Hello Listers Apologies if this is the second copy, but my response to Maureen never seems to have reached the list. So I am sending it again Maureen, Are the names Farrer and Farrar really the same or are they totally different families. My ggg grandmother was Martha Farrar and was married in Bradford Cathedral in 1835. Her baptism is on the IGI as being at Denholme on 10 May 1812 and her parents as John and Sarah Farrar. I haven't got any further back yet as there are so many John Farrar's and John Farrer's and several seemed to marry a Sarah, but having seen both spellings, I wondered if there could be a connection. Jack in Berkshire -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Dewhirst [mailto:gordon@dewhirst.ca] Sent: 16 June 2003 21:36 To: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ BRAD] FARRER At 02:40 PM 16/06/2003 +1000, maureen wrote: >snip >Hi everyone, >Could anyone help me as I have hit that old brick wall. I have one JOHN >FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1792 who also has a brother >Henry christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1787 both of them having a father >called John, but I also have A John FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral >in 1973 who has a father called Richard. On The family vault, we have both >John and Henry, but John's date is 1973 (which maked him being the son of >Richard) but I can't find Richard having a son called Henry. So how do I >find which is the father of John - is it John or Richard ? >Hope this makes sense, as this is my first attempt at this list. >Maureen Maureen: I assume you meant 1773. It is quite possible that the date recorded on the grave is incorrect. That is not uncommon. That date might have been deduced from John's age at death which could also be out a year or two. Also it was not unusual for the inscription to be done many years after the death by which time memories could be faulty. One possible solution would be to have someone look at the burial register. If John died young the register would likely say "John son of John Farrer of (wherever)" If you need the name of someone in the Bradford area who does this sort of thing for a very reasonable fee contact me off list. Good luck, Gordon in Ottawa ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Its expected that all subscribers to the list have a virus detection program installed. If you dont have one then please install one immediately. ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

See web sites : www.clanvis.com/pcs and www.pudsey.com Jackie

Hello Listers, Perhaps it is worth repeating the information I posted 10th March. Bradford Churches 1873 from Bradford Past and Present Roman Catholic and Quaker 1) First mass celebrated at the Roebuck Inn in 1822. 2) St Mary's, Stott Hill, Roman Catholic. 3) St Patrick's, Westgate, Roman Catholic. 4) St. Ann's, Hardy Street, Roman Catholic. 5) St. Joseph's, Grafton Street, Roman Catholic. 6) St. Peter's, Leeds Road, Roman Catholic. Regards to all. David Binns, Tyneside ----- Original Message ----- From: <LACHPAD@aol.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Catholic churches > hi all > > have found some of my relies were catholic dose any one have a list of > Catholic churches in Bradford for the late 1800 and early 1900 am looking for > churches around Bolton rd, Manningham, Brownroyd, ( dont know if this is the right > spelling have never come across brownroyd before) Bowling,Horton and four > lane ends > > Thank in advance > Judith Gorbutt > > ______________________________ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/03

Hi Folks, just to break the monotony of arguements, is any one else interested - or have any knowledge of - the PARKER and CRAMPTON/CROMPTON families of Pudsey? The Crampton family came in the early 19th century I think. Would love to have any info, cheers, Mal.

Hello Listers, This is such a useful site that I hope no one minds me cross-posting :o) http://www.historicaldirectories.org Joan POWELL (née MORTIMER) Researching from Australia MORTIMER - Lancs after 1890 MORTIMER - Yorks, Birstall 1798 - 1890 SHAW - Lancs, Hindley before 1881 GREGORY - Lancs, Hindley, Wigan before 1806 SEDDON - Lancs, Westhoughton before 1805 DEAN, Samuel - Yorks, Leeds before 1790 DEAN, James - Yorks, Leeds b.1792 THORNTON - Durham, Ingleton before 1842 MILLER - Yorkshire, Gomersall before 1777 GREENHALGH, Sarah - Lancs possibly near Hindley b.1844 JONES, Eliza - Lancs, Wigan b.`1848

Hello Judith Brownroyd was just a little further down Thornton Road from Four Lane Ends. I would have thought [not absolutely sure though] that the nearest Catholic church to Brownroyd would have been St William's in Ingleby Road. Kind regards Judith Kettlewell ----- Original Message ----- From: <LACHPAD@aol.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Catholic churches > hi all > > have found some of my relies were catholic dose any one have a list of > Catholic churches in Bradford for the late 1800 and early 1900 am looking for > churches around Bolton rd, Manningham, Brownroyd, ( dont know if this is the right > spelling have never come across brownroyd before) Bowling,Horton and four > lane ends > > Thank in advance > Judith Gorbutt > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Bradford pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/index.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Judith, You will find a list of Bradford churches on the Genuki Yorkshire site - look under "Churches" on the Bradford parish page. BTW, I assume you mean Roman Catholic? - Catholic is normally the term used to include the entire body of Christians. (as used in the Creed). Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of G.B & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield), Yorkshire: Past and Present Poulson's Holderness, Turner's Brighouse, etc etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all have found some of my relies were catholic dose any one have a list of Catholic churches in Bradford for the late 1800 and early 1900 am looking for churches around Bolton rd, Manningham, Brownroyd, ( dont know if this is the right spelling have never come across brownroyd before) Bowling,Horton and four lane ends Thank in advance Judith Gorbutt

