I am looking for information on Matthew Jessop and Martha Brook. They had a daughter Ann who married Joseph North in Birstall 27 July 1823. They also had Samuel Brook Jessop, my great-great-grandfather, born about 1800, who married Mary Elizabeth Ross at St. Marylebone Church in London. They had several other children/ I would like to obtain information about all of their children, Matthew and Martha, and their ancestors. I have information on Samuel B.'s descendants in the U.S. and a little on Ann's descendants which I would be glad to share. Richard Griffith [email protected]

Thanks for your help again Roy , on the 1841 census John's age is 37 and Mary's 39 and on the 1851 census when they are living at Habergham Eaves ( Burnley area ) John's age is 48 and Mary's age is 49 so their ages from 1841 census to 1851 census seem reasonably consistent? ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; Brian Johnson <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] JOHNSON and TURNER > From: "Brian Johnson" <[email protected]> > > > Thanks to Ken Turner , Debbie Gomersall , Roy Stockhill , > > i do appreciate your replies , thats great > > You may be right in your questions but i think i am right in > > the East Bradford in Yorkshire but!!!! > > Yes i have been known to be wrong , let me go back to the 1841 census > > where John and Mary JOHNSON are living in Clitheroe , in the " where > > born " column there is a Y for Mary , i took this not to be a Yes for > > born in Lancashire but rather a Y for Yorkshire because there is the > > letter L used in this column > > Lets move on to the 1851 census , John JOHNSON was born Ripley > > Yorkshire > > Mary JOHNSON born Do ( underneath > > Yorkshire) East Bradford > > Perhaps if some sks on this list has online access to both 1841 and > > 1851 census perhaps they can offer an opinion on the handwriting ?? > > Did notice on the 1851 census that both John and Mary had a tick in > > the " Whether blind, or deaf and dumb" column. > > There is some other circumstancial evidence which may or not > > prove anything , but William Johnson ( son of John > > and Mary ) my gggrandfather moved to Bradford area after he married > > Ruth LORD at Haslingden 1851 ( would you believe the day after the > > census) after John 1851 and Mary 1859 died maybe to work for > > relatives?? > > And Abraham the youngest child of John and Mary i think died at > > Bradford 1872 , now this is again after John and Mary > > died , he could have moved there to be with with relatives ?? I know > > this is all conjecture but sometimes having a theory does help > > Thank you all again > > Brian Johnson West Australia> > > I've not heard of a place called East Bradford in Yorkshire, though the > city of Bradford certainly has an East Ward and a West Ward for the > purposes of census administration and voting at political elections. > Maybe this is what was meant, i.e. Bradford East Ward. > > Can you be more specific about the ages of John and Mary Johnson, > since there are scores of Johnsons of those names in the 1851? > > Roy Stockdill > Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "J David Firth" <[email protected]> To: < Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} RE :Womersley > When I was living in Baildon I was a member of the Bradford Civic Theatre, > a private company, nothing to do with the Council. They ran three weeks > of films and one week of play then three weeks of film again. "Toad of > Toad Hall" was directed by the then Bishop of Bradford. "Billy Liar" was > another play notable because Billy's father was played by Bill Womersley > (I think he was Charles),. He was a transport manager who had to be > taught to use the word "bl--dy" in a natural way.That must have been the > early 1960's, Bradford Archives might be able to help. > > David Firth > > > -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1215 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

----- Original Message ----- From: Kate and John To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: GAME Family resident in Belden -baptisms in Suffolk I am in the process of transcribing baptisms for the parish of Rickinghall, Suffolk and I found these baptisms, which may be of interest to researchers in your area. 23 Aug 1874 Alice Garnham and Eliza Game, children of William and Anna Game baptised in Rickinghall Inferior, Suffolk. William is listed as Gas Maker and the place of residence is Belden, nr Bradford. Perhaps you can forward these to any appropriate lists. Thank you, Kate -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1215 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Keith In follow up to Roy's contribution the records at the Bradford office are: West Yorkshire Archive Service - Bradford, Registry of Deeds, 15 Canal Road, Bradford BD1 4AT. Holdings include: Various minutes (1837-1930); Admissions and discharges (1857-1930); Births and deaths (1838-1930); Creed registers (1869-1930); Punishment book (188-1930); etc. Can concurr also on the website I have used it in connection with a relative who died in the Whitehaven Workhouse in the 1890s. Vin Bath ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Farrell To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Details of workhouse inmate - ROBINSON Hello listers, A relative of mine is desperately seeking details of the death of his great grandmother. He used to research his family tree in the days before the internet and this omission from his records troubles him. His great grandmother was Mary Robinson (nee Stirzaker) born in Garstang, Lancashire c1829. Her age on each of the censuses from 1841 to 1891 matches to this date but in 1901 she is recorded as 73. For most of her life she lived in Bradford, West Yorkshire. She appears to have been alive in 1906 as her husband's will dated November of that year leaves all his possessions solely to her and this will was subject to probate in 1910. I have checked the civil registration index for her death from 1906 to 1930 and could only find 2 possibilities, one of which my relative has recorded as "not mine". The other is a death on the 22nd April 1916 age 86 when she is described as being of 73 Captain Street, Bradford, husband unknown, and the death occurred at the Workhouse Hospital, Horton, Bradford. We know that at the time of the writing of the will in 1806, "our" Mary Robinson lived at 538 Heaton Rd, Bradford. Do any listers have access to the records for that workhouse at that date? If so, could they check to see if they record any next of kin or anything at all that might prove/disprove that this death is the one we seek? Do any listers have any information on what records for the Workhouse Hospital still exist and where they might be consulted? Is access via the web possible? I have looked at maps for Bradford for this period and see that there is a "Union Workhouse" in Little Horton Lane on the site now occupied by St. Luke's Hospital. Is this likely to be the "Workhouse Hospital, Horton" where the death occurred? Keith Farrell (in Cornwall) _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== E-mail etiquette pays dividends! - please CAPITALISE surnames, other text CAPITALisation usually means you are shouting! ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

From: "Keith Farrell" <[email protected]> > A relative of mine is desperately seeking details of the death of his > great grandmother. He used to research his family tree in the days > before the internet and this omission from his records troubles him. > His great grandmother was Mary Robinson (nee Stirzaker) born in > Garstang, Lancashire c1829. Her age on each of the censuses from 1841 > to 1891 matches to this date but in 1901 she is recorded as 73. For > most of her life she lived in Bradford, West Yorkshire. She appears to > have been alive in 1906 as her husband's will dated November of that > year leaves all his possessions solely to her and this will was > subject to probate in 1910. I have checked the civil registration > index for her death from 1906 to 1930 and could only find 2 > possibilities, one of which my relative has recorded as "not mine". > The other is a death on the 22nd April 1916 age 86 when she is > described as being of 73 Captain Street, Bradford, husband unknown, > and the death occurred at the Workhouse Hospital, Horton, Bradford. We > know that at the time of the writing of the will in 1806, “our” Mary > Robinson lived at 538 Heaton Rd, Bradford. Do any listers have access > to the records for that workhouse at that date? If so, could they > check to see if they record any next of kin or anything at all that > might prove/disprove that this death is the one we seek? Do any > listers have any information on what records for the Workhouse > Hospital still exist and where they might be consulted? Is access via > the web possible? I have looked at maps for Bradford for this period > and see that there is a “Union Workhouse” in Little Horton Lane on the > site now occupied by St. Luke’s Hospital. Is this likely to be the > “Workhouse Hospital, Horton” where the death occurred?< Yes. The Bradford Union Workhouse became St Luke's general hospital in about 1928/9. Half the population of Bradford (including me) was subsequently born there! However, for many people the stigma of being "born in the workhouse" remained for many years afterwards and this was reflected in the birth certificates. The address on mine simply says 217 Horton Lane, making it look like a private address, and I discovered from another list that others born there also have the same entry. If records exist of the former workhouse, then I imagine they will be at the Bradford Archives in Canal Rd. There is a splendid workhouses website as well, which has material on the Little Horton Lane one. You should be able to find it with Google. Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

In message <[email protected]>, Brian Johnson <[email protected]> writes >Thanks to Ken Turner , Debbie Gomersall , Roy Stockhill , > i do appreciate your replies , thats great > You may be right in your questions but i think i am right in the >East Bradford in Yorkshire but!!!! >Yes i have been known to be wrong , let me go back to the 1841 census >where John and Mary JOHNSON >are living in Clitheroe , in the " where born " column there is a Y for >Mary , i took this not to be a Yes for born in >Lancashire but rather a Y for Yorkshire because there is the letter L >used in this column > Lets move on to the 1851 census , John JOHNSON was born Ripley Yorkshire > Mary JOHNSON >born Do ( underneath Yorkshire) East Bradford >Perhaps if some sks on this list has online access to both 1841 and >1851 census perhaps they can offer an opinion >on the handwriting ?? Did notice on the 1851 census that both John and >Mary had a tick in the " Whether blind, or >deaf and dumb" column. > There is some other circumstancial evidence which may or not prove >anything , but William Johnson ( son of John >and Mary ) my gggrandfather moved to Bradford area after he married >Ruth LORD at Haslingden 1851 ( would you believe >the day after the census) after John 1851 and Mary 1859 died maybe to >work for relatives?? > And Abraham the youngest child of John and Mary i think died at >Bradford 1872 , now this is again after John and Mary >died , he could have moved there to be with with relatives ?? I know >this is all conjecture but sometimes having a theory >does help > Thank you all again > Brian Johnson West Australia > >______________________________ Hello Brian I do not know whether this counts for much but in the 1861 census Bradford Family History Society have certainly recorded "Bradford East End" as being one of the districts. Regards Peter R Wood in the Isle of Man and abuzz with TT motorcycles

Hello listers, A relative of mine is desperately seeking details of the death of his great grandmother. He used to research his family tree in the days before the internet and this omission from his records troubles him. His great grandmother was Mary Robinson (nee Stirzaker) born in Garstang, Lancashire c1829. Her age on each of the censuses from 1841 to 1891 matches to this date but in 1901 she is recorded as 73. For most of her life she lived in Bradford, West Yorkshire. She appears to have been alive in 1906 as her husband's will dated November of that year leaves all his possessions solely to her and this will was subject to probate in 1910. I have checked the civil registration index for her death from 1906 to 1930 and could only find 2 possibilities, one of which my relative has recorded as "not mine". The other is a death on the 22nd April 1916 age 86 when she is described as being of 73 Captain Street, Bradford, husband unknown, and the death occurred at the Workhouse Hospital, Horton, Bradford. We know that at the time of the writing of the will in 1806, “our” Mary Robinson lived at 538 Heaton Rd, Bradford. Do any listers have access to the records for that workhouse at that date? If so, could they check to see if they record any next of kin or anything at all that might prove/disprove that this death is the one we seek? Do any listers have any information on what records for the Workhouse Hospital still exist and where they might be consulted? Is access via the web possible? I have looked at maps for Bradford for this period and see that there is a “Union Workhouse” in Little Horton Lane on the site now occupied by St. Luke’s Hospital. Is this likely to be the “Workhouse Hospital, Horton” where the death occurred? Keith Farrell (in Cornwall) _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

From: "Brian Johnson" <[email protected]> > Thanks to Ken Turner , Debbie Gomersall , Roy Stockhill , > i do appreciate your replies , thats great > You may be right in your questions but i think i am right in > the East Bradford in Yorkshire but!!!! > Yes i have been known to be wrong , let me go back to the 1841 census > where John and Mary JOHNSON are living in Clitheroe , in the " where > born " column there is a Y for Mary , i took this not to be a Yes for > born in Lancashire but rather a Y for Yorkshire because there is the > letter L used in this column > Lets move on to the 1851 census , John JOHNSON was born Ripley > Yorkshire > Mary JOHNSON born Do ( underneath > Yorkshire) East Bradford > Perhaps if some sks on this list has online access to both 1841 and > 1851 census perhaps they can offer an opinion on the handwriting ?? > Did notice on the 1851 census that both John and Mary had a tick in > the " Whether blind, or deaf and dumb" column. > There is some other circumstancial evidence which may or not > prove anything , but William Johnson ( son of John > and Mary ) my gggrandfather moved to Bradford area after he married > Ruth LORD at Haslingden 1851 ( would you believe the day after the > census) after John 1851 and Mary 1859 died maybe to work for > relatives?? > And Abraham the youngest child of John and Mary i think died at > Bradford 1872 , now this is again after John and Mary > died , he could have moved there to be with with relatives ?? I know > this is all conjecture but sometimes having a theory does help > Thank you all again > Brian Johnson West Australia> I've not heard of a place called East Bradford in Yorkshire, though the city of Bradford certainly has an East Ward and a West Ward for the purposes of census administration and voting at political elections. Maybe this is what was meant, i.e. Bradford East Ward. Can you be more specific about the ages of John and Mary Johnson, since there are scores of Johnsons of those names in the 1851? Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks to Ken Turner , Debbie Gomersall , Roy Stockhill , i do appreciate your replies , thats great You may be right in your questions but i think i am right in the East Bradford in Yorkshire but!!!! Yes i have been known to be wrong , let me go back to the 1841 census where John and Mary JOHNSON are living in Clitheroe , in the " where born " column there is a Y for Mary , i took this not to be a Yes for born in Lancashire but rather a Y for Yorkshire because there is the letter L used in this column Lets move on to the 1851 census , John JOHNSON was born Ripley Yorkshire Mary JOHNSON born Do ( underneath Yorkshire) East Bradford Perhaps if some sks on this list has online access to both 1841 and 1851 census perhaps they can offer an opinion on the handwriting ?? Did notice on the 1851 census that both John and Mary had a tick in the " Whether blind, or deaf and dumb" column. There is some other circumstancial evidence which may or not prove anything , but William Johnson ( son of John and Mary ) my gggrandfather moved to Bradford area after he married Ruth LORD at Haslingden 1851 ( would you believe the day after the census) after John 1851 and Mary 1859 died maybe to work for relatives?? And Abraham the youngest child of John and Mary i think died at Bradford 1872 , now this is again after John and Mary died , he could have moved there to be with with relatives ?? I know this is all conjecture but sometimes having a theory does help Thank you all again Brian Johnson West Australia

Hi Brian Roy has already pointed out the Bradford area of Manchester but he omitted to mention there is a village of WEST Bradford just North of Clitheroe. There doesn't seem to be an Eastern equivalent but how sure are you that the name has been remembered correctly? In the 1841 census was Mary born in the same county? Regards Ken T. Brian Johnson wrote: > > Hello to all the list , > i am seeking any information on my ggggrandmother Mary JOHNSON who > i have found recently on the 1841 census as living at Whalley Clitheroe Lancashire and also at > Habergham Eaves ( Burnley area) Lancashire on the 1851 census , her maiden name was Mary > TURNER and according to the 1851 census was born at East Bradford circa 1803 , i have found a > possible christening for her on the IGI , her father was Abraham TURNER ( her mother was not named ) > and why i say her father could have been Abraham is because one of her sons was named Abraham > which sort of follows the naming patterns of North of England and Scotland . > If anyone has any info about Mary or her family it would be appreciated by me > Kind regards , > Brian Johnson West Australia > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Bradford pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/index.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 29/05/06

From: "Brian Johnson" <[email protected]> > Hello to all the list , > i am seeking any information on my > ggggrandmother Mary JOHNSON who > i have found recently on the 1841 census as living at Whalley > Clitheroe Lancashire and also at Habergham Eaves ( Burnley area) > Lancashire on the 1851 census , her maiden name was Mary TURNER and > according to the 1851 census was born at East Bradford circa 1803 , i > have found a possible christening for her on the IGI , her father was > Abraham TURNER ( her mother was not named ) and why i say her father > could have been Abraham is because one of her sons was named Abraham > which sort of follows the naming patterns of North of England and > Scotland . > If anyone has any info about Mary or her family it would be > appreciated by me > Kind regards , > Brian Johnson West Australia Are you sure you've got the right list and the right Bradford? There is an area of Manchester called Bradford as well as the major city in West Yorkshire, and since they were living in Lancashire in 1851..... Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I am intersted in making contact with any descendant(s) from the following marriages - WILLIAM GREENWOOD of Tong & ELLEN GROAK of Bradford, at Daisy Hill Primitive Methodist Chapel on 31 August 1907. JAMES GROAK of Tong & MARY GREEN (Widow, nee GREENWOOD) of Tong, at Tong Church on 3 August 1918. William & Mary were the son & daughter of WILLIAM GREENWOOD and were living at 8 Denton Court, Horton in Bradford in 1881. Would anyone with information on the above please contact me. Derek Bradshaw. (Grandson of Sabina Groak sister to Ellen & James)

Hello to all the list , i am seeking any information on my ggggrandmother Mary JOHNSON who i have found recently on the 1841 census as living at Whalley Clitheroe Lancashire and also at Habergham Eaves ( Burnley area) Lancashire on the 1851 census , her maiden name was Mary TURNER and according to the 1851 census was born at East Bradford circa 1803 , i have found a possible christening for her on the IGI , her father was Abraham TURNER ( her mother was not named ) and why i say her father could have been Abraham is because one of her sons was named Abraham which sort of follows the naming patterns of North of England and Scotland . If anyone has any info about Mary or her family it would be appreciated by me Kind regards , Brian Johnson West Australia

Stephen I have a Mary Womersley 1824-80 who married a James Clegg in Dec 1846 at St Peter's Bradford. Her parents were John b ~1791 and Ann b ~1795. In 1841 they lived in Little Horton Lane and he was a Weaver. Other children were Charles, Hannah, Sarah, Elizabeth and Ann. Any link? Vin Bath

Stephen From http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html EDGE TOOL MAKER Blacksmith who made knives and agricultural implements such as scythes. Two other sites that cover occupations http://rmhh.co.uk/index.html http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/occupations.htm Vin Bath PS See you are researching Womersley. Will write again as I am too ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Smith To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Old trades and professions - Edgetoolmaker I know I had a link to a site with old trades and professions explained - but now I can't find it. I've tried googling, but still can't find out what an Edgetoolmaker was (in the 1700s) - can anybody help? (Does anybody know of a small publication that I can buy that might help with this in the future?) Stephen Smith Researching SKIRROW, SMITH, WOMERSLEY in Bradford and Bingley c 1800 ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== FLAMING will not be tolerated on this mailing list - Anyone receiving Hostile and/or Unsavoury mail should contact the List Owner and include the received mail ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I know I had a link to a site with old trades and professions explained - but now I can't find it. I've tried googling, but still can't find out what an Edgetoolmaker was (in the 1700s) - can anybody help? (Does anybody know of a small publication that I can buy that might help with this in the future?) Stephen Smith Researching SKIRROW, SMITH, WOMERSLEY in Bradford and Bingley c 1800

Hi Valerie, You will find a list of all of the Yorkshire lists on the Genuki Yorkshire main page under "Genealogy". Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://cdroms.blunham.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Thanks John, Denise,Charles, Diane, Tom and Keith for replies and >input about my Sutcliffe and Lister search in Halifax area. Very helpful. >I have tried to find a Halifax list to join but cannot find it. Can >anyone point me in the right direction ? >Valerie

Thanks John, Denise,Charles, Diane, Tom and Keith for replies and input about my Sutcliffe and Lister search in Halifax area. Very helpful. I have tried to find a Halifax list to join but cannot find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction ? Valerie

Hello Charles, my LISTER line is Jubal Lister ( a brother George too) Lightcliffe, Hipperholme. Jubal married Emma Sharp in Halifax around 1830. I do have a descending line from there. Don't know of a link elsewhere. Valerie