Yes Ann,but which church ? Not that I can do it for you,sorry. Cheers-----Derek

In message <[email protected]>, Janice E <[email protected]> writes >Hi Listers > >I would like to say a very big thank you to the many listers who replied to >my query re the above. I have now resolved the problem, thanks to all the >help I received and which has been very much appreciated. > >Jan in New Zealand > >______________________________ Hello Jan So how was the problem resolved? Was it just simply a mis-reading of one of the names or was there more to it? Could you let us know. Peter R Wood in the Isle of Man

Hi Listers I would like to say a very big thank you to the many listers who replied to my query re the above. I have now resolved the problem, thanks to all the help I received and which has been very much appreciated. Jan in New Zealand

Hi Barry On the monuments I have looked for in Undercliffe, the reference was on the base, and was easy to spot on those in the cleared areas. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: Barry Emmott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 July 2006 19:56 To: [email protected] Subject: [ BRAD] Undercliffe Cemetary I visited Bradford last week, armed with the grave reference, grave number and a photograph of my gt gt grandfather's grave and went to look for it in Undercliffe Cemetary. I was disappointed not to find any form of map or diagram nor anybody to ask but after a longtime spent searching discovered that the cemetary is divided into sections. Much later we found section K but I think I might have had more luck trying to find Dr Livingstone than K498, the grave we were looking for. Is there any map or diagram available which might help me if I can get back next year ? Also, is there a list of graves, occupants and numbers ? Regards, Barry Emmott Middlesex ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Bradford pages visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/index.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 14/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 14/07/2006

HI, I am trying to find out who lived at 16 Pratt St in Bradford in 1871 or even in 1860 census. . Jemima Fawcett hasd a son mar 1867 at the Union workhouse on Little Horton Lane . Her husband Thomas had TB and died a year later at 31 Holme Top St which is a street off of Little Horton Lane and abuts the area of the workhouse according to maps I have looked at. . However, when Jemima registered the birth a month later, she gave her address as 16 Pratt st Bradford. I was thinking that maybe she went to a relative Anyone have any ideas on how to narrow down my search in these census. I thought I would ask as you all have been so helpful to me in the past as I reseached my father's family.. TIA . Sandy Dunsmore Massachusetts

Hi Listers I am stumped over some census entries which appear to be very odd to me, but maybe I am missing something? Frank MALLINSON, b.c1831 at Mirfield Yks. In 1871 census he is shown as head, with wife Hannah, b.c1833 at Cawthorne, Yks. In 1881 census he is shown as head, with wife Harriot b.c1836 at Flockton, Yks. In 1891 census he is shown as head with Hannah as his wife again (same Hannah as above as details are the same) 1901 census still with Hannah. I cannot figure out why a different wife would appear in the middle of these census's - anyone got any clues? Many thanks in advance. Jan in New Zealand

HI-- My guess is that Harriot is just a bad transcription or misspelling of Hannah. I've found an amazing number of such errors in my own family searches, especially with first names. Just the other day I found a Senna who appeared elsewhere as a Sarah instance. Cheers! Charlotte in upstate New York -----Original Message----- From: Janice E [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sat 7/15/2006 1:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mallinson - mystery of two wives Hi Listers I am stumped over some census entries which appear to be very odd to me, but maybe I am missing something? Frank MALLINSON, b.c1831 at Mirfield Yks. In 1871 census he is shown as head, with wife Hannah, b.c1833 at Cawthorne, Yks. In 1881 census he is shown as head, with wife Harriot b.c1836 at Flockton, Yks. In 1891 census he is shown as head with Hannah as his wife again (same Hannah as above as details are the same) 1901 census still with Hannah. I cannot figure out why a different wife would appear in the middle of these census's - anyone got any clues? Many thanks in advance. Jan in New Zealand

I would agree with the last comment - if you look at the family in 1891 the Hannah could very easillybe misread as Harriot Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Greenhough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Re: Mallinson - mystery of two wives > Sorry folks - I have now examined the enumerators book for 1881 - It > couldn't be more clearly written - Harriot but it shows she was born at > Cawthorn NOT Flockton.. > > I think Hannah & Harriot are one and the same. Perhaps the enumerator was > deaf :) > Did the family have to complete a form in 1881 which the enumerator > mistranscribed into his book? The two names could easily look alike if > badly written. > > Charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice E" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:52 AM > Subject: [ BRAD] Re: Mallinson - mystery of two wives > > >> Hi Listers >> >> I am stumped over some census entries which appear to be very odd to me, >> but >> maybe I am missing something? >> >> Frank MALLINSON, b.c1831 at Mirfield Yks. >> >> In 1871 census he is shown as head, with wife Hannah, b.c1833 at >> Cawthorne, >> Yks. >> >> In 1881 census he is shown as head, with wife Harriot b.c1836 at >> Flockton, >> Yks. >> >> In 1891 census he is shown as head with Hannah as his wife again (same >> Hannah as above as details are the same) >> >> 1901 census still with Hannah. >> >> I cannot figure out why a different wife would appear in the middle of >> these >> census's - anyone got any clues? >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> >> Jan in New Zealand >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== >> Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe >> more accurately the subject of *your* message. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Bradford List covers the whole of the Bradford Postal Code > area........which is Skipton and beyond, Tong and beyond, Cleckheaton and > beyond, & Keighley & Beyond > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Sorry folks - I have now examined the enumerators book for 1881 - It couldn't be more clearly written - Harriot but it shows she was born at Cawthorn NOT Flockton.. I think Hannah & Harriot are one and the same. Perhaps the enumerator was deaf :) Did the family have to complete a form in 1881 which the enumerator mistranscribed into his book? The two names could easily look alike if badly written. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice E" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Re: Mallinson - mystery of two wives > Hi Listers > > I am stumped over some census entries which appear to be very odd to me, > but > maybe I am missing something? > > Frank MALLINSON, b.c1831 at Mirfield Yks. > > In 1871 census he is shown as head, with wife Hannah, b.c1833 at > Cawthorne, > Yks. > > In 1881 census he is shown as head, with wife Harriot b.c1836 at Flockton, > Yks. > > In 1891 census he is shown as head with Hannah as his wife again (same > Hannah as above as details are the same) > > 1901 census still with Hannah. > > I cannot figure out why a different wife would appear in the middle of > these > census's - anyone got any clues? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Jan in New Zealand > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe > more accurately the subject of *your* message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

have you looked at the enumerates book - The name might have been transcribed incorrectly Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice E" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: [ BRAD] Re: Mallinson - mystery of two wives > Hi Listers > > I am stumped over some census entries which appear to be very odd to me, > but > maybe I am missing something? > > Frank MALLINSON, b.c1831 at Mirfield Yks. > > In 1871 census he is shown as head, with wife Hannah, b.c1833 at > Cawthorne, > Yks. > > In 1881 census he is shown as head, with wife Harriot b.c1836 at Flockton, > Yks. > > In 1891 census he is shown as head with Hannah as his wife again (same > Hannah as above as details are the same) > > 1901 census still with Hannah. > > I cannot figure out why a different wife would appear in the middle of > these > census's - anyone got any clues? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Jan in New Zealand > > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe > more accurately the subject of *your* message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Harry Bowling Cemetery is not manned either. All the Burial Registers are located at Scholemoor Cemetery so if you need information about Bowling you have to ring or write to Scholemoor. But........ beware of charges. Scholemoor were charging £27 for a search. It could be more now. Searching yourself is free as long as you make an appointment. But....... again........ if you find a burial in the Registers and you want to know who else is in the grave you have to pay to find out. This used to be free. I cannot remember how much they charged me last time I was there. Tel No 01274 571313 [Scholemoor] No number for Bowling. No email addresses either. Blessings Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb & Harry Blott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [ BRAD] Undercliffe Cemetary > Having read Barry's frustrating e-mail regarding Undercliffe cemetery I > wonder if its the same at Bowling cemetery where my ancestors are buried ? > would anyone know. > > Harry > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Do not advertise commercial or non genealogical content links after or > within your messages without first seeking permission from the Admin. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Barry Undercliffe Cemetery is unmanned and is a charity. Most of the paperwork etc is done by the Friends of Undercliffe Cemetery. All volunteers I believe. The last time I went I went armed with a map which was obtained from the Friends for a fee. This fee also included a search of who was in the grave. Very detailed including all dates. Your best bet is to write to them and ask for whatever you want. The phone is answered if anyone happens to be there so therefore it is quicker to write. They do not have email either. Their address is:- The Lodge Undercliffe Cemetery 127 Undercliffe Lane BRADFORD West Yorkshire BD3 0QD Tel 01274 642276 Hope this is of some help to you. BTW We nearly lost this cemetery to developers some years ago.Bought for £5 they statred lifting and smashing the grave stones/markers, buildings etc and there was a huge outrage about this. Fortunately, it was compulsory purchased by the Bradford Council and work started to fully restore the cemetery. You will be able to read about it somewhere on the internet as the above is a very condensed version. I have a booklet which I think I purchased from the Friends called 'Undercliffe Cemetery' Bradford's Great Heritage in Stone. If it is still available it is well worth having as it shows pictures of some of the biggest Memorials. It is written like you were taking a tour of the cemetery. Sorry to have gabbled on - this was meant to be a couple of lines <vbg> B lessings Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Emmott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: [ BRAD] Undercliffe Cemetary >I visited Bradford last week, armed with the grave reference, grave number >and a photograph of my gt gt grandfather's grave and went to look for it in >Undercliffe Cemetary. I was disappointed not to find any form of map or >diagram nor anybody to ask but after a longtime spent searching discovered >that the cemetary is divided into sections. Much later we found section K >but I think I might have had more luck trying to find Dr Livingstone than >K498, the grave we were looking for. > Is there any map or diagram available which might help me if I can get > back next year ? Also, is there a list of graves, occupants and numbers ? > Regards, > Barry Emmott > Middlesex > > > ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all aspects of > genealogy in the UK.........For the Bradford pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/index.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I visited Bradford last week, armed with the grave reference, grave number and a photograph of my gt gt grandfather's grave and went to look for it in Undercliffe Cemetary. I was disappointed not to find any form of map or diagram nor anybody to ask but after a longtime spent searching discovered that the cemetary is divided into sections. Much later we found section K but I think I might have had more luck trying to find Dr Livingstone than K498, the grave we were looking for. Is there any map or diagram available which might help me if I can get back next year ? Also, is there a list of graves, occupants and numbers ? Regards, Barry Emmott Middlesex

