The power-loom, which had now entirely superseded the handloom, was a factor in the peaceful revolution that followed, as it found employment for many of both sexes in the various processes connected therewith. The Crimean War, 1854-5, however, produced a time of ghastly suffering and privation. Employment was scarce, and necessaries again went to famine prices. Starvation was rife, and we learn that robberies and burglaries were not unfrequent occurrences; so frequent, in fact, that one winter, when flour was dear and work scarce, the inhabitants were called up in batches to patrol the thoroughfares during the night. These are the days spoken of as the “good old times,” but the one who lived in them and worked in them does not agree with this appellation. Coming to the year 1859 when, we may conclude, improvements were being introduced in many directions, the lot of the average working class family was one of a hand-to-mouth character; but there was a spirit of unrest with their conditions amongst the people, which led them to discuss the means of improvement. All previous attempts on the part of the people to improve their social position—such as Robert ()wen’s communities and Feargus O’Connor’s land scheme - had failed in their purpose. To wait for Parliamentary assistance was despairing so they turned to the plan of the Rochdale Pioneers, who by their example had shown them that by their own efforts they could achieve the object of their desires, without the assistance of Parliament. The following lines by Heine, the German poet, appropriately express the sentiment of the situation, They gave me advice and counsel in store. Praised me and honoured me more and more; Said that I only should wait awhile;’ Offered their patronage, too, with a smile. But with all their honour and approbation, I should, long ago, have died of starvation. Had there not come an excellent man, Who bravely to help me along began. Good fellow! He got me the food I ate His kindness and care I shall never forget: Yet I cannot embrace him, though other folks can, For I myself am this excellent man.” -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006

Social Surroundings of Horton and District prior to the Establishment of the Great Horton Industrial Self-Help Society. It might appear to the  reader that a reference to this period is foreign to our purpose, and not consonant with our object, viz., the History of the Cop-operative Society. A  cursory glance at the social condition of the people, with a reference to their early struggles to improve their lot, may, however, lead us to see more clearly the reason for combining to establish amongst themselves this form of self-help. Mr. Wm. Cudworth in his “Rambles Round Horton,” refers to the”goodl old times” in his description of the district, the people, and their surroundings. Referring to the period anterior to the establishment of co-operation in Great Horton, we are told that in the various struggles of the present century - 1800 to 1900 - Hortonians have generally been to the fore, and many a veteran has suffered imprisonment for his zeal in political warfare. At this time the processes of farming and of manufacturing went hand-in-hand. These manufacturers generallv farmed their own small estates, and occupied themselves and their families alternatelv with the mixed labour of tilling their limited acres, and in combing, spinning, carding. and weaving. In a large measure these old-time “manufactures” spent a life of happiness, and ended their days in honourab!e ease. But as time went on and the process of manufacture extended to the employed class,. the conditions of life were not so pleasant as to the “master men”. Old Hortonians tell of a time when wool was brought about once a month from Leeds and other places to Horton, Clayton, Allerton, and other villages in Bradford Dale, to be carded combed. and spun, the day of arrival being held in festive  celebrations, as on these occasions a drop of “short”‘ generally found its way into the villages. In summer time the women took out their spinning wheels to the village green and upon the hillsides, which were then waste lands abounding with yellow turze and purple heather, interspersed with large boulders. When the women had got a pound of wool from a neighborouring  farmer,  it was spun into “cops” then reeled into hanks, and carried back to “t’maister”, who gave it out in the hank to the handloom weaver, who in turn had to spin it on to bobbins before weaving. A girl of 14 or 15 years would spin about ten hanks a day, which would amount to less than sixpence. Nearly every farmer had a comb-pot and employed a comber or two; if he was the possessor of a “pot o’ four “ and a pair of  looms, he was in a large way of business. The class of goods made were called “calimancoes”, and were from 16 inches to 19 inches broad, the weaver throwing the shuttle with one hand, catching it with the other, and throwing it back again.

