Hi List, All the lists are very very quite....... so dont panic..... Maybe the troubled times we live in...... No discussion please!!!!!! I hear spring has spring in England & on the West Coast of Canada so maybe folks are out in there gardens... Back here in central Canada we still have 2 feet of snow on the ground though temperatures have warmed up. But I am sure things will get better..... Elaine Ottawa. Canada. List Admin. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03

Hi Listers Just wondered if anyone is having the same problem as I - a lack of BRADFORD e-mail? It has been several days since I have received any. Perhaps have been unsubscribed by gremlins. Best regards Jackie Pickard Fyfe In Montreal

Hi, This suggests that this village was mostly populated by Britons, and probably outside of the borders of the old Celtic country of Elmet or Loidis. Elmet roughly occupied the area of the West Riding. There is no record that it was ever conquered by the Saxons, and is thought to have been annexed by them and so protected. - Edwin of Deira "annexed the little Celtic State of Elmet or Loidis, in the Yorkshire West Riding, which had probably already been made tributary by Aethelfrith, and expelled its king Cerdic. .............. if we accept Bede's rather vaguely worded narrative of his (Edwin's) conquests, we must place them all in the time after 626." (extract from Sir Charles Oman's "A History of England Before the Norman Conquest"). The name Wales, is a Saxon word meaning, 'The Land of the foreigners". Wallachia in Eastern Europe and the Walloons of Belgium, are also so named by the Saxons. I think therefore that the village of Wales must have been a small offshoot of Elmet, in a predominently Saxon area. It is now thought that the Saxons didn't commit absolute genocide, but large pockets of Celts were absorbed into their kingdoms. English grammar has retained something of the old language of Cymraeg. For example we use a present continuous tense as do the Welsh - "I am giving". Franco-Germanic languages would simply say, "I give" when using the present tense. Furthermore, we tend to answer a question, with an affirmative sentence like "I do", instead of just saying 'yes'. There is no word for 'yes' in Welsh. They would answer "Ydw" (pronounced er doh). This cannot have come about if the races didn't mingle. England by the way is known as Lloegr, meaning "The Lost Lands". Best Regards Malcolm Hutton ----- Original Message ----- From: "etpickard" <etpickard@rogers.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Wales, York, England > Hi Wendy, > > Wales is in South Yorkshire very close to Killamarsh & Sheffield. > > Kindest regards. > Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/2003

Hi A while ago there were some very interesting messages posted about the district of 'Wales' in Yorkshire. I zapped them because at the time I didn't think I'd have a connection but have just found a likely 'Robert Williams aged 8' in the 1881 census and he is quoted as being born 'Wales, York, England'. I had been told he was born in Wales but assumed it was the country. Could someone please remind me where Wales, York is just in case he is the Robert I am looking for? Many thanks Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Hi, I have just updated my web site and have over 1,000 ancestors listed, covering Yorkshire, Notts, Derby, Norfolk and Hessen in Germany. The url is below, please have a look and see if you can find a missing relative. Best Regards Sharon Australia http://users.bigpond.net.au/richardson

I joined the list last month and have been monitoring it hoping to find someone looking for the same ancestors.No luck so far, so I'm ready to jump in. My g-g-grandparents emigrated to Philadelphia, PA, USA in 1848. I have obtained a copy of their marriage certificate, which reads as follows: "Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Bradford in the County of York, 26 November 1843, John HEYWOOD, age 27, Bachelor, Dresser, resident of Bradford, son of John HEYWOOD, Weaver, married Dinah DALTON, 22, Spinster, Weaver, resident of New Leeds, Daughter of Joseph DALTON, Weaver". John signed and Dinah wrote an X. John was born 25 March 1816, place unknown. Dinah was born 27 March 1821, place also unknown. After arriving in the US, they spelled the name HAYWOOD. I have extensive information on the family from 1848 forward, which I will gladly share with any interested "cousins" for information pre-1848. I love THE LIST, and the fascinating information which everyone generously shares. Thank you all. Steve Haywood Rowayton, Connecticut, USA

Hi Wendy, Wales is in South Yorkshire very close to Killamarsh & Sheffield. Kindest regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/03

Hi, Anyone besides myself have any connections to Phebe Sutcliffe..? The information I source for her Christening was off the I.G.I.. PHEBE SUTCLIFF Christening: 06 MAY 1832 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM SUTCLIFF Family Mother: MARIA Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call C107652 1825 - 1845 0990537-0990539 Film 6911014 Derek also gave me a marriage ofr a Phebe Sutcliff and Joseph Mitchell 29th October 1851 St John's Church Bierley. Joseph Mitchell was the son of Thomas Mitchell brother of Francis and John Mitchell of Bowling... The parties to this firm were Messrs George Turner and Thomas Mitchell, the latter being the father of Abraham and Joseph Mitchell, who,under the firm of "Mitchell Bros.", acquired the property by purchase in 1854, on the dissolution of partnership of Turner and Mitchell. In their hands both the premises and business have been largely developed, and as mohair spinners the firm has acquired a great reputation. Frank and Johnny Mitchell, as they are familiarly named, occupied the adjoining mill in Horton township, erected by Ellis Cunliffe Lister, Esquire. They were brothers to the above named Thomas Mitchell." This information was kindly provided by a another member on the list and quoted from a book called 'Histories of Bolton and Bowling' by William Cudworth and published in 1891 Kind regards Lori Mitchell

