Dear all Felt so proud of myself,then thought am I doing something others do normally.What do you think. 1. Went on 1881 to see if I could find My mothers family WENSLEY entered WENSLEY 1800 plus /minus 10 years Got my the usual for my family in North Yorkshire,but I know and fancy that some went into Lancs. Entered the following date plus/minus(shorter timespan if you are a Green/ Brown/ Smith etc) watching the left hand part.son/wife/dau/b in law/moth in law etc after 1860 it is too much hassle to look at son/wife/dau,because you have looked at the head of the house so they are included. instead I looked for something different,grandson/daugher.servant,plus anything that was not family. I came up with a widow of a Wensley with mother,(maiden name) (I do not know who) a Wensley in service(which I would have missed on 1881 alone,not at home), a Wensley in the army plus 1 in Jail. 2 On ebay there is a man (harryhilda)selling census data for £1.25 plus & 75p postage(30p per extra item)he sells various census,I do not know what he has got but the one's advertised are 1851/ 1891 varies places,photocopies of the originals,£2 cheap a ???????????. Sorry if I bored you but it was news to me. All the best Alec

My mother and her friends lived in Regent Street and New York in Shipley around 1915 but I can't find any trace of these locations in current streetmaps. I have an old Alan Godfrey map but just can't lay my hands on it right now !!! If anybody can tell me where these locations were, preferably with a map, I'd be grateful. Regards, Barry Emmott

Hi Alec Just a quick note to say - you may not need to pay for census look-ups - it's always worth asking the list first, someone will probably find your family for you and send the image. You;'ll need to give any known details of the people you're looking for, plus which census you're interested in. Good luck Janet C >From: "Alec Hird" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] is it me >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:57:16 +0100 > >Dear all > >Felt so proud of myself,then thought am I doing something others do >normally.What do you think. > >1. Went on 1881 to see if I could find My mothers family WENSLEY >entered WENSLEY 1800 plus /minus 10 years >Got my the usual for my family in North Yorkshire,but I know and fancy that >some went into Lancs. > >Entered the following date plus/minus(shorter timespan if you are a Green/ >Brown/ Smith etc) > >watching the left hand part.son/wife/dau/b in law/moth in law etc > >after 1860 it is too much hassle to look at son/wife/dau,because you have >looked at the head of the house so they are included. > >instead I looked for something different,grandson/daugher.servant,plus >anything that was not family. > >I came up with a widow of a Wensley with mother,(maiden name) (I do not >know who) a Wensley in service(which I would have missed on 1881 alone,not >at home), >a Wensley in the army >plus 1 in Jail. > >2 >On ebay there is a man (harryhilda)selling census data for £1.25 plus & >75p postage(30p per extra item)he sells various census,I do not know what >he has got > >but the one's advertised are 1851/ 1891 varies places,photocopies of the >originals,£2 cheap a ???????????. > >Sorry if I bored you but it was news to me. > >All the best > >Alec > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many, many thanks to Roy, Roy, Valerie, Debbie and Yvonne for responding so quickly, helpfully and fully. So I have Ambrose, and have learned about alternative spellings! Watson is intriguing. My guess is that will Roy will solve it! Again, thanks to all. Much appreciated. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff - found it! > From: "Janet C" <[email protected]> > >> Hi again >> >> It's on YorkshireBMD site:- http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk >> >> 1854 - WHATMOUGH Ambrose Shipley Bradford SHIP/12/14 >> >> You can follow the link at the end of the entry on the site to order >> the certificate direct from the local registrar.> > > I can now confirm that the entry is also in the GRO Indexes in the June > quarter of 1854. Silly me - when I looked earlier and couldn't find it I > didn't > look for the name with an "H" after the "W" ! > > Clearly, either the family or different officials spelt it in several > different > ways, i.e Watmough, Whatmough and Watmuff, while in the 1837online > version of the 1861 census he has been mistranscribed as AMBROS > WALMOUGH. > > I am still intrigued, though, by the two births I found of a Watson > Watmuff. Clearly the first one who was born and died in 1854 could not > have been a brother of Ambrose but there was definitely a nine-year-old > Watson Watmuff living with the family in the 1881 census. Coincidence > or could the first Watson who died in infancy have been a cousin? > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In trying to trace information on my G t Uncle Sydney TOWN who died 27th Sept 1916. He is commemorated at Thiepval and in Morley I am keen to locate the war diaries of the 9th Bn West Yorkshire Regt (Prince of Wale's Own). Although I believe it may be a contact in York I need I have been unable to find anything for email or snailmail. I wonder if anyone on this list can help? It is exactly 90 years since he died , I have recently found a photo of him and wish to fill in more detail if I can. Hopeful of a clue to follow up Valerie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Gomersall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff Hi GJ, not many Watmuff's in Bradford, could be related to my husbands ones? you never know Janet Descendants of Stephen Watmuff Wilson Generation No. 1 1. STEPHEN WATMUFF1 WILSON was born Abt. 1777 in Durham, Sunderland. He married MARY. She was born Abt. 1775. Notes for STEPHEN WATMUFF WILSON: 11 197 33 1 47 Kirkgate Wilson Joshua Head Mar M 34 Watch Maker Employing 14 Men Yorks., Scarbro. Wilson Betsy Wife Mar F 30 Watch Maker Wife Lincs., Boston Wilson Mary Ann Daur Unm F 11 Watch Maker Daur Yorks., Bradford Wilson Wm. Henry Son Unm M 10 Watch Maker Son Yorks., Bradford Wilson Edward Son Unm M 8 Watch Maker Son Yorks., Bradford Wilson Stephen Father Widower M 85 Wesleyan Minister Durham, Sunderland Kenshall Thos. Bro. in Law Mar M 52? Wesleyan Minister Notts., Blythe Fowsey Richd. Servt. Unm M 22 Watch Makers Messenger Yorks., Pateley Bridge Brook Sophia Servt. Unm F 23 Watch Makers Servt. Yorks., Children of STEPHEN WILSON and MARY are: i. HENRY2 WILSON, b. 30 Oct 1797. More About HENRY WILSON: Baptism: 20 Aug 1806, St Peters Bradford ii. SAMUEL WILSON, b. 24 May 1800. Notes for SAMUEL WILSON: 3 62 124 1 28 Hanover Sq Wilson Samuel Head Mar M 50 Accountant Yorks., Bradford Wilson Jane Wife Mar F 50 - Yorks., Clitheroe Samuel Earnshaw Son Unm M 19 Apprentice to Manufacturer of Alpaca & Mohair Yorks., Baildon Lister Emma Serv Unm F 20 House Maid Yorks., Rodley Hodgson John Serv Mar M 53 ...? Yorks., Ilkley Fletcher James Bealey Visitor Unm M 24 Independent Minister M.A. London, Stepney Frauckel H. Lodger Unm M 21 Stuff Merchant Hamburg More About SAMUEL WILSON: Baptism: 20 Aug 1806, St Peters Bradford 2. iii. STEPHEN WILSON, b. 14 May 1802, Bradford; d. Y. iv. ELIZABETH WILSON, b. 30 Jun 1805. More About ELIZABETH WILSON: Baptism: 20 Aug 1806, St Peters Bradford v. JOSHUA WILSON, b. 1816. Generation No. 2 2. STEPHEN2 WILSON (STEPHEN WATMUFF1) was born 14 May 1802 in Bradford, and died in Y. He married WILSON NEE? 1817. Notes for STEPHEN WILSON: 1841 Check this out see others 1294_3 west end 6 33 21 victoria street hudson stephen h 40 woolcomber yes hudson mary 40 yes hudson william 30 labourer yes hudson jane 20 drawer yes hudson stephen 20 blacksmith yes hudson john 14 spinner yes hudson henry 12 spinner yes hudson george 6 yes hudson martha 9 yes More About STEPHEN WILSON: Baptism: 20 Aug 1806, St Peters Bradford Notes for WILSON NEE?: 1293_7 East End 17 7 6 john street 1841 east end wilson mary h 65 shop keeper yes could be ours Wilson ann 30 yes check this out Wilson eliza 25 yes Child of STEPHEN WILSON and WILSON NEE? is: 3. i. SAMUEL3 WILSON, b. Abt. 1818, Bradford; d. 20 Oct 1857, Infirmary Bradford. Generation No. 3 3. SAMUEL3 WILSON (STEPHEN2, STEPHEN WATMUFF1) was born Abt. 1818 in Bradford, and died 20 Oct 1857 in Infirmary Bradford. He married SARAH FEARNLEY 08 Jan 1838 in Bradford Parish Church1, daughter of SAMUEL FEARNLEY and ELIZABETH WINSBY. She was born 1818 in Pudsey, and died 03 Dec 1897 in Bradford. Notes for SAMUEL WILSON: Bermansey Cheapside nr Midland Hotel 1841 Census Wilson Samuel Head M 25 Wool Comber Yorks., Bradford Wilson Sarah Wife M 23 Worsted Weaver Yorks., Bradford Wilson Mary Daur 1 Yorks, Bradford Haigh William 25 Wool Comber yes Haigh Hannah 20 yes Haigh Elizabeth 1 yes Winsby Sarah 65 Independant Means " ---------------- Stott Hill Place 3321 f18 sch 11 1851 Censue Wilson Samuel Head M 35 Wool Comber Yorks., Bradford Wilson Sarah Wife M 30 Worsted Weaver Yorks., Bradford Wilson