Sorry, I was 100 years off on John Sugden and Sarah Lobdell's marriage. It was 1848. Joan

Hello list, I am interested in finding the names of parent's for John Sugden b July 28, 1819 in England. I believe he was from Yorkshire. I don't know when he came to the United States, but he married Sarah (Sally) Lobdell 1948 in Hamburg, Erie County, New York. John and Sally moved to Wisconsin where John died in 1877. These were my GGGrand-parents. Any connections?

My great great grandfathers' marriage certificate arrived today and I post it for posterity. (William GREEN and William MASON should be dead easy to identify don't you think?)Norman, Dunedin, NZ. * Marriage certificate; 10 Oct 1846 at St. Peter's church in the parish of Bradford; Anthony MASON, 27, Bachelor, Comber, Resident of Bradford; father William MASON, Comber; Tamar GREEN, 21, Spinster, Mill-hand, Resident of Bradford; father William GREEN, Comber; R.F. STIRLING, Curate; Witnesses, Charles HEMSWORTH and Joseph SMITH; Groom signed, bride signed with an X.

I'd love to hear from anybody who knows about either of these Bradford names. (Better than MASON and GREEN perhaps?) Thanks, Norman, Dunedin, NZ.

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Just joined today so I am Posting my interest's. HAROLD JOHNSON (1894) born Bradford to Thomas(1871 Queens County ,Ireland) & Mary Jane (Cockcroft born Bradford 1872) .He also had a sister Frances (1897) who married a Bert Johnson. BEATRICE GOTT,Was she MARRIED to HAROLD,did they have any children, JAMES ALBERT HIRD.was he married to ELEANOR JOYCE/PARKINSON.Did they have any family. ELEANOR JOYCE married a man called PARKINSON during WW1 as she used to say she was a bride and a widow in 6 weeks.is her husband known to anyone. I have some information on the above my grandparents Harold & Eleanor,but anything that may think links any of the above please get in touch. All the Best Alec

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From: carole@clyde80.freeserve.co.uk (Carole Clyde) Another List from Carole........ UNDERCLIFFE COLLEGE 1831 - June 20th. The foundation stone was laid of a new college for the education for the ministry of young men of the Independent denomination of dissenters, at Undercliffe, near Bradford, by John HOLLAND, Esq.., of Slead House Near Halifax. A great number of people assembled to witness the ceremony. The Rev. Thomas SCALES, of Leeds, commenced the service by reading the Latin inscription upon the plate to be fixed in the stone, and the following literal translation in English:- 'Consecrated to the service of God. This building, preceded by an institution denominated Idle academy, was erected in order that, when its perpetuity has been secured, pious and talented young men may continue to be educated gratuitously, and prepared for the gospel ministry: the first stone of which was laid by John HOLLAND, Esq., one of the treasurers, on the 20th day of June, and the first year of the reign of William the Fourth, 1831.' 'Present were:- Mrs. Mary BACON, the pious donor of the site and surrounding estate. William VINT, Tutor. Members of the Committee. - Ministers: Abraham CLARKSON, Secretary. Thomas SCALES James SCOTT Joseph Stemus CRISP, John WHITE, Henry BEAN, James PRIDIE, William TILER. LAYMEN: Christopher ANDERSON, co-treasurer. James HOATSON John HORSFALL J. SUGDEN Joseph HINCHCLIFFE Robert MILLIGAN William BALDWIN Edwin FIRTH Robert HOWITT, John Peel CLAPHAM James GARNETT John AKED Thomas CLAPHAM James BURNLEY Samuel HODGSON John CLARK - Architect, on the day when the foundation was laid.' The Rev. R.W. HAMILTON, of Leeds, delivered an address suitable to the occasion. The site of the building and the surrounding estate, to the value of upwards of £3,000, were presented for the purpose by Mrs. BACON of Bradford. All the best Carole For hundreds of books on Yorkshire go to: www.regionalbooks.co.uk including books on History, Social & Economic History, Heraldry, Employment etc Also Books on the other northern counties of England. For over 100,000 Yorkshire Strays go to: http://members.lycos.co.uk/Carole_Clyde/ Yorkshire folks and their Occupations (lists of names) go to: http://members.lycos.co.uk/ykstrays/ For Lancashire Strays go to: http://members.lycos.co.uk/clydegen/ Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text