Loom Street was off Lingard Street. Lingard Street linked Wapping Road to Bolton Road. Not far out of the centre of Bradford. Regards Lynne

Hi Bottomley and Mitchell Researchers, The two marriages posted recently involving 2 Bottomley sisters and two Mitchell brothers I have found more information on the father of the boys, Joseph Mitchell. Just to refresh you memories.... Derek Barraclough found this in a page about the Bottomley Family of Shelf [a wealthy woollen manufacturing family] 'Miss Elizabeth Bottomley married Mr.Albert Mitchell of Longwood Hall,Bingley,2nd.son of the late Mr.Joseph Mitchell of Bowling Park,Bradford.Miss Florence Jane Bottomley married Mr.Rufus Mitchell,eldest son of the late Mr.Joseph Mitchell of Bowling Park' [These were sisters,the daughters of Samuel Bottomley & Caroline Jane Holmes. Here is the the 1861 census for Rufus and Albert Mitchell living with Joseph and their mother Phebe.... Information kindly provided by Derek Barraclough, a legend for any of us Aussies 1861 Census,Bradford,Bowling District. Burnett Field [mis-spelled 'Benett'] Joseph Mitchell,head,marr.aged 30, Worsted Spinner,born Horton. Phebe M.wife,aged 29,born Horton. Rufus M.son aged 8,Scholar,born Bowling. Albert M.son aged 6,Scholar,b.Bowling. Clara M.dau.aged 4,Scholar,born Bowling. Harry M.son aged 2,born Bowling. Unnamed Infant dau.aged 1 week,b.Bowling Now Joseph Mitchell is living in the property onced owned by his father Thomas Mitchell of Burnett Field... I also have marriage for Joseph Mitchell and Phebe Sutcliff at 29th October 1851 St John's Parish Church Bierley. and a christening record for Phebe Sutcliff sourced from the I.G.I. PHEBE SUTCLIFF Christening: 06 MAY 1832 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM SUTCLIFF Family Mother: MARIA Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:Type: C107652 1825 - 1845 0990537-0990539 Film 6911014 Film Now I understand all you super sleuths will want to confirm all the new information and please let me know if I have given any wrong information... Kind regars Lori Mitchell

Hello Does anyone know whereabouts in Bradford one could find 'Loom Street'. It is no longer listed in the A-Z and, I should imagine, it would have been in a not too good an area. Many thanks Judith Kettlewell

Baptisms and burials of Bradford folk at Rawden Chapel in the Parish of Guiseley 1813 to 1820 BAPTISMS 02 May 1819 - James, son of Joseph & Sarah BARRETT of Bradford, tailor 16 May 1819 - Robert, son of William & Elizabeth BEANLAND of Bradford, sawyer 19 Dec 1819 - Martha, daughter of John & Susannah NOBLE? SOBLE? of Bradford, wool comber BURIALS 27 May 1814 - William CHARLESWORTH of Eccleshill aged 22 13 Jun 1814 - Eleanor HARKER daughter of Simion & Mary of Bradford aged 6 10 Jul 1814 - Jos. CHARLESWORTH of Eccleshill aged 31 06 Feb 1815 - Margaret WAUGH widow of Eccleshill aged 82 21 May 1815 - Mary HUDSON daughter of John of Bradford aged 1 26 Oct 1815 - Martha CHARLESWORTH of Eccleshill aged 15 08 Nov 1815 - Ellen HARKER daughter of Simion & Mary of Bradford aged 3 days 09 Dec 1817 - Jane HUDSON daughter of John & Alice of Bradford aged 7 weeks 28 Dec 1817 - John HARDAKER son of John & Betty of Eccleshill aged 2 09 Sep 1818 - Sarah HIRD widow of the late Richard HIRD Esq of Low Moor House, Bradford aged 63 05 May 1819 - James BEANLAND of Eccleshill aged 21 19 Mar 1820 - John HARDAKER of Eccleshill aged 42 01 Apr 1820 - Nanny RHODES of Eccleshill aged 10 17 Apr 1820 - Betty HARDAKER of Eccleshill aged 47 01 Aug 1820 - Thomas BEANLAND of Eccleshill aged 15 26 Sep 1820 - Joshua CHARLESWORTH of Eccleshill aged 1 I don't have any further information about any of these people, I have merely extracted the information from the film of the registers I currently have at my local Family History Centre. Strays from the Parish of Calverley are not included here. They will eventually appear on the Calverley website www.calverley.info Marilyn Maybury researching AIRTON, BATESON, CAWTHRAY, KEIGHLEY & WHITFIELD from the parishes of Calverley & Guiseley and BENTHAM from Thornton, Bradford

