maureen farrer wrote: >Hi, >I am researching >FARRER/Horsforth and Bradford areas. >Thanks, >Maureen > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hello Maureen Afraid there's not a lot I can tell you about my Farrar,I have Mary Farrar born at Sowerby Halifax Wry Married my 3xg/g Jeremiah Waddington in 1812 Mary was born in 1793.Sorry I can't be more help. Regards Bill

From: maureen farrer <maureenf@connexus.net.au> > Hi Roy, > Thank you for your advice, but I only copied the way other people had > listed their research. Maureen> No doubt, but they are doing it wrong as well ! As I pointed out in my earlier message, when you have well over 600 entries for Farrer/Farrar in Bradford alone in the 1881 census, it is extremely unlikely that they would all be related to one another. Surely in that context it is common sense to be as specific as possible and state which Farrer family you are interested in? This saves those who can see no connection from posting vague responses. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "E. Holdsworth" <yzzil.yrruc@virgin.net> > Roy, What is this bandwidth I wasted responding to Maureen? Should I > be checking on it before I choose to respond to queries?> I was simply making the point that if posters are not specific about precisely which families they are researching, then some posters will respond with messages saying "I have a Farrer [or whatever name] in my tree," only for the OP to reply that they are not connected in any way! Get half a dozen of these and we all waste time downloading and reading them, especially those who are still on dial-up. That's bandwidth. I am sorry if you can't see the point, but where a relatively common surname is involved it surely makes common sense to be as specific as possible. "Would you seriously post a message along the lines of "Researching Smiths in Yorkshire"? I recently posted a similar message to another Yorkshire list and the Administrator actually asked my permission to use my words and advice in his Welcome message to new listers. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Roy, What is this bandwidth I wasted responding to Maureen? Should I be checking on it before I choose to respond to queries? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FARRER >> maureen farrer wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> >I am researching >> >FARRER/Horsforth and Bradford areas. >> >Thanks, >> >Maureen> > > > I hope you will forgive me, Maureen, if I point out that this is a classic > example of how not to post a query. May I respectfully explain why, in the > hope that you will see my reasoning? > > FARRER and its principal associated variant FARRAR are relatively > common surnames in West Yorkshire and particularly in Bradford. By no > means all Farrers and Farrars will be related to one another. Some > figures from the CD-ROM software Surname Atlas (which produces > instant distribution maps from the 1881 census data) graphically > illustrate > the case. > > In 1881 there were a total of 5,983 entries in the UK census for the two > surnames (and there were more than 30 other variants that I have not > incorporated). Of these, 3,128 were living in the West Riding of > Yorkshire, a figure of just over 52 per cent, slightly more than half the > total for the whole country. The next highest number were in Lancashire, > 1,099. Thus, there were three times as many Farrers and Farrars in the > W Riding as in any other county, and I haven't included the East and > North Ridings. Of these, 641 were in the Poor Law Union of Bradford, the > only greater number being in Halifax, with 836. > > I trust my point is made! > > Thus, when posting a query for such a fairly common name, you should > try and be SPECIFIC. Say which Farrer family you are talking about, not > just "Farrer/Horsforth and Bradford area". Give a few names, possible > addresses and dates, albeit briefly. Also say what you have already done > and what you know. This prevents other posters who may have > Farrer/Farrar connections from posting vague response in the possible > hope they may be connected to you, and wasting bandwidth. > > Good luck in your research. > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maureen, I have a family called Farrar rather than Farrer attached to my tree, on census records I sometimes found these 2 spellings for the same family. A Squire Farrar born circa 1838 married my 2nd great GrandAunt Emma Holdsworth in 1861 - the marriage was recorded in Halifax. This couple had 5 children all born in Brighouse. I have not as yet followed this branch any further. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureen farrer" <maureenf@connexus.net.au> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] FARRER > Hi Bill, > Thanks for your email. Unfortunately I don't think we have a connection. > MaureenAt 04:19 PM 11/03/2008, you wrote: >>maureen farrer wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> >I am researching >> >FARRER/Horsforth and Bradford areas. >> >Thanks, >> >Maureen >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello Maureen >> Afraid there's not a lot I can tell you about my Farrar,I have Mary >>Farrar born at Sowerby Halifax Wry >> Married my 3xg/g Jeremiah Waddington in 1812 Mary was born in >>1793.Sorry I can't be more help. >> Regards >> Bill >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> maureen farrer wrote: > > >Hi, > >I am researching > >FARRER/Horsforth and Bradford areas. > >Thanks, > >Maureen> > I hope you will forgive me, Maureen, if I point out that this is a classic example of how not to post a query. May I respectfully explain why, in the hope that you will see my reasoning? FARRER and its principal associated variant FARRAR are relatively common surnames in West Yorkshire and particularly in Bradford. By no means all Farrers and Farrars will be related to one another. Some figures from the CD-ROM software Surname Atlas (which produces instant distribution maps from the 1881 census data) graphically illustrate the case. In 1881 there were a total of 5,983 entries in the UK census for the two surnames (and there were more than 30 other variants that I have not incorporated). Of these, 3,128 were living in the West Riding of Yorkshire, a figure of just over 52 per cent, slightly more than half the total for the whole country. The next highest number were in Lancashire, 1,099. Thus, there were three times as many Farrers and Farrars in the W Riding as in any other county, and I haven't included the East and North Ridings. Of these, 641 were in the Poor Law Union of Bradford, the only greater number being in Halifax, with 836. I trust my point is made! Thus, when posting a query for such a fairly common name, you should try and be SPECIFIC. Say which Farrer family you are talking about, not just "Farrer/Horsforth and Bradford area". Give a few names, possible addresses and dates, albeit briefly. Also say what you have already done and what you know. This prevents other posters who may have Farrer/Farrar connections from posting vague response in the possible hope they may be connected to you, and wasting bandwidth. Good luck in your research. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi, I am researching FARRER/Horsforth and Bradford areas. Thanks, Maureen