The introduction of steam power displaced much hand labour and caused widespread suffering and privation. This roused the people to a state of resentment against the new method, and in their anger they started to attack the mills where steam had been brought into use as the motive power. This movement, known as the “Plug Riots” was somehow regarded with little sympathy in Horton. and very few compromised themselves by joining it. This was in the year 1842. Mr.Wm. Cudworth. describing the march of the rioters through the village, on their way from Halifax to Bradford writes as follows : - The sight of that huge crowd of people as they marched was not such, indeed, as to induce many to throw in their lot with them. It was a spectacle which once seen it is impossible to forget. The crowd came pouring through Horton, taking the whole breadth of the wide road - a gaunt, famished looking, desperate multitude, armed with huge bludgeons, flails, pitchforks and pikes many without coats and hats, and hundreds with their clothes in rags and tatters. Many of the older men looked footsore and weary but the great bulk were’ men in the prime of life, full of wild excitement. As they marched, they thundered out, to a grand old tune, the Union hymn-_. Oh, worthy is the glorious cause, Ye patriots of the Union Our fathers’ rights, our fathers laws Demand a faithful Union A crouching dastard sure is he Who would not strive for liberty And die to make old England free From all her load of tyranny Up, brave men of the Union As the wild mob swept onward, terrified women brought out all their eatables and, in the hope apparently of purchasing their forbearance, handed them to the rough looking men who crowded to the doors and windows. That some of them had need of food was evident from the fact that one poor famished wretch, after struggling feebly for a share of the provisions, fell down on the road side and died, just about where the Liberal Club now stands. The position of hand woolcombers about this time was a precarious and uncertain one. The wages earned were so small that a mere existence is the only term that can be used in referring to their life. One now living, who was a “hand-comber”, says they worked from early morning until late at night. It took two days to do 20 lbs. of wool at 3d per lb ;. that is equal to 2s 6d. per day for a very long day. This could not be done day after day, as the wool was to fetch and to “liver“ (deliver). When busy, it was no unusual thing to work “through“ on Friday night, so as to be able to liver on the Saturday. In the best of times 14s. per week was considered good earning. The work was mostly done in the bedroom, or sleeping-room and more often than not the weary one wishing to retire had to wait until work was finished. Try to imagine, reader, the conditions under which people lived fifty or sixty years ago. Even when a man was sober, his food must of necessity have been very coarse and many times scanty. But when we remember the custom prevai1ing, of “weighing out” and “weighing in” at public-houses, and the consequent sociability, resulting in the spending of part or whole, of the hard-earned wages, we must wonder how they managed even to exist. Another custom, and one which prevailed almost universally until stopped by Act of Parliament, was the paying of wages in goods, which again reduced the value of the people’s earnings. This system was known as the “Truck“ system. At the time we write of - 1842 or 1844 -there were only four shops in Horton: Jonas Booth, in High Street, opposite the end of Southfield Lane; John Clough, at the end of Harris Court in High Street: Edward Peel, who kept a Sh01) in Southfield Lane, at the bottom of Smith Road and John Hartley who kept the shop in High Street, just above Cross Lane, the one underneath the first house. John Hartley also “livered” wool out, for which he gave only 2d per lb and goods were given to the amount of the sum earned. This seemed to be a case of Hobson’s choice, take it or leave it but they had to take it to live. Cloth was almost unknown for wearing apparel by the men, and you could have taken a long day’s march without meeting a man with a watch. A man was indeed favoured by fortune who could save 10s to buy a little pig, but even then it had to be mortgaged to the grocer, who supplied “feeding stuff.” that the alleged owner of the pig could not afford to buy, in exchange for two hams and a fitch of bacon when it was killed. Such was the social state of the inhabitants immediately preceding the repeal of the iniquitous Corn Laws, in I846.. Conditions gradually improved but not immediately, as was expected, when the corn laws were abolished. The year 1847 was a famine year, and prices were high. Flour fluctuated between 3s and 4s per stone, oatmeal was 1s 2d per 5lbs, potatoes were from 1s 6d to 2s per stone, and sugar 6d to 7d per lb. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006