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Hello Found on ebay --a postcard of a soldier as follows:-- A card which according to the back depicts Private Whiteley No 49618 9th Battalion 'B' Company of the Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. May be of interest to someone researching the Whiteley family. I have no connections with this at all. Lynne

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Hello Listers, The question has been raised of the relative financial benefits of working in a mine or textiles. As far as I am aware there are few records of the earnings of mine workers in the 19th century. I believe that this is because most pay was on a piece work basis and often, once the miner had earned enough, he would not work for the remaining shifts of the week. Practises varied across the various coalfields. However there is a wealth of recorded data for the textile industry and a small part transcribed from Yokshire Past and Present is below. At Waterloo Mills Pudsey 1863: No weaving on the premises, cloth sold in balk to Leeds merchants, and finished under their directions in Leeds. On the premises; Average weekly wages each: 3 Managers.................21s 0d 1 Engine tender...............24s 0d 2 Dyers and scourers of wool..........25s 0d 1Wool dyer...................21s 0d 3 Carriers..................15s 0d 2 Willyers--- one at 14s., one at..........17s. 2 Cleaners or fettlers-----one at 13s.., one at .....14s. 3 Young persons teasing, plucking and moiting wool above 13 years.....7s. 11 Scribbler fillers above 13 years..................7s. 6d. 12 Slubbers (with 720 billey spindles).................24s. 0d 14 Piecers for above, above 13 years.................4s. 0d 28 Children, piecers, under 13 years..................2s 0d 12 Carder fillers, above 13 years...................5s 6d 15 Spinners (with 4920 mule spindles)..................25s. 0d. 15 Piecers for above, above 13 years..................6s. 0d. 1 Drier of scoured cloth.......................14s. 0d. 2 Brushers of above.-----women ....................7s. 0d. 6 Fullers.............................22s. 0d. 2 Tenterers............................21s. 0d. 1 Watchman.............................14s. 0d. Not on the premises; 120 Weavers, hand-loom---Men....................14s. 7 Warpers, hand-loom-----Women..................14s. 40 Burlers.......Women..................6s. Wool sorting was done by the proprietors themselves.The above hands produce about 80 pieces, or 160 ends of cloth, averaging 23 yards per end, or 3680 yards of cloth, weekly. The steam-power employed is about 62 horse.

Hello I do not know of any CD for MIs for Bowling Cemetery. The Cemetery Inscriptions may have been transcribed by Mr Blackburn and included in the 'Blackburn Register' which can be viewed on film at Bradford Reference Library. I can check next visit whether they have been. Lynne .

Hi Everyone, Has Bowling Cemetery been transcribed by anyone and if so is there a CD of the transcriptions... Kind Regards Lori Mitchell

Hello again -- I'm just writing to say that someone has kindly found the information I was looking for. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Browning" <sbrowning@onetel.net.uk> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Request for help on Keighley/Kershaw marriage 1823 > Hello to everyone -- I'm new to the list...and I have a plea for help posing as a question! > > I've found a promising reference on the IGI of a marriage of James KEIGHLEY to Martha KERSHAW in Bradford on 16 June 1823. > > This comes from a patron submission. I'm not sure whether the marriage registers for that time are on the IGI, but there doesn't seem to be any further reference. > > Some of the other information in the relevant batch seems right, and in any event it seems unusual to see a precise date on one of these. > > Would anyone be able to check this in the parish register for me? > > Thanks (and promises of return favours) to anyone who can help. > > Steve Browning > in London >

"Lynda Minarzick" <minarzick@sympatico.ca> > Ridiculous practice!!!! Didn't they think that in years to come it would > cause us all problems??? > > Lynda in Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Maybury" <m.maybury@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Ages on 1841 census > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > The correct age was given up to the age of 15 but from 16 onwards the age > > was rounded down to the nearest five. > > So, the child was aged 5 but William PICKARD was aged between 25 and 29.< I TRUST you said that very much tongue in cheek! Yes, I am sure you did. Sadly, our ancestors never seem to have thought about us, their descendants, when they carried out census enumerations and made entries in parish registers - most unreasonable of them, of course! The only one who appears to have been gifted with some vision was the Rev William Dade, the man who lent his name to Dade Registers (parish registers which gave more detail than normal, and for a fuller account of what Dade Registers were see my numerous messages in the rootsweb archives of YORKSGEN and WEST-RIDING). Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith