Hi All I've got a relative as an inmate at the above establishment in the 1881 census: Abraham FEATHER Birth Year <1831> Birthplace Howarth, York, England Age 50 Occupation Outdoor Labourer Marital Status U <Unmarried> I've checked the 1901 census - not on there I've checked the FreeBMD for a death - nothing that is even a slight possibility. Does anyone know : 1. When this workhouse closed 2. Where inmates were buried if they died in "captivity" It's not desperate that I know this information - just to tidy up a few loose ends and for completeness of data but I've been looking for the old lad for ages (well his parents are a bit of a brick wall too - Robert and Betty FEATHER (nee HOLMES) of Thornton,both born circa 1808 at Oxenhope/.Haworth, married in 1832 at Bradford Cathedral, last seen on the 1851 census at New Halifax, Thornton - abducted by aliens sometime after perhaps?). Other Children of this marriage: 1.Abraham (as above) 2.Edwin b. 1836 (was a Green Grocer at Lane Side, Thornton, married to Sarah) 3.Margaret Ann b.1839 (poss. married into a TETLEY family) 5. Susannah b. 1845 (poss. married Charnock WOOD) 6.John b.1847 (married Jane SAVILLE) Bright Blessings Dawn

Hello Margaret, Although Southfield Place isn't in the A-Z, it was probably in the are of Southfield Lane in the Great Horton area of Bradford. I hope this is of some help to you. Regards Shirley J. North Yorkshire England

Hello Derek, If this message is already on the list, I apologise - it seems there are still problems out there!! Anyway, nice to here from you - but I am not so sure that the Thomas Parkinson that you have found is my Thomas. When my Thomas died in 1874, from his death certificate he was aged 60, which would have made his d.o.b. around 1814. Also, he is found in the Farsley census of 1851 as being aged 38, which would have put his d.o.b. circa 1813 - and the other members of the household were Rebecca Parkinson(36); Elizabeth Parkinson(13); Sarah Ann Parkinson(6); and John Craven Parkinson(1) - which all checks out, so it seems likely that this is my Thomas. However, there is another Thomas Parkinson listed in the 1851 Farsley census, aged 42 - which would have made his d.o.b. as 1809 and it seems likely that this is the Thomas found in the IGI. The information in the IGI, whilst helpful, can sometimes be incomplete and unreliable and should be double checked with other sources if possible. I'm sorry that we do not seem to be related, but in return I may be able to help you (or confirm what you already know!) Regarding your Robert Parkinson, there is one listed in the 1851 Farsley census as being aged 46, making his d.o.b. as 1805. In the same household were Grace Parkinson(45); Martha Parkinson(18); Elizabeth Parkinson(13); James Parkinson(11); Benjamin Parkinson(9); and Ann Parkinson(6). Are these people in your family tree? If you want to view the 1851 Farsley census index, it can be found on the GENUKI web site ( www.genuki.org.uk ). All related people should have the same folio number on the list. I hope the above info. is useful to you. If you think that we still could be related via other links, please get in touch. Best Regards Michael from Lancashire

Hello Derek, Nice to hear from you - but I am not so sure that the Thomas Parkinson that you have found is my Thomas. When my Thomas died in 1874, from his death certificate he was aged 60, which would have made his d.o.b. around 1814. Also, he is found in the Farsley census of 1851 as being aged 38, which would have put his d.o.b. circa 1813 - and the other members of the household were Rebecca Parkinson(36); Elizabeth Parkinson(13); Sarah Ann Parkinson(6); and John Craven Parkinson(1) - which all checks out, so it seems likely that this is my Thomas. However, there is another Thomas Parkinson listed in the 1851 Farsley census, aged 42 - which would have made his d.o.b. as 1809 and it seems likely that this is the Thomas found in the IGI. The information in the IGI, whilst helpful, can sometimes be incomplete and unreliable and should be double checked with other sources where possible. I'm sorry that we do not seem to be related, but in return I may be able to help you (or confirm what you already know!). Regarding your Robert Parkinson, there is one listed in the 1851 Farsley census as being aged 46, making his d.o.b as 1805. In the same household were Grace Parkinson(45); Martha Parkinson(18); James Parkinson(11); Elizabeth Parkinson(13); Benjamin Parkinson(9); and Ann Parkinson(6). Are these your relations? If you want to view the 1851 Farsley census index, it can be found on the GENUKI website( www.genuki.org.uk ). All related people should have the same folio number in the list. I hope the above info. is useful to you. If you think that we still could be related via other links, please get in touch. Best Regards Michael from Lancashire