This state of things brought forward, in 1830, M. Richard Oastler, of Fixby Hall, Huddersfield as the champion of the child and mill operative, and to his unbounded energy, eloquence, and courage, at the sacrifice of the friendship of his class, was due State legislation in amelioration of the cruel Conditions under which they worked. It is not surprising that men were discontented, and continually discussed means of improving their lot. Is it cause for wonder that they flocked to the standard of Feargus O‘Connor in his propaganda for the Peoples Charter ? In these days Horton was a hotbed of Chartism and bristled with physical force men. At times the patrol surprised bodies of men armed with guns and pikes, etc., drilling in preparation for the uprising that was to take place if the People’s Charter was refused. The handloom weavers and wool-combers flourished the Radical colour almost to a man, and they received O’Connor’s gospel with special enthusiasm. All through the long days, and often far into the night for these men had to work fourteen or sixteen hours a day to earn a mere pittance - the combing shops rang with wild denunciation of wrong-doers, or of fervid admiration of the champion of democracy. The Northern Star newspaper, which cost 7d, was subscribed foe and read in all the combing shops ; but even this could not be done until a reader was obtained, very few at that time having mastered the rudiments of reading. The enthusiasm created was remarkab1e, and it is certain that every man was a politician of no mean order. Although it must he admitted that in general knowledge and education they were inferior to the working men of to-day, upon all questions appertaining to politics they were infinitely superior. The difficulty was not then to find speakers at the many public meetings which were held, but rather to find places for all who were anxious t unburden themselves. When Feargus O’Connor visited the village, tremendous enthusiasm was aroused, and we are told that no royal personage could have been received with greater honour than was the leader of democracy in England on that day. All the village was astir almost before the morn broke, and. when O’Connor appeared, the horses were taken from his carriage and he was drawn through the streets amidst the wildest enthusiasm. It is said that every man. ay, and boy, too, knew the six points of the Charter, and, as showing the Utopian character of their longings, we give them here :- (1) Universal suffrage. (2) Vote by ballot. (3) Equal electoral districts (4) Annual Parliaments (5) No property qualification. (6) Payment of Members Over two hundred names were on the book of the branch of the National Chartist Association at Great Horton, and these subscribed regularly to the funds, and also to the secret fund for the purchase of arms, quantities of which were hidden under the floors of workshops in and around Westcroft Fold, Upper and Low Green. &c. Stringent measures were taken to repress the movement by the authorities, both in Horton and throughout the country. It is related that the suspected ones were watched and their footsteps dogged and even their actions interfered with. They were watched in their homes, especially if a light appeared in the window somewhat later than the general rule. “Dave Reet” or David Wright on one occasion was sat at supper which consisted of boiled milk, when he heard voices outside his cottage, and on looking up saw faces peering through the fanlight. He knew instinctively that he had been followed and was being shadowed, and in a flash he picked up his dish of milk and shied it through the window, Thus disturbed their intentions, and throwing caution to the winds, they went off with a clatter, Not daring to wait for the man they were tracking, who seems to have been a man they feared and whose powers they respected. Persecution showed itself in another form. John Clough, commonly called “Jack Cliff,” was the bellman of the period, and for “calling” a Chartist meeting he was forcibly deprived of the bell, and it was given to another man. This was not accepted by the inhabitants, and they set to and subscribed for the cost of another bell, which was presented to him to be used for any purpose whatsoever. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006

The preface to the book, is included below, and is followed by the first chapter of the book which gives the social background to the formation of the Great Horton Co-op. The remainder of the book is the history of the Great Horton Co-op, and it is very unlikely that I will be transcribing nearly 200 pages that will be of little interest. There is a map of Great Horton in 1827, which is badly creased and will need some work, after it’s been scanned. There are about 40 photographs of committee members, but they are not dated. I have also put the committee members into a spreadsheet, noted half yearly, and contains over a thousand entries, and if anyone wants a copy it can be sent as a CSV file. Regards John    PREFACE In  presenting the accompanying: history the compiler has been actuated by a desire to record simply, and as briefly as possible the outstanding features of the society’s career. It has been a. pleasant although laborious task, the whole of the work having had to he done in addition to, and outside the ordinary round of business. There is no pretension to literary achievement, and no one is more conscious of defects and shortcomings than the writer. Such as it is, it is now left to the tender mercies of my readers, in the hope that if it does not meet with universal approbation, it will at least be interesting as a calendar of events, marking the various stages of growth and development. The record of the Great Horton Society is not unlike very many of its contemporaries in its quiet and smooth course. Nothing, with the exception of the great ‘right of way’ case, has occurred to make the story sensational or fascinating. The minute books record no exceptional disclosures, and in this respect have been almost barren in providing material for comment. The balance sheets show that the society has been most fortunate in its dealings throughout its career; financial losses have not been its lot; fraud, with one exception has not intervened to create unpleasant anti painful situations, with consequent loss; members meetings have invariably been characterised by good feeling and harmony; serious crises have been absent; all tending to make up a career singularly immune from risk and romance. We would not wish it otherwise. We