Thanks to Gwen,Arthur , David and Derek I seem nearer to solving this.I think I'm learning about how to find the place on the CD but it is still difficult to read. Looking up help has been offered too I'll contact you individually for that. Thanks for help and encouragement. Valerie ( getting there steadily!)

Vicar Lane still exists. It crosses Leeds Road near to Eatbrook Well roundabout. On ome side, it is part of Little Germany, and on the other is now fairly modern office buiildings and a car park. It's close to where Exchange Station (hope that's right) was before it was knocked down and became the transport interchange. Colin S Bingley ----- Original Message ----- From: vgilbert <vgilbert@supanet.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: [ BRAD] 1841 and 1851 census Bradford > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I have bought the West Riding 1841 census CDs but struggle with them and have no success on this search. some images are illegible , I don't seem to be able to work out the index either. So I'm begging for help. I have a William MALTBY and Mary Ann his wife, possibly two or more children living in Vicar Lane Bradford in 1840. I've worked out that Vicar lane is probably East End and the Brad.Fam.Hist.Soc. index does have a MALTBY in that area 1841. Guidance please on finding it on my CD or failing that anyone able to look at a different film of the census ? > I know there is a card index for 1851 but I cannot get to it in Bradford Library to check if the family is still there (or where?) I expect the children to be John and Martha If they are found in 1851 I could probably find parents birthplaces. This would really help a lot. > Very grateful for any help you can give. > Valerie N Yorks > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Valerie, I can't help with the Cds, but I will be in Bradford Central Library at the beginning of April and can check the 1851 index for you. Let me know if you want me to do that. Also, regarding the CD, how are the entries indexed? Does it use the micro fische indexes? The reason I ask is that, to the best of my knowledge, there are surname indexes for a lot of the census's (what's the plural for that then?....I feel an intercept from Roy heading my way) in Bradford Central Library and if there's one for 1841 it might help you as it cross references the names to the fische indexes. Regards, Dave Dave Knowles Powick, Worcs, UK Researching : CLEARY, HEBDEN, HUSTLER, INGHAM, JACKSON, KNOWLES, NORTHEN, WILKINSON -----Original Message----- From: vgilbert [mailto:vgilbert@supanet.com] Sent: 04 March 2003 17:43 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ BRAD] 1841 and 1851 census Bradford I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I have bought the West Riding 1841 census CDs but struggle with them and have no success on this search. some images are illegible , I don't seem to be able to work out the index either. So I'm begging for help. I have a William MALTBY and Mary Ann his wife, possibly two or more children living in Vicar Lane Bradford in 1840. I've worked out that Vicar lane is probably East End and the Brad.Fam.Hist.Soc. index does have a MALTBY in that area 1841. Guidance please on finding it on my CD or failing that anyone able to look at a different film of the census ? I know there is a card index for 1851 but I cannot get to it in Bradford Library to check if the family is still there (or where?) I expect the children to be John and Martha If they are found in 1851 I could probably find parents birthplaces. This would really help a lot. Very grateful for any help you can give. Valerie N Yorks ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I have bought the West Riding 1841 census CDs but struggle with them and have no success on this search. some images are illegible , I don't seem to be able to work out the index either. So I'm begging for help. I have a William MALTBY and Mary Ann his wife, possibly two or more children living in Vicar Lane Bradford in 1840. I've worked out that Vicar lane is probably East End and the Brad.Fam.Hist.Soc. index does have a MALTBY in that area 1841. Guidance please on finding it on my CD or failing that anyone able to look at a different film of the census ? I know there is a card index for 1851 but I cannot get to it in Bradford Library to check if the family is still there (or where?) I expect the children to be John and Martha If they are found in 1851 I could probably find parents birthplaces. This would really help a lot. Very grateful for any help you can give. Valerie N Yorks

Dear Listers, Thanks to Judith Kettlewell's advice, my mystery address of 'Telsbridge' Lane has turned into Silsbridge Lane (hand-written), now re-named Grattan Road and right in the middle of Bradford, near Westgate. Well I'm 99% sure about that - it would clinch it once and for all if someone could pin-point Middleton Field for me. I have seen the name used (in the address on a Nonagenarian's list!) so it *did* exist - but where? I'd be just delighted if someone recognised it. Regards, Knola Jeffery in New Zealand.