Hi, I would appreciate anyone with a picture of St Patricks Church, Westgate and has access to a scanner to please send me a copy for inclusion in a family history I am writing. Thank you, Don in Sydney, OZ

Yesterday's posting of deaths from the newspaper may have provided the breakthrough I desperately needed. Included was the death of the twelve year old daughter of one of my particularly elusive ancestors, David Brear. Please can anyone with access to the 1851 cenus look at Southfield Place and see if there is a David Brear living there with his wife Mary and family. He was in Belgrave Place Manningham in 1849, and in Hanover Square in 1858, (but not in 1861) so he obviously moved a lot, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed......... Thank you Margaret Switzerland

Can anyone claim this man? Reported in the Bradford Observer March 1856. SERIOUS ACCIDENT _ On Saturday, John SYKES, a labourer employed at the mill which is being erected at Haley Hill by Messrs James AKROYD and Son, fell from the scaffold of the boiler house, a distance of ten yards, alighting on his back. The unfortunate man was very much stunned by the fall, and was removed to the Infirmary, where he still lies in a very precarious state. Wonder how he faired? Kind regards Judith Kettlewell

Continuing deaths from the Bradford Observer 24 March 1856. Glad to hear that people are finding ancestors amongst these people. Same day, aged 82, Rebecca, widow of John O'BRIEN, Chelsea Pensioner, Hannah Gate. Same day, aged 52, Mr John MOUNTAIN, sexton of Otley Parish Church Same day, aged 88, Eunice, widow of Mr James PEACE, manufacturer, Upper Cumberworth On Thursday last, aged 13, Mary Maude, youngest daughter of the Rev. John URQUHART, incumbent of Chapel Allerton. Same day, at Wortley, aged 59, Mary Ann, wife of Mr Peter ROBINSON, cloth manufacturer, Mill Green, and mother of Mr Joshua Robison, corn dealer, New Wortley. Same day, at Manchester, Andrew, youngest son of Mr Andrew WALES, Glenluce, Wigtonshire. Yesterday week, aged 68, Mrs Mary FOSTER, widow, Denholme Clough, Thornton. Same day, aged 76, William WRIGHT, Pit Lane. Same day, aged 89, at the Union Workhouse, Thomas FLINN, wool comber. More later. Regards Judith

Hi list, more of those wonderful Keighley Characters.....it does as Roy said....make you wonder how man 'Normal' people were in Keighley........"whatever normal might be" Patsy MEEGAN - 'Patsy the Cooper' made ashtubs (dustbins) and tubs for washing (washing tubs) out of old apple barrels. Butter barrels and beer barrels with old bed laths (for the iron bands) He was know to reside in Ivy Place. Mickey LANE A shellshocked soldier from the 1914-1918 War. He would dart across the street, narrowly being missed by waggons and buses. (He could not have survived modern traffic) One moment he would be deep in conversation with you, the next he would shoot off. He refused to leave his house, in Burlington Street, as it was being demolished around him in the 1930s. He did not want to go to the Workhouse or St. Johns......BUT no one knows what became of him. Jimmy PATON Would go around whitewashing cellars and ceilings. He would pawn his clogs to get a drink and find some old shoes to wear in the meantime. He would then redeem his clogs after he had done another whitewashing job. He lived in the Kip. 'Smith Pick' PICKARD known as 'Belt O' Quids' Would carry around the gold coins with which he was paid out after fighting in the Boer War, he carried them in his money belt. He was a big man, who worked for the Corporation, mostly on the manholes. He lived in eddie's Lodging House. The Beadle. Was a massive Irish navvy, of short stature. He was very sociable and would go to the 'Irish National' (Club). He lived in West Lane, and used to go around with 'Widow' Tush a well known lady, who lived by the Brown Cow pub in Turkey Street. (Brown Cow pub is still there) More later....................... WArmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text

Hi, I am new to this list and just thought I would list my interests in the Shipley/Bradford area. Wilks 1835-1950 Spink 1840-1917 Birch 1860-1950 In case anyone else may be researching these lines. Jane Milner

