Hi there and good afternoon, I sent a message to both lists on 28th and haven't seen it 'pop up' yet, so thought I'd send again. Sorry if it is a duplicate. Can any Lister lay claim to William MURGATROYD c1730 in Illingworth, or does anyone have a connection to this particular line? I am also researching MURGATROYDs in Birstall and Baildon and if you have any connection to them I would be more than happy to hear from you! Cheers, Mal.

That is NOT THE IDEA. We don't want people to discuss the idea, we just want to trace my husband's family. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Stockdill <roy@stockdillfhs.org.uk> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Can anyone help my friend and I solve this mystery p > "etpickard" <etpickard@rogers.com> wrote..... > > > Not having read the book I have to ask the Question.......... what makes you > > think he or they were in the Bradford Area...????? > > > > Though we love to help where we can I can only see you being helped if the > > family were indeed from Bradford> > > HAVING had an interchange of e-mails with Diane Sowden on this > matter, I can tell you that there is no Bradford interest whatsoever, > as far as I am aware. Diane has simply cross-posted this message to > several lists. > > James Maybrick, the alleged Jack the Ripper (I say "alleged" because > I know a lot about the Ripper crimes and I am far from convinced) was > from Liverpool and the supposed illegitimate son of Florence > Maybrick, William Graham, was said to have been born in Hartlepool. > > I've got the book and there's no mention of any Bradford connection > at all. The message appears to be primarily aimed at getting people > to join a mailing list to debate whether James Maybrick was the > Ripper or not. > > Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) > SoG Executive & Director of Projects, FFHS > Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Do not advertise commercial or non genealogical content links after or within your messages without first seeking permission from the Admin. > Do not use the list as a port hole to advertise website urls. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

"etpickard" <etpickard@rogers.com> wrote..... > Not having read the book I have to ask the Question.......... what makes you > think he or they were in the Bradford Area...????? > > Though we love to help where we can I can only see you being helped if the > family were indeed from Bradford> HAVING had an interchange of e-mails with Diane Sowden on this matter, I can tell you that there is no Bradford interest whatsoever, as far as I am aware. Diane has simply cross-posted this message to several lists. James Maybrick, the alleged Jack the Ripper (I say "alleged" because I know a lot about the Ripper crimes and I am far from convinced) was from Liverpool and the supposed illegitimate son of Florence Maybrick, William Graham, was said to have been born in Hartlepool. I've got the book and there's no mention of any Bradford connection at all. The message appears to be primarily aimed at getting people to join a mailing list to debate whether James Maybrick was the Ripper or not. Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) SoG Executive & Director of Projects, FFHS Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

THANKS for all your excellent work in establishing and getting this list off the ground, Elaine. Good luck with the others! Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) SoG Executive & Director of Projects, FFHS Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

Hi List, I have decided to pass the mantle so to speak over to my very able Co-List Admin Jan Perkins. It was fun starting up the list and I know my husband for one has found many a helpful contact and yes a few cousins from my having done so. Jan and a small but special group of people on the ground in Bradford & area have been wonderful. So Jan I wish you all the best. Back to the City I know the most about.... Sheffield...... and my new and fledgling lists of Harrogate, York and Oundle in Northamptonshire.......So if you have rellies in any of those places see you there.. Bye folks and toodle pip. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. Ex Bradford List Admin..........LOL. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 27/05/03

----- Original Message ----- From: "tpickard" <tpickard@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] PIILKINGTON/BRIGGS - Wakefield. Hi Tim, there is a connection with my Pickard's to Briggs and also West! I will have to search out my census records. Janet > Hi Jan, > Yes, there is a place called Thorner about 5 miles east of Leeds. A > nice quiet little village, or at least it used to be. It's probably gone all > trendy and yupified now. > Cheers, > Tim > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Its expected that all subscribers to the list have a virus detection program installed. If you dont have one then please install one immediately. ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Diane, Not having read the book I have to ask the Question.......... what makes you think he or they were in the Bradford Area...????? Though we love to help where we can I can only see you being helped if the family were indeed from Bradford Kindest Regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Canada. List Admin Bradford Mailing List. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 27/05/03

Hi there; can any Lister lay claim to William Murgatroyd who was baptised at Illingworth c1730, or does anyone have a connection to this particular line? I am also looking at Murgatroyds in Birstall and Baildon, if you have any connection there I would be very pleased to hear from you. Cheers, Mal.