Hi again Ann I had a fossick through old notes & found this which will have been taken from a reply to this or another list. Hope it adds a little more. U.S.D." means "Urban Sanitary District" - the forerunner of "Urban District". Nobody seems to know why, but between 1875 and 1955 births and deaths were classified as occurring in "Urban" or "Rural" areas. From 1875 to 1894 you'll see USD or RSD (Urban or Rural Sanitary District) and from 1894 to 1955 you'll see UD or RD (Urban or Rural District). Rosemary Ackroyd

Hi Ann UDS means Urban Sanitary District, I think. Not very exciting, I'm afraid. Rosmary Ackroyd > I am wondering if some one can tell me what this all means - I have obtained 2 Death certificates and it has either U.S.D or U.S.A under the Address of the deceased and was wondering what it meant as I am trying to find out where these people are Buried ..... >

At 02:40 PM 16/06/2003 +1000, maureen wrote: >snip >Hi everyone, >Could anyone help me as I have hit that old brick wall. I have one JOHN >FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1792 who also has a brother >Henry christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1787 both of them having a father >called John, but I also have A John FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral >in 1973 who has a father called Richard. On The family vault, we have both >John and Henry, but John's date is 1973 (which maked him being the son of >Richard) but I can't find Richard having a son called Henry. So how do I >find which is the father of John - is it John or Richard ? >Hope this makes sense, as this is my first attempt at this list. >Maureen Maureen: I assume you meant 1773. It is quite possible that the date recorded on the grave is incorrect. That is not uncommon. That date might have been deduced from John's age at death which could also be out a year or two. Also it was not unusual for the inscription to be done many years after the death by which time memories could be faulty. One possible solution would be to have someone look at the burial register. If John died young the register would likely say "John son of John Farrer of (wherever)" If you need the name of someone in the Bradford area who does this sort of thing for a very reasonable fee contact me off list. Good luck, Gordon in Ottawa

hi all have found some of my relies were catholic dose any one have a list of Catholic churches in Bradford for the late 1800 and early 1900 am looking for churches around Bolton rd, Manningham, Brownroyd, ( dont know if this is the right spelling have never come across brownroyd before) Bowling,Horton and four lane ends Thank in advance Judith Gorbutt

Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:59:43 +1000 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> To: <maureenf@connexus.net.au> Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:59:15 +1000 (EST) from 122-140-13.dsl.connexus.net.au [203.122.140.13] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <ENGS-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com> (reason: 550 5.1.1 <ENGS-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.rootsweb.com.: >>> DATA <<< 550 5.1.1 <ENGS-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown 550 5.1.1 <ENGS-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) Reporting-MTA: dns; power.connexus.net.au Arrival-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:59:15 +1000 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; ENGS-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Hi everyone, Could anyone help me as I have hit that old brick wall. I have one JOHN FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1792 who also has a brother Henry christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1787 both of them having a father called John, but I also have A John FARRER christened in Bradford Cathedral in 1973 who has a father called Richard. On The family vault, we have both John and Henry, but John's date is 1973 (which maked him being the son of Richard) but I can't find Richard having a son called Henry. So how do I find which is the father of John - is it John or Richard ? Hope this makes sense, as this is my first attempt at this list. Maureen

I am wondering if some one can tell me what this all means - I have obtained 2 Death certificates and it has either U.S.D or U.S.A under the Address of the deceased and was wondering what it meant as I am trying to find out where these people are Buried ..... Hope someone can assist me with this in finding my Ancestral line . Ann in Australia .

Hi all My Bradford interests are DIBB - Shipley 1690-1810 then Wilsden till 1857 COOKE - before 1680 DENISON - before 1730 DRAKE - before 1630 FOSTER - before 1680 GLEDHILL - before 1710 HARGREAVES - before 1740 HAYLEY - before 1600 WORELL - before 1660 Hope somebody can connect with any of these names. Pam Dick Melbourne Aus -

Hi All, As per recent request to introduce my interests I can offer the following. I am relatively new to genealogy and have recently been finding out a lot of information on a part of my fathers family tree. I owe a great deal to one of the lists members Derek deShelfe for aiding me so far in census look-ups. I live in Canada now but came here from NZ. The predominant family is RILEY. Most, if not all of one generation appears to have immigrated to New Zealand in the 1870's. The confirmed family line is as follows: Joel Riley married Hannah Penny in 1818 They had the following children (maybe more). Sarah, Joseph, George and Mary. Sarah married a Matthew Hammond abt 1841 and immigrated to NZ in 1842. George married Elizabeth Agley in Birstall (Dewsbury District) in 1846 They had the following children: Hannah, John William, Henrietta, James Agley, Joseph and Georgiana. John William married Mary Jane Wilkinson in 1874 and immigrated to NZ in 1875 James Agley married Amelia Ann Mitchell (parents Thomas Mitchell & Mary Lambert) also in 1874 and immigrated to NZ in 1878. Hannah immigrated to NZ with by then widowed mother Elizabeth in 1879 Henrietta married a James Garnett and came out on the same ship as Hannah & Elizabeth. Joseph it is not known for certain, but evidence indicates he may also have immigrated to NZ. Georgiana appears not to have made it out of childhood as she disappeared between 1861 and 1871 census. George died June 1861. Would like to confirm earlier RILEY family and also the spousal connections. Interests in the BRADFORD areas are: RILEY, MITCHELL, AGLEY, PENNY, WILKINSON, GARNETT,HAMMOND,LAMBERT. CORNWALL Interests: MITCHELL, CURGENVEN, BUDDLE, NERE (NEER) Murray Mitchell 52 Evergreen Close SW Calgary Alberta Phone/Fax (403) 256-8731 This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

G'day... Jennifer Penner has found my elusive Marion Illingworth Mitchell nee Illingworth b June Qrt 1861 has fallen. Another big thank you and a lot of brick walls have been falling this morning.... Marion I. Mitchell in 1891 census. She was visiting with all of the children....which I suspected may have been hers but was unable to find her with them.... Address : 20 Wood End Hall Thornton (le) Steeet Henry Illingworth JP 61 married occup Worsted Spinner - Employer b Bradfd Mary Illingworth 52 wife Albert 25 son occup Worsted Spinner Percy 22 son Occup Law Student Mary G daug 19 MARION Mitchell 30 daug Visitor married Elsie M Mitchell 9 Grandaughter Visitor Mary G E Mitchell 8 grand daughter Tom I. Mitchell 6 g/son Sylvia G Mitchell 3 g/daug George Mitchell 1 g/son Alfred Illingworth MP. 63 Brother marr occup Worsted Spinner Employer Margaret Illingworth Sisiter in Law 48 Isaac Stolden MP 83 father in Law widower occup Commission Wool Comber b Scotland Kind regards Lori Mitchell

G'day One and All, Thank you so much for all your help. The kindness you have all shown is wonderful and indeed in many cases most gracious in your dealings with the missing persons... Marion Illingworth b June Qrt 1861 - 1881 and 1891 missing person Rufus Mitchell b 1853 in 1891 census missing person husband to Florence Mitchell b August 1855 - 1881 and 1891 missing person and their children Caroline, Josephine, Constance and Harold... Phoebe Mitchell b 1835 widow and her son Harry Mitchell b. 1859 I can now happily report and many thanks to Wendy King Rufus Mitchell and family have been found in Southport, Lancashire in 1891.... Kind regards Lori Mitchell

G'day Everyone... Great news to everyone seeking the information to the question did Rufus and Florence MITCHELL have any children...the simple answer is yes...and a BIG thankyou has to be given to a very persistant research who had no intention on giving up on me and my quest. Wendy King take a bow....and thank you...from a few of us on the list you have them listed as having no kids...and living in Tourmakeady, Ireland... They were in Southport, Lancashire in 1891 census. Rufus, 37 Mohair spinners and manufacturer Florence 34 (! but very clearly written - given her August 1855 birth date she should have been 35 at the time of the census) Caroline 15 Josephine 13 Constance 10 Phoebe Mitchell (Rufus's mummy) widow aged 59 Emilie Fiedler 24 Cologne Germany teacher living at 45 a Promenade Southport which seems to be an up market set of apartments (maybe someone on the Lancashire could tell you about it) Now Wendy does realise Harold is missing is will let me know if and when she may find him... Kind regards Lori Mitchell

Hi List On a recent trip into Keighley & Bingley I found a couple of old religious books, not actually connected to me, BUT which I hated to see lying in boxes.........these should be with their families. No area to try, just the fact that they were in local bookshops. Lovely Common Prayer Book containing two funeral cards (for want of a better word) Rose Anne JOHANSEN died 15th June 1969 aged 74 years. Peter S. JOHANSEN died 11th April 1963 aged 68 years. also a little religious card To Gran from Rose Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. One I could slightly relate to because there are some MILLS somewhere in my family, have found mentions of them on MIs..BUT not sure how. Holy Bible. Horace Edward MILLS born Jan 10 1900 Mary Elizabeth MILLS born 27th July 1897 or could be 24th July. Oswald MILLS born 13th September 1929 Jean Mary MILLS nee SHARP born 6th January 1933 married 20th December 1952 Jane MILLS born 12th February 1954 Helen MILLS 17th April 1956 Edward MILLS born 12th April 1969 No places given. This is not in particularly good condition..............BUT would like to connect it to it's rightful owners. Hope someone knows someone! somewhere!............. Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List admin Clewer surname OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. AVG updated daily

Hi Lori, I had a bit of spare time this afternoon so went to the library---- Bradford Census 1861,Horton District. 42,Greaves Street,Little Horton John JENNINGS,head,mar.aged 28,Manager at Stuff manufacturers,born Horton. Lydia J.wife,aged 26,Manager's wife, born Bowling. Annie J.dau.aged 4,born Horton. William Frederick J.son,aged 2,b.Horton Martha ARMITAGE,servant,unmar.aged 23, House servant,born Thornton. ======================================= Cheers--------Derek.