Having read Barry's frustrating e-mail regarding Undercliffe cemetery I wonder if its the same at Bowling cemetery where my ancestors are buried ? would anyone know. Harry

Dear All Sorry if you have heard this all before,but he troubles me greatly. My grandfather died (1970) in Wakefield He is buried as James Albert Hird,I am sure he was born Harold Johnson(1894) in Bradford .All I can think is that he deserted his family to go of with my grandmother Eleanor Joyce (1896) Leeds ????. Where he got jams Albert from I do not know BUT around the time he was born James Albert Baxby was born to Emma Hird.My grandfather may have known James Albert who may have died young,(he is on 1901)so giving him is alias. Does anything ring a bell with anyone. Any Help would be appreciated Many Thanks Alec

Eileen, I live only a couple of miles away and don't mind calling and taking a photograph but do you have any idea where in the cemetery the grave is? Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Eileen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 July 2006 19:38 To: [email protected] Subject: North Bierley Cemetery, Bradford Yorkshire Hello all, Is there sks who lives near this Cemetery, or happens to be going there? I am hoping to obtain a photograph of my Great Grandfather's grave,and in doing so hoping it will locate a missing Great Grandmother. Edmund Buckley Born Aug.21, 1860 - Died Sept 8, 1917 obituary says the funeral left the home of his daughter at Buttershaw Lane in Wibsey for the North Bierley Cemetery at 2:30 pm - the cemetery is about 1 mile from this address according to mapquest.com. his wife Sarah Jane Buckley nee Hollas was last spotted as a witness on the marriage certificate of one of her daughters in 1910, after that she has disappeared. Regards Eileen - ------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

Hello...I'm looking for a WARD.I have no more information other than his name is EDMUND (I think) or could be EDWARD (the writing is hard to read) and his profession is listed as Farmer. These facts are from the Marriage Certificate of his son HENRY GEORGE WARD who married EMILY SPEIGHT on 1/10/1886 in the Parish of St.Marks in Hull. My WARD family lived mostly in Bradford.Yorks. but HENRY GEORGE WARD was born (according to the 1901Census from Hull) in Peterboro and his age in the Census is given as 53.This means that he was born in 1848 but....on his Marriage Certificate his age is given as 34.This means that he was born in1852. I cannot seem to find any Birth Record of HENRY GEORGE WARD from Peterboro for either of these dates. Maybe someone with a SPEIGHT connection could have (HENRY GEORGE WARD and EDMUND WARD or (Edward) in THEIR Family Tree and share them with me. Thanking You...Bernard.

Hello List Further to the Red Gin information provided by other subscribers I offer this piece from "History of Bradford" by John James from the CD by Colin Hinson. The author is talking to a 90 year old resident about Bradford as he remembers it in the 1750's. He says of the Red Gin the following "The first turnpike road about here, led past the Red Gin, in Little Bowling Lane, (Manchester Road). There was not a house between Townsend, (where the roads from Little Horton and Great Horton, meet Manchester Road) to the Red Gin public house. Hope this helps add to the information David Rawnsley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2006 4:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ BRAD] Red Gin again I've found the Red Gin marked on the 1884 Bradford map by Bacon. It's at the junction of Bowling Lane and Baird Street Bradford Stewart ==== ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Mailing List ==== E-mail etiquette pays dividends! - please CAPITALISE surnames, other text CAPITALisation usually means you are shouting! ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi New to this forum, and just thought I'd post my interests here. CLEAVER - in Skipton 1901 and beyond, also Keighley, Wilsden, Cowling etc in 20th century. Other interests elsewhere CLEAVER - in Tamworth Staffordshire and surrounding villages, 1861-1997 CLEAVER - in Warwickshire, specifically Kenilworth, Budbrooke, Aston 1760 -1900 THAWLEY - Polesworth and Wilnecote in Warwickshire -nineteenth and twentieth century, also Coventry from WW2 onwards BACKHOLER - Wilnecote and Coventry 1875 onwards Somerset, Dorset, Devon -1700 - 1901 London area from mid nineteenth century THOMPSON - Warwickshire and Staffordshire border villages from 1725 onwards Thanks Ellen Spence

Hello all, Is there sks who lives near this Cemetery, or happens to be going there? I am hoping to obtain a photograph of my Great Grandfather's grave,and in doing so hoping it will locate a missing Great Grandmother. Edmund Buckley Born Aug.21, 1860 - Died Sept 8, 1917 obituary says the funeral left the home of his daughter at Buttershaw Lane in Wibsey for the North Bierley Cemetery at 2:30 pm - the cemetery is about 1 mile from this address according to mapquest.com. his wife Sarah Jane Buckley nee Hollas was last spotted as a witness on the marriage certificate of one of her daughters in 1910, after that she has disappeared. Regards Eileen --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.