Hi Jan, Yes, there is a place called Thorner about 5 miles east of Leeds. A nice quiet little village, or at least it used to be. It's probably gone all trendy and yupified now. Cheers, Tim

HI List Know this is not the Wakefield List...................BUT wonder if someone could perhaps help a friend of mine........ "Maybe you could help me ... if you don't mind :)) I'm trying to track down some details of a William Briggs father of Thomas Pilkington Briggs my gg grandfather. Will was born around 1810 and I am presuming, just for the moment that he was born in Wakefield as so far everybody else has been ... I know this is a bit of a dangerous assumption but you've got to start somewhere and the 1841 census doesn't state where he was born ... not even whether it was the same county (which wouldn't help much 'cause the West Riding was a pretty big place). this is just typical of my family!! The IGI has a listing for a William Briggs born 1808 in Thorner ... was there an actual place called Thorner or is it possibly an error and should be Thornes ie part of Wakefield? There is another listing for a Will in 1810 in Wakefield but it is in the Salem Chapel George Street, and I don't have any other evidence to say they frequented this type of church as the boys were christened in I believe! the ordinary CofE church. Do any of your friends have a copy of the 1851 census that would be willing to look up Will and family (Mary, wife and Thomas, Robert and William) for me and be able to tell me where he and his wife Mary were born. On the 1841 census he was living in Thornes just down the road from Gregory's Row (I think but the CD image is very faint and hard to make out)." Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country. Co List Admin Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country Co-List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List administrator OPC-WRY-Keighley AVG updated daily

Hi David The Bronte Museum has an extract of the MI's for Haworth Graveyard, and I think that Keighley library may have a copy. I seem to remember that you have to make an appointment to examine the MI's at the museum. When I visited they were not indexed, and some of the graves appeared to contain persons who are not related. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Binns" <davidbinns@qual-chem-tech.co.uk> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 June 2003 19:20 Subject: Re: [ BRAD] BINNS > Many thanks for your response Aileen. I have already seen the Haworth Parish > records and the record of the burial you reference. The problem I have is > that I have been unable to find a baptism for a William BINNSthat > corresponds with this burial. What I hope to do is to find the grave in > which he was buried and hope that this will enable the identification of > other members of his family and even his parents. Clearly my best bet is to > chase the MI's for Haworth either through the LDS or directly with the vicar > or PCC. In passing my great grandfather, Wilkinson BINNS, son of the elusive > William, was baptised at Haworth on 2nd October 1831, by Patrick Bronte. > One further aside: An early message to this list has helped me to find much > about my great grandfather Thomas JONES. I have just obtained a copy > certificate for his third marriage, at the age of 62, to Emma HOLMES. They > lived at 7 Green Street, Keighley. If anybody has information on the Jones's > or Holmes's I'll be delighted to share what I have. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aileen Furness <furness@westnet.com.au> > To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:32 PM > Subject: [ BRAD] BINNS > > > > For David, who wanted some information about William Binns buried 1854 > at > > Haworth. > > > > I have some fiche here at local LDS centre, found a one-line entry for > > him - > > William Binns abode was Bingley buried 16 May 1854 48 yrs of age the > > minister was Thomas Jackson of Thornton. > > > > I know there is a list of monumental inscriptions on film or fiche for the > > Church of England cemetery aat Haworth. Patrick Bronte was minister there > > for some years. As you would konw, he is father of the famous Bronte > > sisters who wrote novels. I can't find the exact number of film to order > > but if you ask at a Mormon centre they can look it up. > > > > It was name-indexed at the front to make it easy and had drawings of the > > plans of setout. > > > > Aileen in Australia > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/03 > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Linda, I have lost your email address. I don't know which list you were on either, that is why I am posting to all the mailing lists that I am on. Could you please get in touch with my friend who is helping me research please. Her email address is at the bottom of this email. From: Linda > To: diane SOWDEN > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:58 PM > Subject: Graham > > > Hi Diane, > > found this extract on a website about Anne Graham's > book, gives just a brief mention of her own family, > she is a descendent of the illegitimate son of > Florence Maybrick, hence then one of the descendants > you are looking for, the adopted William Flinn later > Graham is her grandfather. > > This extract was dated in March 2000. > > Linda > > JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipp... E-mail Address(es): JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper@yahoogroups.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

My friend and I are trying to solve this mystery, can you help us at all. My friend's email address is JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper@yahoogroups.co.uk ADVICE ON SEARCHING FOR THE FAMILY OF FLORENCE MAYBRICK NAMELY HER SON SHE HAD WITH HENRY STANLEY FLINN. HE WAS BORN 1879 IN LIVERPOOL. Florence Maybrick was the wife of James Maybrick who was Jack the Ripper. Florence had an illegitimate son with Henry Stanley Flinn, who was a Ship Owner from Liverpool. He owned the Dominion and Mississippi Steam Ship Line. Florie named this child William, when he was born. Florie then had the baby adopted by MR AND MRS GRAHAM of Hartlepool Durham. As Henry Stanley Flinn is my husband's 4 cousin, I would very much like to trace the family but I don't know how to go about it. I have written to Anne E Graham, who is mentioned in the Book JACK THE RIPPER - THE FINAL CHAPTER. In fact, she helped to write the book, but she couldn't tell me where to go from where I have got to in my research. I wonder whether you could help me or not? I have found him on the 1881 census, and also the 1901 census. Now I would like to come forward and trace his family, as they are my husband's relations. Any ideas on how to do this would be most welcome. From Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

