I had a very successful research session in Bradford Archives last week. By chance they have an interesting display of items connected with Brown, Muff and Co. As it happened I was searching for the site of the Yorkshire Bank Tyrrel St in 1880's .My CREEDON ancestor was caretaker there with a large family in tow. After leaving the archive a wander through Tyrrel Street actually did help locate the building as it was adjoining the Brown, Muff and Co store . This was the same block that had on a diagonal corner , high up in the original stonework company name Brown & Muff 1870. That part of the building was warehouse I believe.I was so busy checking the high up stone front I forgot to note the name of the modern store below. I recall ZA.. maybe Zahti or similar, maybe a record store or similar. Is anyone a local Bradford resident able to give me the store name. ? On the corner Tyrrel St , Bank St. I am also hoping there may be a way of tracing a photo of the front of the bank building which by 1901 had become the London, City and Midland Bank. For locals the display in the Library local studies dept is very interesting about the well remembered business Brown, Muff and Co. Valerie nee Creedon

Hello, Any chance that he could have been a 'dyer`? There were a lot of people working in the textile dyeing industry and until a few years ago, there was a very visible 'slubbing dyers and melange printers` lettering on a factory close to North Bridge. best wishes George George --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox.

Looks a likely explanation. Diver seems improbable. I'll bear driver in mind. Thanks, NRG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] 1901 diver > > Norman > > Could it be "driver"?...... > > Also I have found the following websites useful for old occupations - > > http://www.census1891.com/occupations-w.htm > http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/occupations.htm > http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/w.html > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/thursday.handleigh/demography/occupations-wages-money/old-occupations/oldocc-v-z.htm > http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html > http://www.answers.com/topic/wool > Good luck > > Regards > > Geoff in Sevilla > > >> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:05:50 +1200> From: ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> To: >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] 1901 diver> > I'd >> like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on how to >> begin? Who might employ one for example? I don't suppose there's another >> meaning for "diver" related to mill work or the like? I doubt it means >> divers(e) employment.> > Your ideas appreciated, nrg.> >> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1336 - Release Date: > 20/03/2008 09:48 >

In message <mailman.831.1206687904.26596.eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com>, eng-yks-bradford-request@rootsweb.com writes >I'd like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on >how to begin? Could it be "divers" in the sense that the person concerned was following several different occupations? Peter R Wood in the Isle of Man

Hi All He could actually be a diver i.e. entertainer. During my research of the Beaumont's, I came across a Beaumont diver at Llandudno(about 1890's/1900's born Blackpool), who use to dive from pier to entertain the crowds. On one occasion he dived from the pier to rescue someone in trouble in the water. There is a plaque on the pier to commemorate this occasion Regards Lenny

I'd like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on how to begin? Who might employ one for example? I don't suppose there's another meaning for "diver" related to mill work or the like? I doubt it means divers(e) employment. Your ideas appreciated, nrg.

From: "G ROBERTS" <g.roberts119@btinternet.com> > All I can say is that my father worked as a GP in Bradford in the > 1960s. At one point I had to take a phone message for him. It was a > man who suspected that his workmate had a case of the bends, so they > must have been operating in some sort of diving environment in the > Bradford area. > > I can only think that it was something to do with sewers or > reservoirs. > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norman > Gallop Sent: 27 March 2008 08:06 To: BRADFORD List Subject: > [YKS-BRADFORD] 1901 diver > > I'd like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on > how to begin? Who might employ one for example? I don't suppose > there's another meaning for "diver" related to mill work or the like? > I doubt it means divers(e) employment.> Almost certainly to do with reservoirs. In the 19th century a considerable number of reservoirs were constructed on the moors high above towns like Bradford and Halifax to serve those places. Look at any map of the area particularly around Halifax and further west into the Dales and you will see many reservoirs. You can get an excellent "feel" for them with Google Earth. Look particularly above Hebden Bridge, in the Calder Valley west of Halifax, and towards Haworth. You will see numerous reservoirs and lakes up on the moors. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Norman All I can say is that my father worked as a GP in Bradford in the 1960s. At one point I had to take a phone message for him. It was a man who suspected that his workmate had a case of the bends, so they must have been operating in some sort of diving environment in the Bradford area. I can only think that it was something to do with sewers or reservoirs. Regards Guy Roberts -----Original Message----- From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norman Gallop Sent: 27 March 2008 08:06 To: BRADFORD List Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] 1901 diver I'd like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on how to begin? Who might employ one for example? I don't suppose there's another meaning for "diver" related to mill work or the like? I doubt it means divers(e) employment. Your ideas appreciated, nrg. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norman Could it be "driver"?...... Also I have found the following websites useful for old occupations - http://www.census1891.com/occupations-w.htm http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/occupations.htm http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/w.html http://web.ukonline.co.uk/thursday.handleigh/demography/occupations-wages-money/old-occupations/oldocc-v-z.htm http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html http://www.answers.com/topic/wool Good luck Regards Geoff in Sevilla > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:05:50 +1200> From: ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] 1901 diver> > I'd like to follow up on a Halifax 1901 census "diver". Any ideas on how to begin? Who might employ one for example? I don't suppose there's another meaning for "diver" related to mill work or the like? I doubt it means divers(e) employment.> > Your ideas appreciated, nrg.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Robert Welbourn <robert@welbourn.com> > It's well worth a go. The 19th C British newspaper collection > includes the Leeds Mercury, the Manchester Times and the Northern > Echo. I was able to find an account of my great-great-grandfather > Robert Hird's death on a train from Shipley to Bradford in 1891; an > account of the tragic death of his nephew Benjamin in 1873 who drowned > after falling through the ice on Frizinghall Mill Dam, leaving a widow > and eight children; a report from the Yorkshire Assizes where his > great-nephew John who was convicted of stealing a watch in 1877 and > sentenced to five years in gaol (*now* I know why he was in prison in > the 1881 census, but why was he locked up in the 1891 census?). > > Go for it.> And I have found..... 1) A gt-gt-grandfather who was a policeman in Scarborough and who in 1865 was awarded a pension of 30 pounds a year by Scarborough Council for his long service. 2) A gt-uncle in Bradford who in 1873 was runner-up in the comic song section in a vocal competition at St George's Hall. 3) Another gt-gt-uncle from Bradford who was a bit of a rogue and black sheep and went to prison several times in the 1870s and 1880s, with court reports of his misdemeanours. All these were found in reports in the Leeds Mercury. Not exactly world-shattering, but all wonderful stuff for what we call "putting flesh on the bones" of family history! One of the lectures I give is about researching from newspapers and I am always preaching the ethos that it is a wonderful way of finding out those titbits about your ancestors that you would never know otherwise. This trial of the British Newspaper Library holdings is an outstanding chance, for as long as it lasts, to add colour to your family history research. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

The most likely "Roman Catholic Chapel Bradford" would be St Mary's Stott Hill. Although often called Chapel it was a fairly large Church near the Cathedral. It has closed very recently this year. I think St Patrick's was likely to have been called a Church. Valerie nee CREEDON also researching CROWLEY, PALFREEMAN, McEVOY in Bradford Mommy: "Can you name one of Columbus' ships?" Daniel: "The Cauliflower. No wait, that was the Pilgrims." October 2007, aged 6 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 17:52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 17:52 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Jan Perkins" <janperkins@blueyonder.co.uk> > Hello. I am wondering if anyone knows if there is another name for > the "Roman Catholic Chapel Bradford." I have an 1857 marriage > certificate which states that the marriage took place there. Thank > you for your help. > > Linda The National Index of Parish Registers (West Riding) lists 26 RC churches in Bradford, but only two appear to have been extant in 1857. 1) Chapel at Stott Hill 1824; St Mary, East Parade, from 1825. 2) St Patrick, Sedgefield Terrace, Westgate, from 1852. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello. I am wondering if anyone knows if there is another name for the "Roman Catholic Chapel Bradford." I have an 1857 marriage certificate which states that the marriage took place there. Thank you for your help. Linda Mommy: "Can you name one of Columbus' ships?" Daniel: "The Cauliflower. No wait, that was the Pilgrims." October 2007, aged 6 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 17:52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 21/03/2008 17:52

It's well worth a go. The 19th C British newspaper collection includes the Leeds Mercury, the Manchester Times and the Northern Echo. I was able to find an account of my great-great-grandfather Robert Hird's death on a train from Shipley to Bradford in 1891; an account of the tragic death of his nephew Benjamin in 1873 who drowned after falling through the ice on Frizinghall Mill Dam, leaving a widow and eight children; a report from the Yorkshire Assizes where his great-nephew John who was convicted of stealing a watch in 1877 and sentenced to five years in gaol (*now* I know why he was in prison in the 1881 census, but why was he locked up in the 1891 census?). Go for it. Rob > Hi Folks > > Just received the following message and it does work. > > Judith K > > Hi folks, > For anyone who doesn't already know - > There is a free trial being offered on the site at present. > Go to - > http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/ > and register. > I just put "None" in the 'Institution' fields and it worked. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Robert Welbourn 24 Wilde Road Waban, MA 02468-1325 USA Tel +1-617-558-0182 -- Mobile +1-617-510-5354

I just put 'retired' in the institution field and that worked too! the older of the tworobbos

Hi Judith, Thanks for the information. Just as a matter of information, I also put down none for the phone number as I have been plagued with phone advertising in the past. It still worked when I did that. Liz . ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDITH KETTLEWELL" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-yks-leeds@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Gale Newspapers > Hi Folks > > Just received the following message and it does work. > > Judith K > > Hi folks, > For anyone who doesn't already know - > There is a free trial being offered on the site at present. > Go to - > http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/ > and register. > I just put "None" in the 'Institution' fields and it worked. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks Just received the following message and it does work. Judith K Hi folks, For anyone who doesn't already know - There is a free trial being offered on the site at present. Go to - http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/ and register. I just put "None" in the 'Institution' fields and it worked.

Hello Lynda, Can you provide the details you have on the MALLINSONs Don in Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynda marley" <l.marley3@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] New Subscriber > Hi I am new to this list so I thought I would post my interests > > Searching > BATES > MALLINSON > RUSSELL > GILL > CHEW > All from Skipton and local areas. > > Lynda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release Date: > 14/03/2008 12:33 PM > >

Hi I am new to this list so I thought I would post my interests Searching BATES MALLINSON RUSSELL GILL CHEW All from Skipton and local areas. Lynda