Hello To all on the List, Is anyone researching the UTTING surname in Yorkshire. Would love to hear from them. This is an unusual surname and not very common in this County I have noticed. Take Care. Regards Olga Utting Perth, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-D Digest V03 #276

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Perkins" <janperkins@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Fw: [YKS] New Version of UK BMD web site. > > Warmest Wishes > Jan in Bronte Country > List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. > List admin Clewer surname > OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. > AVG updated daily > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Hartas" <ian@hartas.org.uk> > To: <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:38 PM > Subject: [YKS] New Version of UK BMD web site. > > > > Dear all, > > A new version of the UK BMD web site went > > on the air tonight. It is a complete re-write and > > offers links to over 150 web sites that offer > > on-line information for UK births, marriages > > and deaths. > > > > http://www.UKBMD.org.uk > > > > More sites will be added as and when I find out > > about them. Let me know of any missing ones. > > > > The new site is navigated by a menu on its left > > side. For example, if all you want is the links to > > the local BMD sites, such as Cheshire BMD, then > > simply press the 'Local BMD' button. > > > > Note that the Isle-of-Wight are the latest to > > offer BMD indexes on-line. (Under Hampshire, if > > you're searching by county) > > > > If you want information specific to a county > > (or country), select one from the drop-down > > list and then press the 'County' button. > > Other buttons should be self-explanatory. > > > > I only subscribe to CHS, YKS and GENBRIT, so > > please cross post this note to as many genealogy > > lists as you can, as most counties have > > entries on the new site. > > > > Hope you find it useful ! > > > > -- > > regards, > > Ian Hartas, webmaster@ukbmd.org.uk > > ---------------------------------------- > > There are 10 types of people, those that > > understand binary and those that don't. >

Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List admin Clewer surname OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. AVG updated daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Hartas" <ian@hartas.org.uk> To: <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: [YKS] New Version of UK BMD web site. > Dear all, > A new version of the UK BMD web site went > on the air tonight. It is a complete re-write and > offers links to over 150 web sites that offer > on-line information for UK births, marriages > and deaths. > > http://www.UKBMD.org.uk > > More sites will be added as and when I find out > about them. Let me know of any missing ones. > > The new site is navigated by a menu on its left > side. For example, if all you want is the links to > the local BMD sites, such as Cheshire BMD, then > simply press the 'Local BMD' button. > > Note that the Isle-of-Wight are the latest to > offer BMD indexes on-line. (Under Hampshire, if > you're searching by county) > > If you want information specific to a county > (or country), select one from the drop-down > list and then press the 'County' button. > Other buttons should be self-explanatory. > > I only subscribe to CHS, YKS and GENBRIT, so > please cross post this note to as many genealogy > lists as you can, as most counties have > entries on the new site. > > Hope you find it useful ! > > -- > regards, > Ian Hartas, webmaster@ukbmd.org.uk > ---------------------------------------- > There are 10 types of people, those that > understand binary and those that don't. > ---------------------------------------- > > > ==== YORKSGEN Mailing List ==== > The Yorksgen-L Administrator is Janice Wood: > janwood50@btinternet.com >

Hi all, It was recently suggested in the 'Epidemic' thread that the reason for having large families during the Industrial Revolution was to ensure the survival of at least some. I confess to having subscribed to that explanation myself for many years - and not just for the olden days! However, reading the bald explanation in type made me sit back and wonder. Surely parents couldn't be that determined to continue their family line, that they would just keep churning out more bairns. Obviously there are many factors involved, but it would be interesting to read some read some serious research on this matter. Must find some. Incidentally, I am the oldest of 7. My wife and I have 5 children. Our son-in-law is the oldest of 12! Not very common in our culture. There you go, another factor I hadn't even thought of - cultural pressure. I know many times we have experienced it, of course only to a small degree. >From now on, I will only think of the compulsive procreative urge as a family survival mechanism being applicable to animals ... and even there, unconsciously so. Tom

Tom Hockley wrote: > Hi all, > > It was recently suggested in the 'Epidemic' thread that the reason for > having large families during the Industrial Revolution was to ensure the > survival of at least some. I suspect that it was more a lack of effective or affordable contraception, than anything else! Of course, those of the Catholic faith are/were expected not to use such stuff. It was either abstinence or a large family (Or was it incontinence? I can never remember which) Cheers Rich -- Born in Sheffield, but currently in Nottingham UK. Family names:- ASHFORTH, CAVE, CHAMPION, HODGES, HOPE, JACKSON, NICHOLSON, SIMPSON, SLEE, TETLEY, WALKER, WESTOVER, WOOLLEN, WILLIAMS. Home Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/richard.tetley/

Hi List, Can anyone give me any info on how to find out details from newspaper reports. My gr.grandfather commited suicide in Bingley in 1873. Would there have been an inquest & if so how would I find it? Would there have been a report of the death in the newpapers. If so ,which newspaper would it have been in? What newspapers were published in Bingley? Thanks for any help & suggestions. Joyce in Lancs.

Denise Many thanks - that is perfect. I think the term must have been Silk Dresser, but with a "long s". That would fit with him being described as a Weaver in a later census Regards Jack Earnshaw please respond to jack@jearnshaw.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: Denise Valadez [mailto:neesyval@yahoo.com] Sent: 26 August 2003 20:37 To: Jack Earnshaw; ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Occupations Try this website... http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html Jack Earnshaw <jack.earnshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a list of occupations that might be included on certificates, censuses etc. I have just received a birth certificate for 1843 and the occupation of the father is difficult to decipher - it looks like Silk Drefter (whatever that might be) Regards Jack Earnshaw ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Does anyone know where I can find a list of occupations that might be included on certificates, censuses etc. I have just received a birth certificate for 1843 and the occupation of the father is difficult to decipher - it looks like Silk Drefter (whatever that might be) Regards Jack Earnshaw

I'm interested in Phoebe Oxley who was born to Joe/James Oxley and Hannah Graves in 1844, Ulverston, Lancashire but subsequently moved to Bradford where she married John Dean in 1865. As the family do not appear in the Ulverston area in 1851 I assume that they all had moved, possibly straight to Yorkshire. I've found a Jonathan Oxley, parents Joe and Hannah, in the IGI who was born in Dewsbury, Yorkshire in 1848 and who marries in Bradford in 1868. He might possibly be her brother? John Dean born Abt 1842 in Shelf/Sheffield, was the son of William Dean (Coal Owner). He was resident in Bradford at the time of their marriage in 1865. If anyone recognises these names I'd be happy to hear from you. Alternatively if you have access to resources or indexes (especially the 1861 Bradford census surname index) and would be kind enough to lookup either of the families then I'd be extremely grateful. -- Stuart Morgan http://www.tase.co.uk/ List Admin: [MORGAN-UK] [GREENSHIELDS-UK]

Hi List and welcome back Roy........ Never did wave to me from that train AND I looked for you!!!!!!! My Dad was born in 1918 in Sheffield, one of a large family of 11 two of these little children died during the 1918 flu epidemic, not as you might think from the flu. One died with the flu and the other little girl came downstairs and her nightie caught fire, both died within a few days of each other.............so even in the 20th century, it did not need an epidemic. How heartbreaking for my Grandmother to have lost two of her children so tragically and so very close together. Warmest Wishes Jan in Bronte Country List admin ENG-YKS-Bradford. List admin Clewer surname OPC- Keighley-one-place-study. AVG updated daily > THERE didn't have to be an epidemic for two children from the same > family to die in the same year. It happened all the time in the 19th > century, when the vast majority of working families lived in > wretched conditions, the air in industrial towns was foul, disease > was rife and public health planning was unknown. > > Bradford in 1848 was described as the filthiest town he had ever > visited by a health inspector. The booming Industrial Revolution had > its downside in the greed of the millowners who treated their > workers as slaves, forcesd them to work for long hours in appalling > conditions and turned the city into a stinking, smoke-laden slum. > There was no medical treatment as we know it today and open sewers > ran in the streets. Child mortality was astronomical, which is why > most Victorians had large families in the hope that one or two might > survive. > > No, you don't need to look for epidemics to explain two children > dying in the same family! Many would lose three or four within a few > months. > >

Try this website... http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html Jack Earnshaw <jack.earnshaw@ntlworld.com> wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a list of occupations that might be included on certificates, censuses etc. I have just received a birth certificate for 1843 and the occupation of the father is difficult to decipher - it looks like Silk Drefter (whatever that might be) Regards Jack Earnshaw ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

"johnhooper@ansonic.com.au" <johnhooper@ansonic.com.au> wrote..... > Two children from the same family died in 1847. Does anyone know if there was an epidemic in Allerton at that time, please?> THERE didn't have to be an epidemic for two children from the same family to die in the same year. It happened all the time in the 19th century, when the vast majority of working families lived in wretched conditions, the air in industrial towns was foul, disease was rife and public health planning was unknown. Bradford in 1848 was described as the filthiest town he had ever visited by a health inspector. The booming Industrial Revolution had its downside in the greed of the millowners who treated their workers as slaves, forcesd them to work for long hours in appalling conditions and turned the city into a stinking, smoke-laden slum. There was no medical treatment as we know it today and open sewers ran in the streets. Child mortality was astronomical, which is why most Victorians had large families in the hope that one or two might survive. No, you don't need to look for epidemics to explain two children dying in the same family! Many would lose three or four within a few months. Roy Stockdill (Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies) SoG Executive & Director of Projects, FFHS Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you, if he does not why humiliate him? - Canon Sydney Smith

G'day all, Thanks for the info on the Million Act, Richard. Two children from the same family died in 1847. Does anyone know if there was an epidemic in Allerton at that time, please? Elizabeth Hooper Vic. Aus.

G'day Everyone, I have received the funeral report for Joseph Mitchell son of Thomas Mitchell and Lydia Mitchell - brother of Abraham , Martha, Mary and Lydia Mitchell. Husband of Phoebe Mitchell (nee Sutcliffe) . Father of Rufus, Albert , Clara Harry and unknown daughter. Bradford Observer - Thursday April 12 1877 Page 8 col 1 Funeral of the Late Joseph Mitchell - At noon yesterday the remains of the late Mr Joseph Mitchell, of Bowling Park, who died on Friday last, at the age of forty -six, were interred at Undercliffe Cemetery. The deceased was the second son of the Late Mr Thomas Mitchell and was the junior partner in the firm of Messrs, Mitchell Brothers, mohair manufacturers, Bowling, a firm which is one of the largest of the kind in the kingdom. Unlike his brother, Alderman Abraham Mitchell, the deceased gentleman never took a prominent public position. Had he been desirous of late of embarking on a public career, probably the fact he was suffering from heart disease - which, aggravated by other ills that flesh is heir to, caused his death - would have prevented him from assuming the heavy and anxious burdens which often fall to the lot of those who devote themselves to the public service. Notwithstanding, however, the comparative retirement in which he lived, his funeral yesterday was honoured by the presence of a very large concourse of people, among whom were many of the employees of the firm. The funeral party left Bowling Park shortly before noon, and proceeded to the cemetery by the way of Rooley Lane, Manchester Road, Leeds Road and Otley Road. In Manchester Road most of the shops were closed, and large numbers of persons gathered to witness the cortege, which passed in the following order:- Four police officers, about forty friends of the deceased, the hearse without plumes, eight mourning coaches conveying the relatives and a few friends, following by private carriages of Mr Yates, Mr W H. Townend, of Heaton, Mr M Rhodes, Mr I Smith, Mr Bottomley, of Shelf, Mr W Sutcliffe, and Mr S Ackroyd. Among the friends preceding the hearse were Messrs Manoah Rhodes, W Ingle, T Smith, C. Wright, R Holt, Halliday, and other well known gentlemen. At the cemetery there was a great crush to obtain admittance to the mortuary chapel, which proved sadly too small to accommodate all who were desirous of obtaining seats within it. Here the burial service was read by the Rev H Hoare, of Haslingden and the Rev S Crump, Bradford, after which the coffin, adorned with wreaths of flowers, was lowered into the family grave, the bordersof which had previously been adorned by blooms of white azalea, in which was blended the adiantum or "maiden hair" fern. The whole of the arrangements were under the superintendence of Messrs. Parkinson, Clark & Co., and were carried out in a very efficient manner. Kind Regards Lori Mitchell

All this talk of Fearnleys makes me wonder if anyone has information on my Fearnleys: Martha FEARNLEY, born about 1689, married Samuel HODGSON 3 Oct 1714 at Bradford. Mary FEARNLEY, born about 1664, married Richard HODGSON 29 June 1687 at Bradford. Will appreciate any clues at all to help me find these ancestors. Vivian Robinson

Please can someone tell me who was living at 20 Manor Row, Bradford West, in 1851. I am hoping to find Thomas HAIGH, an accountant/savings bank manager. Many thanks Margaret

Hi I wondered if some kind person could check to see if my family of Rhodes is on this census. William Rhodes b 1814 Allerton Mary 1818 Manningham Susannah 1839 George 1843 Benjamin 1845 John 1847 Samuel 1850 Job 1852 Timothy 1855 I believe they were all born Thornton. I would truly appreciate any help with this, family Thankyou heaps Kindest regards Gwen Nadin

First posting to this list of my family interests NICHOLSON 1800+ CRABTREE 1800+ MURGATROYD 1800+ HEY 1800+ WOODHEAD 1800+ GREENWOOD 1850+ Looking for contact of descendants. Judith

Hi Derek Well I knew I owed you a drink but now it seems that I owe you half a brewery!! You're a genius. And very kind. I think that William & Ann were looking after Jane's children, Margaret & Joseph, born before she married. They seem to have been a decided 'naughty' family. Young William, aged one, I think I know something about. My father, born in 1912, remembers family talk that his grandfather, Joshua, had a brother called 'Baccy Bill. He also always worked with a brother who must have been 'B Bill, I think. They were both stone masons & used to pull each others teeth when required! Intriguing that there were two Annises. I think you're correct & Samuel FEARNLEY was Elizabeth's child & by the 1851 census he has turned into Samuel ANDERSON age 18, apprentice cabinet maker who you posted yesterday. I have to confess that I haven't pushed back further to William's siblings & parents at least partly because of earlier conversations with Janet which made it clear that there were gazillions of FEARNLEYs lurking around Bradford. It seems though that now is the time to start. I'll get back to the Bishop's transcripts 1813 - 1817 on Tuesday. I intended to go through them in strict chronological order but think I've been seduced into ordering films from the 1830s next to sort out these people. Many thanks again for your sterling efforts. Rosemary

> From: michael NORTHROP > Subject: Research in Australia > > Do any of our listers in Australia live in or near Ballarat, Victoria and can recommend a researcher in that area. I am hoping to obtain information from a gravestone which is said to be in the graveyard at Ballarat. Thanks for any help. G'day Michael, >From time to time our family are in Ballarat - so send the info and if no one else is nearer and quicker we may be able to do a Cemetery-hop for you some time... Elizabeth Hooper