Thank you Roy, What a helpful tip. It's already helped me. Julie Kane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-LEEDS@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com>; <Dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-YORKSHIRE@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-YKS-HALIFAX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Tip re searching at FreeBMD >I imagine quite a lot of listers will already know this but on the >off-chance > that not everyone does, here's a useful little tip for when you are > searching at the FreeBMD website for the entries of births, marriages > and deaths of relatives, etc. This is particularly useful for those > running > one-name studies but it can also work for ordinary family historians if > they > want to identify possible relatives with an unusual surname where it was > used as a middle name, i.e. possibly the name of a mother or > grandparent, etc. > > If you enter nothing at all in the surname field but enter in the first > name > field a surname with a + sign in front of it, this produces entries in > which > the name was used either as a forename or a middle name. To give you > an example..... > > Entering just "Stockdill" in the first name field produces only ONE entry, > for a child called Stockdill Middlebrook registered in 1896 at Dewsbury. > But if I enter "+Stockdill" in the first name field, nothing in the > surname > field and choose All Types, this produces NINE other entries for births, > marriages and deaths where Stockdill was given as a middle name. I can > then identify all of these as being either relatives of mine or linked to > my > one-name study. > > Remember, it's important to put the plus sign before the name and the > more unusual the surname the better the chance you have of finding the > entries. Looking for people with Smith as a middle name will not be very > helpful! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 > 8:14 PM >

bauerm@tpg.com.au wrote snip<Also how many cemeteries are there in Keighley and is there some index of names for those interred that can be viewed somewhere, in the quest to track where Sidney might be. Hi The main Cemetery for Keighley is situated in Utley Here is a link to fill in a form re a possible burial there of your family I cant get it to open today but I have used in past www.bradford.gov.uk/contact_us/online_forms/utley_cemetery_enquiry_form.htm Good Luck Christine