Hi List Wonder if any of you have heard about this.............Rob has given permission for this to be publishes to any list. rob_caribbean@yahoo.co.uk (Rob Thompson) UK-FAMILYHISTORYNEWS-L@rootsweb.com GENUKI FAMILY HISTORY NEWS No 127 27 February 2003 Hi Everyone and welcome to this weeks issue of GENUKI Family History News Some of you will be aware of the most astonishing news that I heard today, and will pass on to you. The Society of Genealogists Enterprises has now decided to close its bookshop. I feel saddened that the SoG does not see the value and commercial possibilities of having a bookshop on its premises. It appears that somehow the facility has been losing money for some time and instead of planning and budgeting for the future and understanding the possibilities of this they have instead decided to close. To me, an incredibly short sighted decision, but others may see the sense. It will no doubt benefit other retailers, who will not necessarily put any profit back into family history. Most of all I feel saddened for the staff, some of whom have put a lot of time and effort to make the bookshop work. I would ask them to reconsider this rash decision but fear my voice would not be heard On a brighter note, I have seen that the Federation of Family History Societies are taking over Genfair, after the site was closed after one of the founders untimely passing away. Hopefully under their stewardship the site will continue to grow, and indeed prove online selling can be profitable Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country Co-List Admin Eng-Yorks, Bradford Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Updated daily automatically. WARNING ..... To help prevent any virus transmission DO NOT open any attachments to this mail unless the attachment filename is quoted in my first line of the message text

"Lynda Minarzick" <minarzick@sympatico.ca> wrote..... > I am just starting to use the internet for genealogy and am having > a terrific time looking at everything that is out there. I have > just discovered Ancestry.co.uk which is offering the 1891 census. > > Is this the full census or just part of it? There are three > pieces of information in that census which could be very > worthwhile for me to find. I see that they are offering a > two-week trial but are> asking for a credit card number. The way > I read it I can go in there for trial period, retrieve my stuff > and then cancel my subscription. I don't want to come across as a > cheap scape but I know I would never use it for anywhere near the > amount that they are asking for a year's subscription. Has anyone > else I would really appreciate some answers to my questions.> I WILL perhaps be careful in what I say, but I have to tell you that in the UK Ancestry.com has a rather poor reputation. I have heard numerous horror stories of people who have fallen for their so-called "free trial", then had an annual subscription taken from their credit card and found it the devil's own job to cancel it (especially if you live outside America). Moreover, much of the data they wish to charge you for is available free elsewhere, if you look around carefully. I don't much care for their methods of selling genealogical data like soap powder or hamburgers and I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole, frankly. However, it's a matter only the individual can decide upon. I might just add that if you are talking about the 1891 census for Yorkshire (which presumably you are, as you are posting to a Yorkshire list) then you can buy this on a set of 31 CDs for the whole county. It costs £49.95, but at least you will have it for ever more and be able to use it as often as you like, rather than having to pay out annually to an American corporate multiple that regards genealogical data purely as a business. If you want to know how to buy the 1891 census for Yorkshire on CD, feel free to ask and I or someone will tell you. Alternatively, someone might be willing to do a lookup for you if you post full details. Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Continuing the deaths from the Bradford Observer 24 March 1856 Same day, Alfred, infant son of Mr NICHOLSON, bookseller, Chapel Lane, Bingley. Same day, in Pleasant Diarp, aged 54, Mr John RHODES, one of the poor rate collectors for the township of Leods. On Saturday last, Mr Henry BINNS, of Thornton, formerly of Haworth. The deceased had been a severe sufferer from cancer in the face for nearly 20 years. Same day, aged 29, Harriet, wife of Mr Thomas WHITLEY, ironmoulder, Manchester Road. On Friday last, at Thornton, Mr Philip WARBURTON. gardener, of Clayton, aged 72. Same day, aged 67, Elizabeth, wife of Mr Charles BREWER, Foundry Street. Same day, aged 80, Mr Thomas FACER, Bridge Street. More to come later. Kind regards Judith

Hi listers, What problems there have been recently!! Well I have ditched MSN (problems) for this work and swapped to my default ISP which will hopefully give less problems. Anyway, back to the task in hand. This is a repeat of a message sent previously with MSN. Is there anyone who could give me any more information on one THOMAS PARKINSON (born circa 1813/1814 in Pudsey - died August 1874 in Farsley)? On 23 May 1836, he married REBECCA CRAVEN at Calverley Parish Church (St. Wilfred) and, from the parish register, his occupation was a farmer. In August 1837, the first of their known children was born (Elizabeth), followed in 1844 by Sarah Ann, and in 1850 by John Craven. In 1837, Thomas and Rebecca were living at Wadlands Hall. An extract from "A Topographical Dictionary of Yorkshire" dated 1822 has the entry under "Wadlands" stating that Wadlands was a farmhouse in the township of Calverley; 3 miles from Bradford. By 1849, it looks like Wadlands Hall may have been known as "Wadlands Grange", at least for a time. Has anybody any further info. on the history of Wadlands? Regarding Thomas and Rebecca's children - ELIZABETH PARKINSON married ABRAHAM PAWSON in 1861 at Farsley - SARAH ANN PARKINSON married JOSEPH FARRAR ( Sarah Ann died early 1883 and it seems possible that Joseph remarried to a Nancy Armitage later in 1883) - JOHN CRAVEN PARKINSON married ELIZABETH GOTT in 1876 in Farsley. Do any of the above names appear in your tree? Has anyone any details on the birth of Thomas Parkinson and the names of his parents? Any help would be most appreciated to break through my "brick wall". Michael from Lancashire.

----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Whyte <hwhyte@rogers.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Kettlewell in Bradford 1840 > Could anyone help with Hannah KETTLEWELL, who married in Bradford in 1842 or > 43 and died in Leeds in about 1881. I believe she had children born in > Bradford. Would like to know any history about her, particularly her > parents and home. Thank you - > > Helen Whyte > Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > E-mail etiquette pays dividends! - please CAPITALISE surnames, > other text CAPITALisation usually means your shouting! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have a quarter page of deaths from the Bradford Observer 24 March 1856. I Will post a few at a time On Tuesday last, aged 14, John CLARK, mill hand, Clarence Street. On Monday last, aged 30, Mr Robert PAWSON, of Bedford Street. [My 2x gt grandfather]. Same day, aged 38, Catharine, wife of Mr Wm. FITZMAURICE, Philadelphia Court. Same day, aged 12, Susannah, daughter of Mr David BREAR, cashier, Southfield Place. On Sunday last, aged 29, Helen, wife of Mr John SUGDEN, Mulgrave Street. Same day, aged 61, Lydia, relict of Mr John CLARK, Otley Road. Same day, at the residence of his brother in law, Mr Benjamin Lister, shopkeeper, Hill Street, Bingley, Mr Jas. ABBY of Hull aged 57. I'll send some more tomorrow. Regards Judith Kettlewell

Many thanks David for a useful list. Very many of my ancestors were among the tough lot who mined and a great uncle Reuben fell to his death in a pitshaft. He was 24 and had worked as a hurrier from 8 yrs old.His words aged 16 were recorded by a safety report officer doing the 1842 Royal commision on Childrens safety in the mines. Actually Reuben had never known any other life and was well resigned to his tough life.The conditions reported sound intolerable.Yet so many spent their whole working lives providing coal for the industry and the nations homes. Horrific really. Thank you for the list If anyone is interested the Children's Employment Commission 1842 has interviews with children, boys and girls from 6yrsin a report by Samuel S SCRIVEN Esq. collieries of West Yorks http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk for information and extracts. Valerie NYorks

Hi, Can anyone tell me please which Film of the 6 for the 1871 Census for Bradford I should be scanning that would include Ebor Street Also for the Film for the 1861 Census covering Westgrove Street, Thanks, Don in Oz