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"Margaret Elliott" <meelliott@btinternet.com> wrote..... > Am I correct in thinking that all records for Wike/Wyke are found in the Parish of Birstall?> YES. Wyke is a township in Birstall parish. However, there is an Anglican church at Wyke, St Mary's, built 1847. According to the NIPR for the West Riding it became a separate parish in 1844 and registers from that date are at the West Yorkhire Archives, Bradford branch in Canal Rd. Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

[From a book by James Parker of districts round Bradford,1902] This old landmark is situated at Whitfield Hill,and was built by Dr.SUGDEN,IN 1789,who owned the estate around there,including Whitfield House. In 1822 it was occupied by Robert WOODHEAD as miller,in 1837 by John MITCHELL,and for a period of several years it fell into disuse and went to ruin nearly,and Francis Sharp BRIDGE,of Horton Old Hall,became the owner of it. In 1852 Benjamin BARRACLOUGH took it,then his son,William BARRACLOUGH, followed his father,now Benjamin BARRACLOUGH,grandson to the above,has been miller there for 16 years [1902] ======================================= I remember what remained of the mill when I lived in Shelf as a child,but what there is now I couldn't say. Cheers------Derek.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicola Clarke" <clarke@dutchally69.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [ BRAD] The HALL family of Eccleshill Hi Richard, I have a large faimily tree of Hall a James bap 1819 at Bradford but born in Shipley but not to "Mary" married 3 times may be more? 7 Feb 1846 Emily Smith, 25 Dec 1848 Hennretta Bairstow and later Jane Middleton there were 5 children amongest these 3 wives. They are very near may be cousins? Regards Janet > > I would appreciate any information on my ancestors, the HALL family of > Eccleshill; > Father - James - b1815 - Shipley > Mother - Mary (nee MOSS?) - b1817 - Calverley > Children (all born Eccleshill) > Joseph b1836 > Harriet b1838 > William b1840 > John b1846 > Henry b1848 > Hannah Edwina b1852 > Walton b 1856 > > Thanks for any help > Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: del barr [mailto:delbarr2@activemail.co.uk] > Sent: 02 March 2003 00:49 > To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ BRAD] The [original]Shoulder of Mutton Inn,Shelf > > > [From a James Parker book about districts around Bradford,1902] > This old chapel is situated at the junction of the Old Carr House Lane and > the Bradford and Halifax highway.It has been modernised some years ago.It > is supposed to be over two centuries old.It was the 'baiting'place for > packmen and horses and stage coaches and their travellers before the new > highway to Bradford and Halifax Road was made. > In the year 1822 Thos.OGDEN kept this house ; 1830,Hannah OGDEN ;1838,James > LIGHTOWLER ; 1845,John WILKINSON ; 1853,Jacob PINDER.The next landlords > were as follows--- > James WOOD 2 years ; John PILLING,7 years : John HOLDEN ; and Wm.JAGGER > kept it 29 years--he died in 1900 and was succeeded by his son,Albert > JAGGER,who is the present landlord [1902] > ======================================== > Being Shelf-born I can remember this old inn when I was going to Shelf > Church School from 1933 to 1939.It was demolished sometime during those 7 > years > the present inn taking its place. > Cheers------Derek. > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > The Mailing List Archives are at:- > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > E-mail etiquette pays dividends! - please CAPITALISE surnames, > other text CAPITALisation usually means your shouting! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Cousin Tana, Nice to hear from you.I'm sorry but the extract I posted was complete,there were no dates given for John Pilling.He must have been there after 1855.The census for 1861 or 1871 might record him being there,but it's 'sod's law'that he ws probably in between !!! I don't know if Trade Directories have a section for 'Pub' landlords or not. Knowing what kind & learned folk Bradford Listers are,someone might know the answer. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Cheers------Derek

Hi Everyone Spotted on ebay auction site. Nothing to do with me but might be of interest to any Spencer researchers. City of Bradford Condolences Certificate --Pt. George Henry Spencer -1919 Issued on Peace Day July 19th 1919. Regards Lynne

Am I correct in thinking that all records for Wike/Wyke are found in the Parish of Birstall? Margaret

Sorry for the first listing, but Caroline was born 1831. Her husband was born in 1818. I guess I was a little to anxious to post my request.