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Hi to ALL List Members. One of the cardinal rules of this list is that there is NO discussion at all re viruses. You should all have a virus programme on your machines. Many are for free so NO excuses. If you do have a problem please contact me and NOT the list. Saves a lot of trouble for everybody that way. Regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. Bradford List Admin.

I've just been notified by one of my Bay Area friends that her address book was infected with a virus. It had a teddy bear log on it. As a result, yours may have been also because I have your address in mine.  The good news is that it is easy to get rid of.  The virus is called jdbgmgr.exe and it cannot be detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus programs.  It sits quietly for about 14 days before damaging the system.  It is sent automatically by messenger and address book, whether or not you send e-mail.  Just follow these simple steps and you should have no problem: Yes, I found it on mine and deleted it.   1.  Go to "start" 2.  Go to "find" or "search" 3.  In "files/folders" write name jdbgmgr.exe 4.  Search in your "C" drive 5.  Click "find" or "search" 6.  The virus has a teddy bear logo with the name jdbgmgr.exe 7.  DO NOT OPEN! 8.  Right click and delete it. 9.  Go to the recycle bin and delete it there also. 10 If you find the virus, you must contact everyone in your address book also.   Sorry for the inconvenience.   Diane

Welcome to the list Alec, It would be helpful to the list and anyone who is trying to help if you add dates along with the names...... If you could also give the City in which you live along with your name that also helps people make suggestions as to where you can find the information you are looking for. Kindest regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada, Bradford List Admin.

Hi Listers. Just a follow up on the MSN= Rootsweb problem. It seems that MSN is aware of the problem and has tried to rectify it but with little luck. So if you have not been unsubscribed ( therefore you wouldn't be reading this mail) lol. and it does happen in the next few days please contact MSN. Kindest regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. Bradford List Admin.

My interests in and around Bradford are: BASTOW, Tong 1700s BOYS, Tong/Birstall 1800s BROOK, Bradford 1800s BUTLER, Tong/Bowling 1800s DEWHIRST, Shipley/Saltaire 1850+ EABRY, Bradford 1850+ FLAXINGTON, Bradford, 1800s HINDLE, Bradford, 1790+ HOLMES, Bradford 1800s HORNBY, Bradford 1800+ MARSDEN, Tong/Bowling 1690+ MYERS, Bradford 1850+ OATES, Bradford/Tong 1800+ O'LEARY, Shipley 1830+ ROBINSON, Bradford 1850+ SINGLETON, Bradford 1850+ STEAD, Tong 1700+ SUGDEN Tong 1800+ Glad to hear from anyone with similar interests. Regards, Gordon in Ottawa

