, > > except as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of > > further information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with > > your research.> > > Precisely my point, to which Lisa has not yet responded. She is just > wasting her own and everybody else's time by posting such vague > queries. As I predicted, people will respond without having a clue which > family she is talking about. I hope she has at least taken this on board! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------ > ***************** >

On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello! > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area? > > Thank you, > Lisa I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it, except as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of further information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with your research. There is an interesting site you might want to look at, however. It is the Wharfedale and Craven Genealogical Society's site at http://wharfegen.org.uk There is a line of FORRESTs in their data base leading back to Hugh FORREST b. ca 1603-1623. Might be worth looking at. Of course, you would never take this information and apply it to your own research without checking all the sources to make sure you are on the right track!! HTH Trevor >

Well done Janet and also to Ken. Looks like you will have lots of goodies to keep us occupied soon. I can't wait. I have got the Eccleshill CD thinking that some of my RILEY's and DEAN's might be buried there, but no. It is some of the DEAN's who are buried in Wyke Moravian. Many thanks for your replies. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Ogden" <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel Hi Judith, it was me and Ramond who did it, and Ken is doung checking, he did grave yard all by himself and we have done MI's of the Cermation Stones as well. Hope he has almost done it! he did Eccleshill on out on CD £6 I think Janet > Hello Janet > > Many thanks for that. Just another thing to put on my 'to do' list when > come to Bradford next. > > Good to hear about the Horton Circuit and looking forward to seeing it > finished. I have so many people buried in Wadehouse and also Witchfield. > > I saw on a website I was on last night that the Bradford FHS had started > transcribing Scholemoor about 4 years ago - is this right? > > Many thanks for your help. > > Judith > > > Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:06 PM > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel > > Hi Judith, > try Arthur Blackburn Bfd Library. we are on last part of > Wade House part of the Horton Circuit now Janet > > >> Helo >> >> Does anyone know if either the Burial Register or the Headstones at Wyke >> Moravian Chapel have been transcribed? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Judith K >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: >> 01/02/2008 09:59 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: > 01/02/2008 09:59 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 01/02/2008 09:59

From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > On 31/01/2008, Lisa Warnes <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello! > > > > Is anyone on the list researching this name in the Bradford area? > > > > Thank you, > > Lisa > > > > I have FORREST in a collateral line so have done no research on it, > except as it fits in to my main lines. In any case, in the absence of > further information, there is no way of knowing if it connects with > your research.> Precisely my point, to which Lisa has not yet responded. She is just wasting her own and everybody else's time by posting such vague queries. As I predicted, people will respond without having a clue which family she is talking about. I hope she has at least taken this on board! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel Hi Judith, it was me and Ramond who did it, and Ken is doung checking, he did grave yard all by himself and we have done MI's of the Cermation Stones as well. Hope he has almost done it! he did Eccleshill on out on CD £6 I think Janet > Hello Janet > > Many thanks for that. Just another thing to put on my 'to do' list when > come to Bradford next. > > Good to hear about the Horton Circuit and looking forward to seeing it > finished. I have so many people buried in Wadehouse and also Witchfield. > > I saw on a website I was on last night that the Bradford FHS had started > transcribing Scholemoor about 4 years ago - is this right? > > Many thanks for your help. > > Judith > > > Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:06 PM > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel > > Hi Judith, > try Arthur Blackburn Bfd Library. we are on last part of > Wade House part of the Horton Circuit now Janet > > >> Helo >> >> Does anyone know if either the Burial Register or the Headstones at Wyke >> Moravian Chapel have been transcribed? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Judith K >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: >> 01/02/2008 09:59 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: > 01/02/2008 09:59 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hello Janet Many thanks for that. Just another thing to put on my 'to do' list when come to Bradford next. Good to hear about the Horton Circuit and looking forward to seeing it finished. I have so many people buried in Wadehouse and also Witchfield. I saw on a website I was on last night that the Bradford FHS had started transcribing Scholemoor about 4 years ago - is this right? Many thanks for your help. Judith Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel Hi Judith, try Arthur Blackburn Bfd Library. we are on last part of Wade House part of the Horton Circuit now Janet > Helo > > Does anyone know if either the Burial Register or the Headstones at Wyke > Moravian Chapel have been transcribed? > > Many thanks. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: > 01/02/2008 09:59 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] WYKE Moravian Chapel Hi Judith, try Arthur Blackburn Bfd Library. we are on last part of Wade House part of the Horton Circuit now Janet > Helo > > Does anyone know if either the Burial Register or the Headstones at Wyke > Moravian Chapel have been transcribed? > > Many thanks. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: > 01/02/2008 09:59 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 65045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!