I would appreciate any information on my ancestors, the HALL family of Eccleshill; Father - James - b1815 - Shipley Mother - Mary (nee MOSS?) - b1817 - Calverley Children (all born Eccleshill) Joseph b1836 Harriet b1838 William b1840 John b1846 Henry b1848 Hannah Edwina b1852 Walton b 1856 Thanks for any help Richard -----Original Message----- From: del barr [mailto:delbarr2@activemail.co.uk] Sent: 02 March 2003 00:49 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ BRAD] The [original]Shoulder of Mutton Inn,Shelf [From a James Parker book about districts around Bradford,1902] This old chapel is situated at the junction of the Old Carr House Lane and the Bradford and Halifax highway.It has been modernised some years ago.It is supposed to be over two centuries old.It was the 'baiting'place for packmen and horses and stage coaches and their travellers before the new highway to Bradford and Halifax Road was made. In the year 1822 Thos.OGDEN kept this house ; 1830,Hannah OGDEN ;1838,James LIGHTOWLER ; 1845,John WILKINSON ; 1853,Jacob PINDER.The next landlords were as follows--- James WOOD 2 years ; John PILLING,7 years : John HOLDEN ; and Wm.JAGGER kept it 29 years--he died in 1900 and was succeeded by his son,Albert JAGGER,who is the present landlord [1902] ======================================== Being Shelf-born I can remember this old inn when I was going to Shelf Church School from 1933 to 1939.It was demolished sometime during those 7 years the present inn taking its place. Cheers------Derek. ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== The Mailing List Archives are at:- http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-YKS-BRADFORD http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-YKS-BRADFORD ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The [original]Shoulder of Mutton Inn,Shelf ....SNIP.....In the year 1822 Thos.OGDEN kept this house ; 1830,Hannah OGDEN > ;1838,James LIGHTOWLER ; 1845,John WILKINSON ; 1853,Jacob PINDER.The next > landlords were as follows--- > James WOOD 2 years ; John PILLING,7 years Hello cousin Derek, Can you tell me which years John PILLING was in situ please? I believe him to be the scoundrel who married my gg-grandmother Elizabeth ROTHERA and led her a merry dance. He suffered with something a relative politely called "the wanderlust", although by all accounts there was a good deal less wandering than lusting. All best wishes, Tana Willis Johnson PS - thank you for the card. Interests: ROTHERA/ROTHERY everywhere

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Thanks to all for your kind responses on Yorkshire Pudding. Best, Vicky

[From a James Parker book about districts around Bradford,1902] This old chapel is situated at the junction of the Old Carr House Lane and the Bradford and Halifax highway.It has been modernised some years ago.It is supposed to be over two centuries old.It was the 'baiting'place for packmen and horses and stage coaches and their travellers before the new highway to Bradford and Halifax Road was made. In the year 1822 Thos.OGDEN kept this house ; 1830,Hannah OGDEN ;1838,James LIGHTOWLER ; 1845,John WILKINSON ; 1853,Jacob PINDER.The next landlords were as follows--- James WOOD 2 years ; John PILLING,7 years : John HOLDEN ; and Wm.JAGGER kept it 29 years--he died in 1900 and was succeeded by his son,Albert JAGGER,who is the present landlord [1902] ======================================== Being Shelf-born I can remember this old inn when I was going to Shelf Church School from 1933 to 1939.It was demolished sometime during those 7 years the present inn taking its place. Cheers------Derek.

[Taken from a book by James Parker about Bradford districts,1902] 1)Crown Hotel. This well-known Hotel stands at the junction of Storr Hill Road and New Road Side.It was built during the years 1865-6,by Joseph BARRACLOUGH,father of Mr.Gaythorne BARRACLOUGH of Wike,Wm.HANSON being Architect.A beer license was obtained for it in 1866,and in 1867 a full license was granted. 2)The Old Red Lion Inn. This old hostel used to be in the block of buildings next to the Lower Manor House in Wike Lane,and when the Huddersfield Road was made the license was transferred to the present house,at the junction of the Whitehall and Huddersfield Road in 1822.It was kept by Anthony COLLINS. 3)The Furnace Inn. This old inn once existed near to the entrance of Town Gate,Wike,and near to what was called the 'Bowling Green'In the year 1822 it was kept by Samuel BIRKBY,butcher,and in the year 1830 it was occupied by Richard and Mary BIRKBY. It was a one storied building,and was pulled down many long years ago. ======================================= Not many people mentioned this time,but I hope some Listers can lay claim to them. Cheers-------Derek.