Hi Valerie Although it is a simple game, there was an enormous interest in it because of the amount of money riding on the players. I can never remember which the Knurr and Spell is, so I have called them the bat and the ball. The aim of the game was to hit a small wooden or pot ball as far as possible. The 'bat' was about four foot in length with a fairly whippy shaft, and a piece of wood about 3 inch by 1 inch at the end for striking the ball. When the player was ready the ball was 'fired' into the air, before being struck. There were two methods of getting the ball into air, (1) the ball rested in a cup on the end of a seesaw, and the player hit the the other end with his bat to fire the ball into air. (2) the cup was at the end of a spring, that was held down by a catch, and the the player sprung the catch with his bat and the ball was fired into the air. I tried my hand at it, many years ago, and never the hit the ball, but my friend's grandfather hit it every time. If I remember correctly, there are examples of the equipment in Shibden Hall museum at Halifax, which is also well worth a visit to see how our ancestors lived in the 16th/17th century. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "vgilbert" <vgilbert@supanet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 06 March 2003 17:05 Subject: [ BRAD] re; 'Bill at Mount' > Derek, maybe I'm the lucky one today, maybe, maybe not > > My John SUTCLIFFE born Mountain around 1841 > I just got the marriage certificate and his father was William Sutcliffe. > Seems worth checking out to me . > I now show my ignorance.What exactly is a 'knurr and spell match'? So many people there too.! This is fascinating stuff and in the right area. Of course with SUTCLIFFE so common it could be any William, or one related or even John's father. They could have been there anyway. > So who can tell me about 'knurr and spell' and the scoring for it ? Very interesting. > > Valerie N Yorks > > Maybe I should add the SUTCLIFFE name to my list for 1841 references .Mountain is the place I'm looking for. > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > The Mailing List Archives are at:- > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BR ADFORD > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello there Please may I ask for a bit of help. I have found my Henry RAWNSLEY on the 1881 census at 8 Lime St, Horton, Bradford age 36. which makes him born aboiut 1844 / 45. I would now to get at the earlier census for 1851 / 1861 / 1871. Could someone with access to the name index please let me know the references. Most probably still in the Horton area. I should then be able to order the correct fiche or film. Many thanbks Pete

Hi Colin If I remember correctly, Vicar Lane from Bridge Street to Leeds Road had the high blank wall of the old Exchange station on one side, and maybe old houses on the other side. Vicar Lane on the other side of Leeds Road, in Little Germany, has changed very little on the outside, the old warehouses being made into modern office suites. The new Law Courts are on the site of the old Exchange station. The new station and transport interchange are on the site of the old goods yard. During the late 50's a large amount of wool came through there, carried to the mills/warehouses on flat trucks pulled by Scammel three wheeled tractors. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Spiller" <colin.spiller@fish.co.uk> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 March 2003 19:46 Subject: Re: [ BRAD] 1841 and 1851 census Bradford - Vicar Lane > Vicar Lane still exists. It crosses Leeds Road near to Eatbrook Well > roundabout. On ome side, it is part of Little Germany, and on the other is > now fairly modern office buiildings and a car park. It's close to where > Exchange Station (hope that's right) was before it was knocked down and > became the transport interchange. > > Colin S > Bingley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vgilbert <vgilbert@supanet.com> > To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:43 PM > Subject: [ BRAD] 1841 and 1851 census Bradford > > > > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I have bought the West Riding > 1841 census CDs but struggle with them and have no success on this search. > some images are illegible , I don't seem to be able to work out the index > either. So I'm begging for help. I have a William MALTBY and Mary Ann his > wife, possibly two or more children living in Vicar Lane Bradford in 1840. > I've worked out that Vicar lane is probably East End and the > Brad.Fam.Hist.Soc. index does have a MALTBY in that area 1841. Guidance > please on finding it on my CD or failing that anyone able to look at a > different film of the census ? > > I know there is a card index for 1851 but I cannot get to it in Bradford > Library to check if the family is still there (or where?) I expect the > children to be John and Martha If they are found in 1851 I could probably > find parents birthplaces. This would really help a lot. > > Very grateful for any help you can give. > > Valerie N Yorks > > > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe > more accurately the subject of *your* message. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > The Mailing List Archives are at:- > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BR ADFORD > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If anyone out there has access to the 1851 census, I would be very grateful for details of Mary HALL, who was born in that area in 1816. Thanks Richard

I am posting this on behalf of a friend who doesn't have a computer. Her father Eddie Bower born Horton, Bradford, 20th May 1902, he was the son of Joe Bower and Elizabeth nee Mitchell, also from Horton. Other children of this marriage were Ernest, believed to have been KIA WW1 but doesn't appear on the cwg site, sisters Lena and Alice. Elizabeth Bower and her children arrived Melbourne 1922. Would anyone be working on these lines? Barbara Melbourne.