hope that nothing has been written which will in the slightest degree cause pain to a single person. Anything of a personal nature has been studiously avoided as the intention has not been to record personal pecularities and shortcomings but to confine the narrative to a record of the accomplishments of the members as a whole. Owing to specially long connections of some or exceptional services of others, we have been necessarily obliged to give these prominence but this has only been done where omission would have robbed the story of its chief interest. There may he some who in the opinion of others deserved special mention; if these have not been referred to, their omission has not been, from personal motives or feelings of disrespect. It will be obvious that to mention all who have served the society in the various offices, would have been impossible. We desire to express our thanks to all those who have contributed in any way to the work of compilation. Amongst these are Mr. Joseph Shepherd, president, Mr Alfred Boyes, Mr. William Milnes, Mr. G. F. Laycock. We are indebted for much of the information relating to early times to the work of the late Mr. Wm. Cudworth If the reading of the book will stimulate the members to greater interest, the writing will not have been in vain. No other reward is coveted than the knowledge that it has been the means of giving an impetus to the spread of true co-operation, the outcome of which would be greater opportunity for conferring the benefits it does, and can bestow when wholly and fully practised. Can anyone doubt the power for good the society has created on the social life of the community during its 50 years existence? It can safely claim to have emancipated thousands of its members from the burden of debt which once weighed them down, and not only gave them a spirit of independence and self-reliance, but created within them a desire to improve their  position, which made it possible for them to obtain a competency. Just as surely it was the means of procuring for its members and the public generally, who have thus benefited indirectly, a pure and improved food supply. This has an important bearing on our health and development. It has been the pioneer in the district for shorter hours of labour for its assistants, improving the conditions and rates of wages. All this it has done, and more. We need to be proud of our heritage. Then let us see to it that in our day and generation we do all in our power to develop its resources, so as to render it more powerful for good to succeeding generations.

A good tip, Rob. Many thanks. At 16:16 01/10/2006, you wrote: >One technique for searching for an address is if you know who was living >nearby in previous or subsequent censuses -- search for the neighbours. > >Rob

Hi, Just as a follow-up to my last post on Seanah Rawnsley (b. 1881 in Heaton, married Frank C. Walker in 1920), I wanted to mention that with a bit more research, I think I found her grandmother in the 1851 census, name transcribed as "Sennah," but my guess is that she also could be a Seanah." This Seanah (or Sennah) was married to George Rawnsley, and John Rawnsley (my Seanah's father, b. around 1836 or 7) was among their children. The census list also includes two daughters named Sarah... a careful look at the handwriting suggests that ONE of these Sarahs might be another Seanah! It's amazing, isn't it, how many errors in transcription we find, that can play tricks on our research progress! Best wishes-- Charlotte in upstate New York -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of [email protected] Sent: Sun 10/1/2006 3:12 AM To: [email protected]

Hello, All-- I just noticed the recent exchanges between David and Lisa about the Rawnsley family and wanted to offer my own very small connection to the Rawnsleys, hoping it might fill a gap in someone's research-- and perhaps lead so some clues for my own. One of the descendants of my Walker line in Bradford, Frank Cecil Walker (born in Bradford, 1888), married Seannah Ethel Rawnsley (born in Heaton, 1881), at the Parish Church in Manningham on 21 June 1920. I can't recall how I tracked down and affirmed their marriage, but I do have the certificate and would be glad to share a copy with anyone who could use it. It would be easy for someone to lose track of Seanna Ethel, because the 1891 census has her listed as "Leauah Ethel" (though if I look at the script it looks more like Leanah)-- and if I recall correctly I think she was also written down as a "Sarah" somewhere else. But her marriage certificate is pretty unmistakably "Seanah." From that certificate I saw that her father's name was John Rawnsley, and in the 1891 census, I find John Rawnsley, aged 54, with wife Elizabeth, age 56, and children Mary, Clara, Fred, Charlotte, and "Leauah." Would any of you who are working on the Rawnsley family happen to have any more information about Seanah Rawnsley and Frank Cecil Walker or their children and grandchildren? They are descendants of Frank Walker who was a brother of my great-grandfather, and was an organist and music teacher in Bradford, later Secretary of the Tradesmen's homes. Best wishes! (And I hope Frank and Seannah had a wonderful life together!) Charlotte, in upstate New York -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of [email protected] Sent: Sat 9/30/2006 3:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 Today's Topics: 1. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) 2. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) 3. BRADFORD EAST (Bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:42:30 +0930 From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lisa I do have a Hannah Rawnsley in my data base born about that time. I have little information on her but have about 500 people in the data base and many I am still verifying. If you wish to contact me off list at [email protected] we can discuss this further. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Warnes Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford She married a William Duckett in 1874. She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. Would any of these have any connection with your line? Just wondering! Many regards, Lisa Warnes >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 > >Hello John > >Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >could be a good supplement > >Regards >David Rawnsley >Australia > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Hi All > > > >I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >history of Great Horton Industrial Society . > >According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >co-op but no record has survived. > > > >The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >noted, >although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >photographs of some of them. > > > >Regards John > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:46:14 +0930 From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Pete I do have a Thomas Rawnsley in my data base and may be related. I will check all information and get back to you. Regards David Rawnsley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Northing Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David & Lisa May I jump in on this RAWNSLEY question please. I have a Thomas Rawnsley as my 4 x Gt Grandfather. And am seeking any info. about him. I start with a marriage: 20.6.1820 PR/Mar At Bradford : George Leach otp Weaver and Sarah Rawnsley otp Spinster , by Banns Married by William Bishop, Curate. Both made their mark XX Witnessed by John Barker and Jonas Tasker who witnessed several marriages (Probably Parish Clerks) That Sarah Rawnsley was my 3rd Gt bGrandmother. She lived at Great Horton and died there 19 January 1853. Her father is beleived to have been Thomas RAWNSLEY because 7.8.1795 Per Bradford PR ? : Bap : Sarah D/o Thomas & Martha Raunsley, Great Horton ??? 7.8.1795 IGI As above : Batch K107655 : Source film 0990533 : Printout 6911014 I need to verify that I have the right Father; Thomas. And all the usual unknown questions. Am I in luck in that you are connected and know all about these people ????/ Ever optimistic. Pete Lisa Warnes wrote: >Hello David > >I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: >Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford >She married a William Duckett in 1874. >She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also >Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. >Would any of these have any connection with your line? > >Just wondering! > >Many regards, >Lisa Warnes > > > > >>From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 >> >>Hello John >> >>Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >>generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >>could be a good supplement >> >>Regards >>David Rawnsley >>Australia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >>Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >> >>Hi All >> >> >> >>I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >>history of Great Horton Industrial Society . >> >>According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >>co-op but no record has survived. >> >> >> >>The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >>noted, >>although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >>of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >>photographs of some of them. >> >> >> >>Regards John >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:52:28 +1000 From: Bill <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] BRADFORD EAST To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Listers Could some one tell me what area Bradford East covers. 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Janet John MIRFIELD was born in Pudsey in 1847 and Susannah TOWNEND born c1850/1 in Bradford Their marriage on the 6th Jan1868 cert shows they were living in Bradford(no address) John was 19 & Susannah 18 John's father was Daniel a Weaver and Susannahs father was John a labourer. the 1871 census shows them living at 47 Moody st Bowling John (known asJack) is 23 and Susannah 20 Mary their daughter is 7 mths and she was born in Croft st(no number) on twenty sixth August 1870 in the sub-district of Bradford East her birth cert shows that her father was John Mirfield a Bricklayers Labourer and his address is given as 16 Norton Gate Horton. On the 22nd Oct 1874 they had a son Isaac(my granddad) born at 14 Albert st in the sub-district of Bradford West. What I would like to know is (a) would this be the Croft St in Bowling (b) where is Albert St in Bradford West. Would love to find out if John & Susannah had more children.Janet thankyou for taking an interest hope this info is of help. Bill Avoca Beach Nsw