Hi Everyone This is my first posting to the group, and I am trying to trace a SIDNEY V BRUCE who was born in 1914 at Keighley. This person is a 1st cousin to my father and have only traced him being a member of our family tree recently. Now, as you can see if he would be alive today he would be 94 years, and so I am not sure if I should be searching for a burial or if he might still be alive. I am also not sure if he might have been in WWII or not. Can someone on the list from the Bradford area please advise me how do I go about trying to trace this person. as all I know of him at the moment is his name and his year of birth. I tried army sites on line but it seems I have to give things like regiment and the like for them to tell me if he was there, and if I had that information, I would not want to ask the question in the first place. Also how many cemeteries are there in Keighley and is there some index of names for those interred that can be viewed somewhere, in the quest to track where Sidney might be. I am only assuming at this stage that the family lived their life still in the Keighley area. Any advise will be appreciated for me to get started on locating the above individual. Thankyou Margaret ************************* Margaret Bauer Queensland, Australia. bauerm@tpg.com.au *************************

Margaret There is no trace of a Death Registration for a Sydney V BRUCE between 1984 and 2005 on ancestry, but there is a Sydney BRUCE b 7 January 1914 d July 1987 in Walsall Staffordshire - this may or may not be your man...... without more info it's not possible to tell...... There is no easy way, but it may be possible to check for a marriage registration or death registration, quarter by quarter, between 1914 and 1983 on a subscription site such as ancestry..... but it will take several hours even with a fast broadband...... But there is no trace of a birth registration in Keighley around 1914, nor of any telephone directory entry (from those transcribed)...... Good luck Geoff in Sevilla > From: bauerm@tpg.com.au> To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:41:29 +1000> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] To Locate Sidney V. Bruce> > Hi Everyone> This is my first posting to the group, and I am trying to trace a SIDNEY V > BRUCE who was born in 1914 at Keighley.> This person is a 1st cousin to my father and have only traced him being a > member of our family tree recently.> Now, as you can see if he would be alive today he would be 94 years, and so > I am not sure if I should be searching for a burial or if he might still be > alive.> I am also not sure if he might have been in WWII or not.> Can someone on the list from the Bradford area please advise me how do I go > about trying to trace this person. as all I know of him at the moment is his > name and his year of birth.> I tried army sites on line but it seems I have to give things like regiment > and the like for them to tell me if he was there, and if I had that > information, I would not want to ask the question in the first place.> Also how many cemeteries are there in Keighley and is there some index of > names for those interred that can be viewed somewhere, in the quest to track > where Sidney might be.> I am only assuming at this stage that the family lived their life still in > the Keighley area.> Any advise will be appreciated for me to get started on locating the above > individual.> > Thankyou> Margaret> > *************************> Margaret Bauer> Queensland, Australia.> bauerm@tpg.com.au> ************************* > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Kettlewell" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:07 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] For Janet Ogden again! Hi Judith, all this transcribing is sending me Dippy! It would have been a very short marriage. Thanks Janet > Hello Janet > > Just noticed that the date of death given for Mary Helena HUSTLER is > wrong. > > It says she died on 8 February 1891 but this was the date of her marriage. > > She was still alive and kicking in 1901. > > Kind regards > > Judith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: > 06/03/2008 18:58 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66170 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Kettlewell" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] For Janet OGDEN re HUSTLER Hi Judith, she is related to my husband Ivor to her Husband William Fearnley is 3rs cousin 3 times removed. I have 6 earlier genarations. if you need them? So our paths cross again.! My Godprenets were Sidney and Edith Hustler and , their son is David, he helped lots of people escape the Bradford City Stadium Fire . > Hello Janet > > Sorry to send this to list but I can't find your email address. > > I noticed when I was looking on Ancestry that you have a Mary Helena > HUSTLER in your family history and was wondering how you were related to > her. > > I have this same Mary in my family history as she was the sister to my gt > grandfather Richard Fenelon HUSTLER, both being the children of Foster > HUSTLER and Mary THOMPSON. > > Mary Helena married William FEARNLEY > > Richard married Charlotte WILD > > I look forward to hearing from you re the HUSTLERs. > > Kind regards > > Judith Kettlewell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: > 05/03/2008 18:38 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66127 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hello Janet Just noticed that the date of death given for Mary Helena HUSTLER is wrong. It says she died on 8 February 1891 but this was the date of her marriage. She was still alive and kicking in 1901. Kind regards Judith

Hello Janet Sorry to send this to list but I can't find your email address. I noticed when I was looking on Ancestry that you have a Mary Helena HUSTLER in your family history and was wondering how you were related to her. I have this same Mary in my family history as she was the sister to my gt grandfather Richard Fenelon HUSTLER, both being the children of Foster HUSTLER and Mary THOMPSON. Mary Helena married William FEARNLEY Richard married Charlotte WILD I look forward to hearing from you re the HUSTLERs. Kind regards Judith Kettlewell

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Dennis, Yes William CREEDON b Bradford 1853 brother of Mary and Michael Creedon as in Northumberland Barracks in the 1871 census. In the military deaths Army, I found a William Creedon died in Burma 1882. There is an age discrepancy with this entry so I cannot be sure he is 'ours' but I've not found any other death. Mary, Michael and William were the 3 who survived childhood of 7. I have details on the others if you are interested. Quite a sad time for the family. Did I ever tell you I finally found Michael's birth? At one week he was registered Dennis CREEDON and at 2 weeks he was baptised Mich Dennis. He only ever appeared as Michael in the census.He did use both names on a couple of daughters' marriage certificates. In April 1869 the entry above Michael's son William's death aged 1,record was for a McEvoy. It looks like Elizabeth aged 41 of Barker (Road?) Do you know anything about her? These burials were recorded in St Mary's records. Just thought you might be interested. Thanks for the school info. I know nothing about it. Valerie

Hi Valerie I am not aware of any M.I.s of the McEvoy or Creedons .From memory I believe my grandparents-Denis and Harriet McEvoy were buried in Bowling Cemetery.Why there and not the much closer Undercliffe I'll never know.I do not have any photos at all but St Marys was anything but beautiful to look at -its exterior did belie the interior.It was an exceptionally big church and probably the largest in the Diocese,including St Annes in Leeds. I was not aware of William's military career but was this the Wm. born in1853 ? You may know that St Marys school was split in two parts-the Infants and Girls up to age 15 was off Stott Hill and the Boys Junior and Seniors in Jermyn St next to the church -apart half a mile away.Incidentally I think you may know that Daniel's first wife was a Mary Bergan who were married on 15-6-1850. Kind Regards Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gilbert" <gilbert.valerie@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] St Mary's RC Church, East Parade, Bradford > Hi Judith and Dennis, > Thanks for posting your information regarding this church. I too am very > interested in any further developments. I have never been inside it but many > baptisms, marriages and funerals of my ancestors have been recorded there. I > had hoped to visit one day, having only seen the outside and an old picture. > Dennis I expect you know where the burials took place from there. Are there > any CREEDON and McEVOY MI's you know of? I recall you had some info on > Daniel McEvoy who married Mary Creedon. Did you know her brother William was > in the Durham light infantry? I think he may have gone to Burma and died > there. Unless you know differently. > Do you have any pictures of St Mary's from your time ? (Church or School) > Valerie > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lois B as usual given both her gender and her lineage has said it all - but I claim the privilege being the furthermost away of seconding the motion! You've been missed, even though it has meant that all those lurking Firths have rested safely undisturbed - but their days of genealogical hibernation are over - Sherlock Derek is again on the trail. Rangatira Derekiti - Haere mai! Naumai! Gavin Yates, Christchurch New Zealand

Yes Derek, welcome back. Hope we will be seeing much more of you again. There can't be many people on this list that you have not helped over the years and it is nice to hear you are back. You have been missed. Kind regards Judith K