Cheers David, I have a lot of people in my tree (Ingham & Jackson) who were miners and lived in Wilsden. This will be very useful when I get to researching some family history on them. Thanks again. Dave Knowles Powick, Worcs, UK Researching : CLAREY, HEBDEN, HUSTLER, INGHAM, JACKSON, KNOWLES, NORTHEN, WILKINSON -----Original Message----- From: David Binns [mailto:davidbinns@qual-chem-tech.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2003 15:07 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ BRAD] Bradford Collieries Hello Listers, There is so little evidence of mining activity left in the area and yet the growth of the textile industry of Bradford was in no small part due to the local supply of coal, that I thought you might be interested to read the following: YORKSHIRE PAST AND PRESENT: Coal Mines of the Bradford District.- The mineral statistics of the United Kingdom for the year 1871, published in 1872, give the number of collieries in the Bradford district, at forty-nine. The following are their names as furnished by Mr. Frank N. Wardell, colliery inspector for Yorkshire for the year 1871:- Allerton (2), Aycliffe Hall (Horton), Bolton Wood, Booth Holme Field (Tong),, Bowling (4), Bradford Broom Hall, Bunkers Hill, Cleckheaton (2), Clifton, Cotton Hole (North Bierley), Culter sic Height, Dog Lane, Eccleshill, Haycliffe Hilt (Horton),Heaton, Heaton (Shipley), Holme Bank, Hunsworth, Laister Dyke, Little Horton, North Bierley (2), North Cliff, Red Hill (Tong), Rockwell, Scholes, Seventeens (Clifton), Shelf (2), Shipley, Shipley Moor, Smeddles (Bowling), Thornton, Thornton Road (2), Tong Street, Tong (3), Wibsey, Wibsey Bank Foot, Wike, Wroe. The Bradford district in 1869 yielded 1,799,500 tons of coal. In another list from the same source the owners name is given. I have written the name in brackets after the name of the colliery all in the Bradford district: Allerton (Bowling Iron Co.); Allerton (Wood & Son); Aycliffe Hill, Horton (Rushworth &Co.); Birkby Lane (Robertshaw &Co.); Bolton Wood (Handforth & Co.); Booth Holme Field, Tong (Holliday & Clough); Bowling (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Bowling (Joseph Beanland); Bowling ( Bowling Iron Co.); Bowling (E. Gittins); Bradford (Bowling Iron Co.); Broom Hall (Thomas Pitts); Bunkers Hill (Bowling Iron Co.); Clayton (Barstow & Co.); Cleckheaton (Bowling Iron Co.); Cleckheaton (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Clifton ((Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Cotton Hole, North Bierley (B. Collingham); Cutler Height (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); (Dog Lane (G. Mortimer); Eccleshill (Thomas Tomlinson); Haycliffe Hilt, Horton (John Bottomley); Heaton (Briggs & Sons); Heaton, Shipley (George Heaton); High Bank, Shipley (Beck & Co.); Holme Bank (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy);Hunsworth (Bowling Iron Co.); Laister Dyke (Joseph Cliffe &Son); Little Horton (Charles North); North Bierley (Bowling Iron Co.); North Bierley (Hird, Daws! on, & Hardy);North Cliff (Shipley Fire Clay Co.); Norwood Green (John Bairstow); Rockwell (Smith & Co.); Scholes (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Seventeens, Clifton (Bowling Iron Co.); Shelf (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Shelf (Bowling Iron Co.); Shipley (Airedale Brick and Tube Co.); Shipley Moor (William Frith); Smedles, Bowling (John Crowther); Thornton (William Illingworth); Thornton (Townsend & Co.); Thornton (Wood & Son); Thornton Road (Charles North); Tong (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy); Tong (S. Broadbent); Tong (Bowling Iron Co.); Wibsey (Charles North); Wike (Hird, Dawson, & Hardy). In the Bingley district there were: Cullingworth (Edward Townsend); Denholme (Thomas Horsfall &Co.); Denholme (Thomas Townsend); Norr Hill, Wisden (Baxandall & Co.); Shipley Moor (Briggs and Sons); Wilsden (Wood & Son). Regards, David Binns, Tyneside. ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== The Mailing List Archives are at:- http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BRADFORD http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am just starting to use the internet for genealogy and am having a terrific time looking at everything that is out there. I have just discovered Ancestry.co.uk which is offering the 1891 census. Is this the full census or just part of it? There are three pieces of information in that census which could be very worthwhile for me to find. I see that they are offering a two-week trial but are asking for a credit card number. The way I read it I can go in there for trial period, retrieve my stuff and then cancel my subscription. I don't want to come across as a cheap scape but I know I would never use it for anywhere near the amount that they are asking for a year's subscription. Has anyone else cancelled on them before the end of the trial? Did they have trouble with charges to their credit card? Is this site the same as the regular Ancestry? My local family history center has a subscription to this site and I can log on there for 50 cents per hour. I would really appreciate some answers to my questions. Lynda in Montreal