From: Anne Eversley <anneeversley@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] James and Florence Maybrick, JTR > Hello Listmembers, I'm working with Diane Sowden regarding the Maybricks, the Grahams, and Henry Stanley Flinn and family. Some members here have provided valuable information regarding the aforementioned, therefore those members as well as anyone who has an interest is cordially invited to join my group, "James Maybrick is Jack the Ripper". Please go to: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper/ Thank you very much indeed. Cheers! Regards, Anne > > ENFIELD HOUSE CHEESECAKES > http://www.joanandstevesjubilantukjournal.co.uk/links/enfieldcheesecakes.htm SALE NOW ON! > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > Eng-Liverpool Web Site (updated May 2003) > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/EngLiverpool.htm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Eversley <anneeversley@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] James and Florence Maybrick, JTR > Hello Listmembers, I'm working with Diane Sowden regarding the Maybricks, the Grahams, and Henry Stanley Flinn and family. Some members here have provided valuable information regarding the aforementioned, therefore those members as well as anyone who has an interest is cordially invited to join my group, "James Maybrick is Jack the Ripper". Please go to: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper/ Thank you very much indeed. Cheers! Regards, Anne > > ENFIELD HOUSE CHEESECAKES > http://www.joanandstevesjubilantukjournal.co.uk/links/enfieldcheesecakes.htm SALE NOW ON! > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > Eng-Liverpool Web Site (updated May 2003) > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/EngLiverpool.htm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Hi, Well this list has been going strong! My brick wall's haunts me still, looking for any connection to both names as follows: 1861 Census film no 543115 F 34 P34 S133 Manningham Horton David DRAKE -- a52 - head - Iron Founder -- Wyke Mary - -- a51 - wife - -- Wyke Sarah - -- a32 - Daur - -- Wyke Susannah -- a24 - Daur - -- Wyke Martha -- a18 - Daur - -- Halifax David -- a16- Son - -- Manchester William -- a 8 - son - -- Bradford Hannah RIGG a28 - Daur - -- Wyke Emmily -- a 6 - Gr-daur -- Bradford John B DRAKE a 2 Gr-son -- Bradford Another member of the family was a Benjamin DRAKE, not living with the family as he had married. Also looking for a Maria HILEY who married a James MILLS in Bradford 1833, the only had one child in 1835 and I have a strong feeling one or both had died, it appears a Aunty bought up that child in Bradford. Also looking for any connections to a William MILLS in Bradford, or any other MILLS' families. Hoppy New Zealand. Hoppy1@paradise.net.nz

--=======43594252======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-446F14BD; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Looking for further info on the following family who on the 1901 census were living at 17 Wilson Square,Bradford. George ETHELL. b.1873 Settrington,Yorks. Harriet Ann ETHELL. b. 1865 Barmby on the Moor,Yorks. William ETHELL. b.1892 Norton.Yorks Rosa ETHELL. b.1894 Settrington,Yorks. Elsie ETHELL. b.1896 Settrington,Yorks. Lily ETHELL. b.1898 Bradford,Yorks. Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www.Dortmund.co.uk Researching: LILL.....Sheffield & Doncaster.Yks & Boston,Lincs. ROBERTS....Sheffield Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. KERSLEY...Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester,Hampshire. GAMBLE...Helmsley & York ETHELL...Huttons Ambo & York REVIS... Westow & Malton. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke & Stillington. --=======43594252======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-446F14BD Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003 --=======43594252=======--

G'day, Thank you Judith and Margaret for the little snippet of information about Duchy House. Anyone on the list who remembers when it became a Nursing Home/Hospital ?. It would be interesting to know if any of the decendants lived in unitl it was sold. Kind Regards Lori Mitchell

Hello Lori again Forgot this bit. Website of Duchy where there is an email facility:- www.nuffieldhospitals.org.uk/pages/hospitals/duchy/contact.htm Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike & Lori Mitchell <trimel1@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Duchy House, Queens Road Harrogate > G'day, > Thank you Judith and Margaret for the little snippet of information > about Duchy House. > Anyone on the list who remembers when it became a Nursing Home/Hospital > ?. > > It would be interesting to know if any of the decendants lived in unitl > it was sold. > > Kind Regards > Lori Mitchell > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > FLAMING will not be tolerated on this mailing list - Anyone receiving Hostile and/or Unsavoury mail should contact the List Owner and include the received mail > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Lori The Duchy is a Nuffield Hospital still. It is a private fully functional hospital. If you put Duchy Nuffield Hospital, Harrogate in Google it will bring up the site and also a picture. This is the address and telephone number:- Duchy Nuffield Hospital Country: England Address: Queens Road Harrogate North Yorkshire HG2 0HF Contact: Telephone: 01423 567136 Fax: 01423 524381 Maybe they might be able to help you with when it was bought from the previous owners etc. Good luck. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike & Lori Mitchell <trimel1@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Duchy House, Queens Road Harrogate > G'day, > Thank you Judith and Margaret for the little snippet of information > about Duchy House. > Anyone on the list who remembers when it became a Nursing Home/Hospital > ?. > > It would be interesting to know if any of the decendants lived in unitl > it was sold. > > Kind Regards > Lori Mitchell > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > FLAMING will not be tolerated on this mailing list - Anyone receiving Hostile and/or Unsavoury mail should contact the List Owner and include the received mail > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >