Thank you Roy for the http://www.music-hall-society.com/ for Music hHall sSociety. I found another too http://www.greatallied,fsnet.co.uk/index.htm for resources for researching ancestors who were actors, actresses ,music hall& vaudeville artistes,travelling showmen, Romany/Gypsy; in cicus, menageries, the bioscoppesetc tinersand tracelling tradesmen. That sounds rather comprehensive. I'll be giving it a try. have In the meantime any mention of places /theatres in the north where Dennis and Jessie might just possibly been... to watch or perform would help me . I do not know Bradford although I read whatever I can. Those Alhambra memories sound good. Anything more ? I checked and Dennis and Jessie were on stage in London by 1918 and into 1920's a few years . Dad was only about 5 when taken to London to see them so 1924 . I'll get busy now. Any in-put appreciated. Valerie N Yorks

>From the diary of John Solomon Fullmer Sunday March 24 /25 th "The Captain frequently stated that he had never had such a tedious run . The barometer which should invariably denote the approaching weather, has now stood at a point denoting a storm or hurricane, for a week and yet we have had very changeable weather, sometimes fair, then squalls and several nights high winds. I suppose that we are not much over halfway no means what is generally considered at sea a hurricane, yet. Today it was very rough and we are not making any headway .The winds are such that we must be receding Sat 31st It is vexatious to think that for several days past we have only been recovering ground that we lost in say 48 hrs during the early part of the week. Sunday April 1st Today is a pleasant enough day but making no progress.What wind there is is against us and sending us nearly north.I have felt for several days that the Spirit of the Lord was grieved and that his hand was against us.I had several dreams lately that indicated this to me.I had noticed several things that did not suit me and I endeavored , but failed, to put down.Although I felt troubled myself I tried to think that the Lord was not so technical and particular perhaps as myself and perhaps cared less about it. It will be recollected that the presidency made it a point to counsel the unmarried not to indulge in making love to eachother in their crowded conditions on board ship .For that we did not approve of matchmaking nor of marriages taking place in such cicumstances....." (he gave another talk, had another go at them I think) then "The Saints almost alarmed at such plain dealings , are fully satisfied with what was done and it has restored and confirmed them in confidence they had reposed in residing officers." (they obviously pulled their socks up) " .. And as if to prove this and the satisfaction with which he ,the Lord,accepted of our course in putting our feet upon rebellious and wicked spirits, our old ship began that same night to run before a brisk wind at the usual rate of ten knots an hour ,and continued this speed during the following day" Mon April 2 /'55 (I bet the Captain breathed a sigh of relief. All was well for a while and on 4th April ) "This evening, just before sunset, a large iceberg is seen to the south of us about ten miles distant" Just picking out bits from these diaries, wondering how they ever kept their spirits up and tempers down. next time 'a bit of a fight' Valerie N Yorks

"Gail Genereau" <genereau@vbe.com> wrote..... > My GreatGrandUncle, Ellis Riley from Keighley, gave piano recitals at the > Alhambra in Bradford. When was your Grandfather there?> HE joined the Alhambra orchestra in about 1928 and played there continuously for around 30 years until he retired in the late 1950s. Of course, he worked for Francis Laidler, the great Bradford theatrical impressario who built the Alhambra and opened it in 1914. I have a super book on it called "Domes of Delight" by the former theatre critic of the Bradford Telegraph & Argus Peter Holdsworth, published in 1989. The Alhambra these days is a civic theatre (belonging to the council) and very resplendent. Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Hi Everyone, Here are a few names from a photocopy of marriages at Bradford Church. Kind regards Lori Mitchell Marriages ....January..1754 1st January Joseph Brigg and Alice Robinson of Wibsey Jn Foster and Mary Bower of Horton 2nd January Wm Lister and Patience Priestley of Wibsey 21 January Francis MITCHELL and Mary TOMMIS of Bowling 28th January Paul Jowett and Mary Hainworth of Thornton 29th January Jn Rookes and Mary Wilkinson of Wibsey Jonas Mann of the Parish of Calverley and Mary Firth of this Parish 2nd February 1754 Jn Stocksand Mary Blamires of Wibsey March 1754 18th March Tho Holdsworth and Sarah Dewhirst of Wibsey 24th March Rich Jenkinson and Grace Bywater of Wibsey April 1754 1st April Henry Ryley and Hannah Wilkinson of Wibsey 11th April Sam. Longbottom and Hannah Wright of Manningham 14th April Geo. Shaw and Mar. Helliwell of Haworth 15th April Moses Crabtree and Hannah Kitson of Eccleshill 18th April Geo. Parish and Hannah Dean of Bierley 22nd April Elijah Arkel a Soldier and Mary Basdale of Bray???? 23rd April Jn Ingham and Ann Ingham of Thornton

Hi Norman, Israel's birth was registered at Bradford in the December quarter of 1853. Volume: 9c, page 55. Marilyn Maybury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Gallop" <ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Look-up request for Israel BELL, b. Bradford, abt 1854 > I'd like to get this gentleman's birth certificate but am unable to find any birth details. Can anybody please help? > 1881 census; Israel BELL, M, 27, M, Rel: Head, Occ: Stuff Warehouseman, Unemployed, Bradford, York, England. > > Thanks, Norman, Dunedin, NZ. > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > The Mailing List Archives are at:- > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

WERE there any normal people in Keighley??? Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Rotheram1@aol.com wrote..... > 'Old' Mr. GREEN > was the manager of the Theatre. He had a tin leg. He was very quick tempered > with his staff. He was the only man in Keighley who worked whilst wearing > evening dress - except for the orchestra, but they lived in Bradford and > elsewhere.> THIS reminds me of my dear old grandad, Fred MIDGLEY, who was the leader of the orchestra at the Alhambra Theatre, Bradford, for many years. When they had an afternoon matinee, he would leave his home in Pudsey and go off to Bradford on the bus at lunchtime in full evening dress. Most people knew him, of course, but he still used to get some funny looks from strangers. For a while as a child, when I stayed with my grandparents, I used to think everybody went to work dressed like that! Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Fifth and final part of list of pew holders before the re-pewing of Bradford Church in 1705. REMEMBER These have been transcribed first - the transcription again transcribed - hand set in type and printed - and again transcribed my me. THERE ARE BOUND TO BE ERRORS. I hope some of you have found the list useful or interesting. Dorothy, in the High Peak of Derbyshire Wilsden - Abraham Hill - Three Wilsden - Thomas and William Hill - One and a half Wilsden - Widow Midgley - One and one fourth Wilsden - Richard Bartle's farm - One fourth Wilsden - Isaac Kitching - Three fourths Wilsden - John Lister of Shipley - One half Wilsden - Mr Edward Ferrand's Land - Two and a half Wilsden - Thomas and John Midgley - One Wilsden - John Midgley - One fourth Wilsden - Thomas Rawson - One fourth Wilsden - Thos Dobson and Pinfold - One fourth Wilsden - A Denby and Jer Smith - One half Wilsden - Thomas Waters - One half Wilsden - Chris Waters for J Drake - One half Wilsden - Isaac Denby and Isaac Kitchen - One half Wilsden - A Wilkinson - One half Wilsden - Richard Wilkinson - One Wilsden - Mr Marsden's Land - One half Wilsden - Bryan Sunderland's Land - Two and one fourth Wilsden - Mrs Butler's Land - Three fourths Wilsden - Bayley's Land - Three Wilsden - Thomas Horsfield - One fourth Wilsden - Richard Waddington - One fourth Haworth - Mr Midgley for his Land and School Land - Four Haworth - The Heirs of Mr Ramsden and of Widow Holdsworth - Five Haworth - Mr John Holmes of Yeadon for his Land - Two Haworth - The Heirs of Collier and Joseph Pighill's Land - Four Haworth - Thomas Midgley's Land - One Haworth - James Hartley, Hall Green - One Haworth - James Rishworth, Strobbing - One Haworth - John Greenwood, Brighouse - One Haworth - Caleb Heaton and Smith's Land of the Intack - One Haworth - Michael Pighills and John Wright - One and one fourth Haworth - Henry and John Ikoringill's Lands - Three fourths Oxenhope - John Holmes of Old Oxenhope - Four Oxenhope - Mr Robert Ferrand and Mr Francis Lyndley - Two Oxenhope - Joseph Rishworth and Benjamin Rath - Two Oxenhope - Richard Pighills - Three and one third Oxenhope - Titus Mitchell - Two thirds Oxenhope - John Heaton - One and a half Oxenhope - Martha Feather - One and a half Oxenhope - Michael Pighill's Land - One Oxenhope - Robert Heaton's Land and Joseph Crabtree's Land - One Oxenhope - Thomas Rishworth and Parkinson's Land - One Oxenhope - Widow Hartley and John Mitchell's Land - One Oxenhope - Mr Pollard - One half Oxenhope - Tim Horsfall's Land - One half Oxenhope - Bernard Hartley, John Pighills, and John Sutcliff - Two Oxenhope - Widow Sutcliff and Buckley Lands - ~ Oxenhope - Jonas Horsfall and William Ogden's Land - Three Oxenhope - John Roberts - Two thirds, and Jonas Horsfall of Yait - ~ Oxenhope - Thomas Whitaker and Heirs of Samuel Midgley - Two Oxenhope - John Murgatroyd's Land - One Oxenhope - John Foster junr's Land - One Oxenhope - Michael Ogden, Joseph Ogden, and William Haigh's Lands - One Oxenhope - James Hartley, James Rawson, and Jonas Driver's Land - Two Oxenhope - Joshua Feather, John Rishworth, and John Whitaker's Land - Two Oxenhope - Michael Hartley and Thomas Ackroyd's Land - One Oxenhope - Jonas Haigh - One half Oxenhope - Abm Farrer's Land - One half Oxenhope - John Driver, Michael driver, John Hartley, and Joseph Ogden's Lands - Two Oxenhope - Jonas Foster, Jonas Rishworth, and Tim Mitchell's Lands - One Oxenhope - Heirs of Matthew Foster, Jeremy Pearson, Ismael Ogden, Jonas Haigh, and Matthew Briggs' Lands - Two Oxenhope - Christopher Holmes, John Greenwood, John Heaton of Larne Close's Lands - One Stanbury - Robert Heaton and Andrew Heaton - Three Stanbury - Robert Heaton junr, George Taylor and Peter Heaton for Hill Top Lands - One Stanbury - William Heaton, James Rawson, and John Wilson's Lands - Two Stanbury - Nicholas Dixon and Uttley Lands - Two Stanbury - Widow Taylor - One half, and Wm Midgley's Lands - Two Stanbury - N Midgley of Old Field, and Church Lands - Three Stanbury - John Pighills wheelwright, and Crabtree Lands - Two Stanbury - Robert Pighills, Robert Taylor, John Homes, and John Hanson's Lands - Two Stanbury - John Redman, Robert Clayton, and Nathaniel Dixon, Coldknowe Lands - Two Stanbury - James Smith's Lands - One Stanbury - John Clayton and Michael Moorhouse of Moorhouse Lands - One

Hi Stuart Gradually working my way through all the memorable folks of Keighley...and as Roy says, seems as if Keighley certainly had a surfeit of characters................. Not sure I remember any of them..........yet! Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text

Hi Roy.. <WERE there any normal people in Keighley???> Reading in between the lines in this book.....not very many.......rofl AND Roy! No my ancestors did not come from Keighley, no one legged men in my family.....(or at least not found one yet) ....although I have to confess to the odd negro comedian in my ancestry....................My GtGtGrandfather from Liskeard, Cornwall....or Exeter, Devon...dependent on which census you looked him up on............................lol By the way...I thought there were only about 60 of these people in the book.........................probably nearer the mark if I say 200.....so there must be many of their relatives alive today........................ Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text

I'd like to get this gentleman's birth certificate but am unable to find any birth details. Can anybody please help? 1881 census; Israel BELL, M, 27, M, Rel: Head, Occ: Stuff Warehouseman, Unemployed, Bradford, York, England. Thanks, Norman, Dunedin, NZ.

Hi Listers: My g-g-g-grandfather, Samuel Wilkinson of Bradford, was a Whitesmith, and he is listed on the Land Tax Assessments for Bradford in 1781 and 1795, as a Proprietor and Occupant of a Cottage. From 1798 thru 1804, Samuel is the Proprietor, and the Occupant is his son, Bentley Wilkinson; another Occupant is listed from 1805 - 1810. In 1811, Samuel Wilkinson is the Proprietor, and the Occupant is Cass & Bates. The wording in the Tax Lists from 1811 on till 1832 (I stopped copying after 1832) were: Proprietor: Samuel Wilkinson, Late; Occupant, Cass & Bates - Top of North Gate. (Sometimes only Bates is listed). Could they have been solicitors for his "estate"? According to these records, I surmise that Samuel Wilkinson had died about 1811, and that his Cottage was located at the top of North Gate. From early maps it shows that the road North Gate runs into Manor Row. I am trying to determine if his Cottage was part of the Bradford Manor and if there are deeds for the Manor that would show the inhabitants. I searched the HMC and further searched the Manor Documents Register. It came up with "Manor Name: Bradford; Honour Name: Pontefract; Parish Name: Bradford. I really don't know what step to take next. Can anyone give me an idea of what I may try next? I would more than appreciate any help you may give me. Thank you. Ethe Zott Hebron, CT, USA