Mary Daur 10 Scholar Yorks, Bradford Wilson Elizabeth Daur 5 Scholar Yorks, Bradford Wilson Martha Daur 2 Yorks, Bradford Wilson Ralph son 6m Yorks., Bradford --------------- Stott Hill 3321 f18 sch 11 1861 Censue Wilson Sarah Head Wid 44 Worsted Weaver Yorks., Bradford Wilson Mary Daur 21 Worsted Factory Yorks, Bradford Sep 1/4 1837 Wilson Elizabeth Daur 16 Worsted Factory Yorks, Bradford Wilson Ralph son 9 Scholar Yorks., Bradford sep 1/4 1854 Wilson Hannah Daur 7 Scholar Yorks., Bradford Wilson Charlotte Daur 4 Scholar Yorks., Bradford ---------- Stott Hill 4461 32 163 1881 Wilson Sarah Head 56 Yorks., Bradford Wilson Ralph son 20 Joiner Yorks., Bradford Wilson Hannah Daur 17 Worsted Weaver Yorks., Bradford ------------- 35 Pemberton Drive 4168 ed34 f12 sch 100 1901 Ralph Wilson Head M 46 Worsted Spiining Cashier Bradford, York, England Emma WILSON Wife M 47 Cloth Weaver (Wool) Bradford, York, England Elsie B. Wilson Dau 10 Ardsley Yorks Sarah Smith Serv U 26 Dom Servant 3620 2 35 165 2 & 4 Frederick St Imeson Joshua Head Mar 61 Engine Filler Leeds 3620 2 35 165 2 & 4 Frederick St Imeson Ann Wife Mar 59 Cloth Weaver Leeds 3620 2 35 165 2 & 4 Frederick St Imeson Fred Son 24 Lab Bradford 3620 2 35 165 2 & 4 Frederick St Myers Sarah Cousin 21 Worsted Spinner Bradford More About SAMUEL WILSON: Burial: 22 Oct 1857, Undercliffe Cemetery Bradford Notes for SARAH FEARNLEY: Stott Hill Bradford 4461 f 32 page 163 1871 Census Wilson Sarah H Wid 56 Yorks., Bradford Wilson Ralph son 20 Joiner Yorks., Bradford Wilson Hannah Daur 17 Worsted Weaver Yorks., Bradford 1881 25 Stott Hill Place Bradford, RG114449 Folio 87 Sarah WILSON Head W 62 Chair Woman Bradford, York, England William H. MARSHALL Lodger U 22 Stone Mason Leeds, York, England Walter MARSHALL Lodger U 20 Warp Dyer (Worsted) Leeds, York, England More About SARAH FEARNLEY: Burial: 06 Dec 1897, Undercliffe Cemetry Bradford Christening: 19 Apr 1818, Bradford Parish Church Children of SAMUEL WILSON and SARAH FEARNLEY are: 4. i. MARY4 WILSON, b. 1840, Bradford; d. Dec 1892, Bradford. ii. ELIZABETH WILSON, b. 1845. iii. RALPH WILSON, b. 1849; m. MARTHA SHARP; b. Abt. 1849. Notes for RALPH WILSON: Marriages Sep 1876 WILSON Ralph Bradford Y 9b 158 Sharp Martha Bradford Y 9b 158 --------------------------- 154 Moody St Place Bowling, York, 4436 f48 Page8 1881 Census Ralph WILSON Head M 30 Carpenter Joiner & Builder Bradford, York, England Martha WILSON Wife M 29 Cloth Weaver (Wool) Bradford, York nee Sharp --------------------- Marriages Dec 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1884 Greenwood Emma Bradford Y 9b 269 WILSON Ralph Bradford Y 9b 269 35 Pemberton Drive 4168 ed34 f12 sch 100 1901 Ralph WILSON Head M 46 Worsted Spining Cashier Bradford, York, England Emma WILSON Wife M 47 Cloth Weaver (Wool) Bradford, York, England Elsie B. Wilson Dau 10 Ardsley Yorks Sarah Smith Serv U 26 Dom Servant ---------------------------- Births Dec 1891 Wilson Emma Bradford,Y. 9b 83 More About RALPH WILSON: Mar 1/4 1847: Bradford Y 23 116 Occupation: 1901, Worsted Spiining Cashier iv. MARTHA WILSON, b. 1848. v. HANNAH WILSON, b. 1854. > The coverage on FreeBMD for the 1850's is very patchy, have you checked > the > images for 1854 and 1855 to see if his birth is in the index, but not yet > covered by FreeBMD? They can be viewed on FreeBMD or Ancestry. If he is > not there you will have to write to the registrar for the area he was born > to ask them to check for his birth. There is always the possibility that > he > wasn't registered. > > Debbie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:47 AM > Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff > > >> Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? >> >> He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He was >> married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He died >> on >> 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in Sandy Lane. 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Hi Garry As the name WATNUFF is one I have not seen before today I happened to notice that in a message about Deeds in Wakefield 1782 there is a mention of Stephen Whatnuff woolcomber Bradford. It came in a message from Janet Ogden with quite a few other names listed. I wonder if it is any help to you. Pehaps you have seen it already. Happy hunting Valerie

From: "Janet C" <[email protected]> > Hi again > > It's on YorkshireBMD site:- http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk > > 1854 - WHATMOUGH Ambrose Shipley Bradford SHIP/12/14 > > You can follow the link at the end of the entry on the site to order > the certificate direct from the local registrar.> I can now confirm that the entry is also in the GRO Indexes in the June quarter of 1854. Silly me - when I looked earlier and couldn't find it I didn't look for the name with an "H" after the "W" ! Clearly, either the family or different officials spelt it in several different ways, i.e Watmough, Whatmough and Watmuff, while in the 1837online version of the 1861 census he has been mistranscribed as AMBROS WALMOUGH. I am still intrigued, though, by the two births I found of a Watson Watmuff. Clearly the first one who was born and died in 1854 could not have been a brother of Ambrose but there was definitely a nine-year-old Watson Watmuff living with the family in the 1881 census. Coincidence or could the first Watson who died in infancy have been a cousin? -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi again It's on YorkshireBMD site:- http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk 1854 - WHATMOUGH Ambrose Shipley Bradford SHIP/12/14 You can follow the link at the end of the entry on the site to order the certificate direct from the local registrar. Hope this helps Janet C >From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:47:41 +0100 > >Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > >He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He was >married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He died on >29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in Sandy Lane. His >gravestone says he was aged 81. > >I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing? > >GJ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> > > > Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > > > > He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He > > was married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. > > He died on 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in > > Sandy Lane. His gravestone says he was aged 81. > > > > I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing?> > > I believe I may have the solution for you! > > I searched the GRO Indexes at 1837online for the years 1854 and 1855. > In the July-September quarter of 1854 is a WATSON WATMUFF, born at > Bradford (Vol 9b page 89). The next name immediately below this is the > first of many Watsons, an Albert Watson also born at Bradford. My > first thought was that the clerk who wrote up the indexes made a > mistake, had a momentary lapse and wrote "Watson" as the christian > name of the Watmuff birth, being distracted by the Watson immediately > after it. > > However, I then found the family on the 1881 census discs. Ambrose and > his wife Alice and their two children, Wilfred aged 1 and another son > only 6 days old (unnamed and enumerated as "Infant Watmuff") were > living with Ambrose's parents, Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff, at 3 Sandy > Lane Bottom, Heaton (which is near Shipley). Ambrose is aged 26, > placing his birth correctly as circa 1854/5. However, also in the > household is a 9- year-old brother of Ambrose's called WATSON WATMUFF! > > I would take a modest bet that the child born in the Sep quarter of > 1854 was Ambrose - possibly called Ambrose Watson or Watson Ambrose - > and that later Joseph and Rebecca had another son who they also > decided to call Watson (possibly Watson was Rebecca's maiden surname). > I suggest you apply for the birth certificate of Watson Watmuff born > in 1854, being sure to put in the reference checking that his father > was Joseph and his mother Rebecca, so that at least you will get some > of your money back if it's wrong. > > Let us know if I'm right, would you?> OOPS! I've just been into FreeBMD and noticed that the Watson Watmuff born at Bradford in the September quarter of 1854 died in the following quarter, so bang goes my theory ! However, Watson was very probably a son of Joseph and Rebecca since they had another son called Watson born in the December quarter of 1871, who is the one in the 1881 census. So was Ambrose a twin of the first Watson Watmuff and for some peculiar reason they only registered one child??? Back to the drawing board! This is one of the more interesting queries of recent days. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

The coverage on FreeBMD for the 1850's is very patchy, have you checked the images for 1854 and 1855 to see if his birth is in the index, but not yet covered by FreeBMD? They can be viewed on FreeBMD or Ancestry. If he is not there you will have to write to the registrar for the area he was born to ask them to check for his birth. There is always the possibility that he wasn't registered. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff > Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > > He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He was > married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He died on > 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in Sandy Lane. His > gravestone says he was aged 81. > > I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing? > > GJ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 > >

From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> > > > Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > > > > He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He > > was married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. > > He died on 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in > > Sandy Lane. His gravestone says he was aged 81. > > > > I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing?> > > I believe I may have the solution for you! > > I searched the GRO Indexes at 1837online for the years 1854 and 1855. > In the July-September quarter of 1854 is a WATSON WATMUFF, born at > Bradford (Vol 9b page 89). The next name immediately below this is the > first of many Watsons, an Albert Watson also born at Bradford. My > first thought was that the clerk who wrote up the indexes made a > mistake, had a momentary lapse and wrote "Watson" as the christian > name of the Watmuff birth, being distracted by the Watson immediately > after it. > > However, I then found the family on the 1881 census discs. Ambrose and > his wife Alice and their two children, Wilfred aged 1 and another son > only 6 days old (unnamed and enumerated as "Infant Watmuff") were > living with Ambrose's parents, Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff, at 3 Sandy > Lane Bottom, Heaton (which is near Shipley). Ambrose is aged 26, > placing his birth correctly as circa 1854/5. However, also in the > household is a 9- year-old brother of Ambrose's called WATSON WATMUFF! > > I would take a modest bet that the child born in the Sep quarter of > 1854 was Ambrose - possibly called Ambrose Watson or Watson Ambrose - > and that later Joseph and Rebecca had another son who they also > decided to call Watson (possibly Watson was Rebecca's maiden surname). > I suggest you apply for the birth certificate of Watson Watmuff born > in 1854, being sure to put in the reference checking that his father > was Joseph and his mother Rebecca, so that at least you will get some > of your money back if it's wrong. > > Let us know if I'm right, would you?> Sorry, I missed the fact in your message that Rebecca's maiden name was Ratcliffe. However, I suspect Watson may well have been a grandmother's name. This was very common, ie to name a child with its grandmother's maiden surname. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> > Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > > He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He > was married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He > died on 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in > Sandy Lane. His gravestone says he was aged 81. > > I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing?> I believe I may have the solution for you! I searched the GRO Indexes at 1837online for the years 1854 and 1855. In the July-September quarter of 1854 is a WATSON WATMUFF, born at Bradford (Vol 9b page 89). The next name immediately below this is the first of many Watsons, an Albert Watson also born at Bradford. My first thought was that the clerk who wrote up the indexes made a mistake, had a momentary lapse and wrote "Watson" as the christian name of the Watmuff birth, being distracted by the Watson immediately after it. However, I then found the family on the 1881 census discs. Ambrose and his wife Alice and their two children, Wilfred aged 1 and another son only 6 days old (unnamed and enumerated as "Infant Watmuff") were living with Ambrose's parents, Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff, at 3 Sandy Lane Bottom, Heaton (which is near Shipley). Ambrose is aged 26, placing his birth correctly as circa 1854/5. However, also in the household is a 9- year-old brother of Ambrose's called WATSON WATMUFF! I would take a modest bet that the child born in the Sep quarter of 1854 was Ambrose - possibly called Ambrose Watson or Watson Ambrose - and that later Joseph and Rebecca had another son who they also decided to call Watson (possibly Watson was Rebecca's maiden surname). I suggest you apply for the birth certificate of Watson Watmuff born in 1854, being sure to put in the reference checking that his father was Joseph and his mother Rebecca, so that at least you will get some of your money back if it's wrong. Let us know if I'm right, would you? -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Great piece of detective work from Roy! Look forward to hearing if his theory is correct, it certainly sounds very feasible. Do you have the family in all the census? I can see them in 1861, surname spelling WATMOUGH - if you would like the image, I can forward it to you. Best wishes Janet C >From: "Garry Johnson" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Watmuff >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:47:41 +0100 > >Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? > >He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He was >married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He died on >29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in Sandy Lane. His >gravestone says he was aged 81. > >I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing? > >GJ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me with AMBROSE WATMUFF? He was the son of Joseph and Rebecca Watmuff (she was Ratcliffe). He was married to Alice Drake at Shipley parish church on 12 Nov 1878. He died on 29 March 1936 and is buried at Bethesda Baptist Chapel in Sandy Lane. His gravestone says he was aged 81. I can't find documentation of his birth. What I am I missing? GJ

Hi Folks, This is a request for local knowledge of many places! As a lot of you will know, I have a large number of photographs of Yorkshire churches on the Genuki Yorkshire web-site. Whilst taking these photographs, I come across Churches/Chapels which are no longer in use (and in most cases have been put to other uses). Frequently I am unable to ascertain the old denomination of these Churches/Chapels and so I am asking for those with local knowledge of the relevant areas to try to identify these for me please. You will find a list of these with links to the relevant photographs at: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/unknown/ Any assistance would be gratefully received. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://cdroms.blunham.com/

Harry, She died in Bradford in 1906, according to FreeBMD. Rob > Hi Listers, > I am still trying to peice together info on Julia Blott, the one that could be my Julia I think emigrated to the U.S.A from Bradford Yorks after 1901 and before 1908, has anyone any idea how I could trace Julia possibly through the ships log etc. The birth dates I have on her vary from 1845 and 1850. > > Regards > Harry (Canada) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

[email protected] wrote snip<> I am seeking any information on the HAMMOND family, in particular Benjamin, who was a lock keeper on the Leeds / Liverpool Canal in 1841. He and his family are on the census of that year living at Hammond Locks. Hi There is a website which may help you they have a contact us Good luck Christine http://townsleyb.members.beeb.net/llcs/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 271 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

There's a very detailed 1851 map on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ which you can enlarge and search along the canal - a fiddly job, but might be worth a shot! Janet C >From: ROGER EMMINS <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Hammond Family >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:19:42 +0100 (BST) > >Good morning Listers > > I am seeking any information on the HAMMOND family, in particular >Benjamin, who was a lock keeper on the Leeds / Liverpool Canal in 1841. He >and his family are on the census of that year living at Hammond Locks. I >cannot locate this set of locks on current L&L maps, but they must be >somewhere around the Idle, Thackley, Calverley area of Bradford. Any help >would be welcome. Thanks in advance. > > Roger Emmins > > >Roger S. Emmins > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Listers, Please disregard my last e-mail query for Julia Blott. Harry