HI I've got a Mary WILSON who married Thomas RUSHWORTH of Windhill but this was earlier in the century - perhaps an Aunt? Later generations had WILSON as a forename. As yet I don't know any of Mary's family - it's on the "to do" list :D Bright Blessings Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Rotheram1@aol.com [mailto:Rotheram1@aol.com] Sent: 14 February 2003 13:29 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ BRAD] James WILSON 1887 Saltaire & Windhill. Hi List This is a local person on Mike's List.................any claimants Date: 14/02/2003 13:08:15 GMT Standard Time From: mike@derow.fsnet.co.uk (Michael SPENCER) Hi list, further Wills of folks who once lived in Yorkshire but left Wills in Derbyshire. Are they connected to you ? 1887 JAMES WILSON Saltaire and Windhill Thats the last of over 300 Wills left by Yorkshire folk in Derbyshire between 1858-1928. Hope you find someone to link up and knock a wall or two down. Mike Need a Will mike@derow.fsnet.co.uk Hope it help someone.................. Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

When I first read that, I thought it meant evening dress ie: formal evening gown! ;-) Roy, are you sure your Grandad didn't live in Keighley? {vbg} again! My GreatGrandUncle, Ellis Riley from Keighley, gave piano recitals at the Alhambra in Bradford. When was your Grandfather there? Gail genereau@vbe.com > 'Old' Mr. GREEN > was the manager of the Theatre. He had a tin leg. He was very quick tempered > with his staff. He was the only man in Keighley who worked whilst wearing > evening dress - except for the orchestra, but they lived in Bradford and > elsewhere.> THIS reminds me of my dear old grandad, Fred MIDGLEY, who was the leader of the orchestra at the Alhambra Theatre, Bradford, for many years. When they had an afternoon matinee, he would leave his home in Pudsey and go off to Bradford on the bus at lunchtime in full evening dress. Most people knew him, of course, but he still used to get some funny looks from strangers.

Hey, watch that, Roy! All my Yorkie rellies lived in Keighley! ;-) Then again, who wants to be just "normal". If more of our rellies were "unique" we wouldn't have such a hard time finding them.{vbg} Gail in Wisconsin genereau@vbe.com WERE there any normal people in Keighley???

I too would love to know about the' New Catholic Cemetery' in Leeds Road. My progress with my Irish ancestors was non existent until I joined this list. Thank you to all who answered my query. Regards Shirley J. North Yorkshire England

Valerie Have you contacted the British Music Hall Society? They have a lot of research material on old variety artists, I believe. A good few years ago, when I was trying to identify some of the more obscure artists in my grandfather's photograph album of all the music hall acts he played for during his career as a musician, I met an old boy from the Music Hall Society and he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the stage. He named every single one for me and told me what they did. Mind you, he's probably dead by now, as he was getting on a bit then. However, they have a website... http://www.music-hall-society.com/ Good luck Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Hello Valerie, Could you tell me where I can acquire the 1891 Yorkshire census and the 1841 West Riding census? Regards Shirley J. North Yorkshire England

Hello listers, Can anyone tell me anything about James and Elizabeth THOMPSON, parents of Joseph Thompson who was baptised at Westgate Baptist Chapel, Bradford, on 24 October 1784 and married to Sarah Hodgson at the Parish Church on 1 December 1807. Source references are PRO-RG4 1910, folio 498; IGI Batch No.s C093291and M107655 respectively. TIA. Derek Thompson.

Hi List, Maybe I could encourage some of you to take a look at the Web Site for the Bradford Family History Society. And in particular some of the publications they have for sale. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/bfhs/index.html It is easier to purchase material from overseas by using Genfair but unfortunately the owner passed away recently and though it is to re open there is NO date as yet for it to do so. They do take credit cards which makes it cheaper and faster for purchases. Another tip for overseas subscribers is to use a certificate agent i.e. ResearchUK............http://www.research-uk.co.uk/ who also take credit cards. (cheaper & mail the certificates by airmail) Hope this is of help to some of you. Kindest regards. Elaine. Ottawa. Canada. List Admin.