One technique for searching for an address is if you know who was living nearby in previous or subsequent censuses -- search for the neighbours. Rob > Hi Denise > > Many thanks indeed for taking the time to look up the occupants of 56 Hall > Lane, Bowling in 1881. Once again, I can see no family connection with > either Edward or Ruth, but it was something I needed to know. They are a > different family to the occupants in 1891. Isn't it strange how families > seemed to move around so much? Very few of my families remained in the > same house from Census to Census, although I appreciate that streets were > often re-numbered or even re-named. > > How did you manage to trace this entry from just the address, Denise? As I > said in my original posting, I spent a lot of time going through the > descriptions of each enumeration district and ploughing through the > different pages from there. There must be a quicker way. Putting in the > address on the search page didn't seem to work..... Or at least, it didn't > last night. I have just tried it again now and bingo! there is the Parker > family. Would you believe it! > > But I think the 1881 Census is the only one to have the Street Address > option on the search page, so how do you search on the other Censuses when > you only know the address? > > It would still be interesting to know who was actually living at these two > addresses in 1887. Are there any electoral registers or trade directories > covering this period, do you know, which might help? And, if so, where can > they be viewed? Also which are the local Bowling churches, in case Thomas > was christened there if his parents stayed in the area for some time? Can > they be accessed on-line or are they available only in the Archives? > > Sorry to ask so many questions again, but any help at all over this matter > will be most gratefully received. And many thanks for your help already. > > Wendy > > > At 23:10 30/09/2006, you wrote: > >> The Parker Family were living at 56 Hall Lane, Bowling in 1881. >> >> William Parker 34 >> Mary Parker 34 >> Edwin Parker 6 >> Emma Parker 5mo >> >> Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4436; Folio: 85; Page: 11; >> Line: ; GSU roll: 1342060. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Denise V >> >> >> Wendy Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am a new subscriber to this list, but wonder whether any kind person >> might be able to throw any light on a query I have encountered please? >> >> I have eventually, after a lot of searching as you can imagine, found the >> correct birth certificate for Thomas SMITH, the son of Edward SMITH and >> Ruth SMITH (nee RICKETTS). He was born on 12 February 1887 at 51 Moody >> Street, Bowling and yet his father, Edward SMITH, the informant, gives his >> address as 56 Hall Lane, Bowling on the certificate. >> >> The query is that Ruth RICKETTS, who was my great-grandmother's sister, >> spent all her life in the Wolverhampton area and all her other children >> were born there. She was back in Wolverhampton at the time of the 1891 >> Census. So why was Thomas born in Bradford? >> >> Maybe they were staying with a friend or relation when she gave birth >> unexpectedly..? I have found out who was living at 51 Moody Street at the >> time of both the 1881 and 1891 Census, but I can see no connection with the >> two different families who were living there. I have also found out who >> was living at 56 Hall Lane at the time of the 1891 Census - again no >> connection - but have not yet located this address on the 1881 Census. Is >> there a quick way to check Census addresses when you don't know the >> occupants' name, other than going through all the enumeration districts? >> >> What I wondered was, does anyone have access to any electoral registers or >> trade directories for 1887 and would be able to check who was living at >> these two addresses in 1887 please? >> >> My other request is to ask how I can access the parish registers for >> Bowling, in case Thomas was baptised in the area, as I can find no record >> of him having been baptised in Wolverhampton. >> >> Any help or suggestions will be most gratefully received. I am asking not >> only on my own behalf but also on behalf of an American cousin who is a >> direct descendant of Thomas and is anxious to find out all he can about him. >> >> Many thanks to anyone kind enough to take the time to help me over this >> puzzle. >> >> Wendy Lewis >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Denise Many thanks indeed for taking the time to look up the occupants of 56 Hall Lane, Bowling in 1881. Once again, I can see no family connection with either Edward or Ruth, but it was something I needed to know. They are a different family to the occupants in 1891. Isn't it strange how families seemed to move around so much? Very few of my families remained in the same house from Census to Census, although I appreciate that streets were often re-numbered or even re-named. How did you manage to trace this entry from just the address, Denise? As I said in my original posting, I spent a lot of time going through the descriptions of each enumeration district and ploughing through the different pages from there. There must be a quicker way. Putting in the address on the search page didn't seem to work..... Or at least, it didn't last night. I have just tried it again now and bingo! there is the Parker family. Would you believe it! But I think the 1881 Census is the only one to have the Street Address option on the search page, so how do you search on the other Censuses when you only know the address? It would still be interesting to know who was actually living at these two addresses in 1887. Are there any electoral registers or trade directories covering this period, do you know, which might help? And, if so, where can they be viewed? Also which are the local Bowling churches, in case Thomas was christened there if his parents stayed in the area for some time? Can they be accessed on-line or are they available only in the Archives? Sorry to ask so many questions again, but any help at all over this matter will be most gratefully received. And many thanks for your help already. Wendy At 23:10 30/09/2006, you wrote: >The Parker Family were living at 56 Hall Lane, Bowling in 1881. > > William Parker 34 > Mary Parker 34 > Edwin Parker 6 > Emma Parker 5mo > > Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4436; Folio: 85; Page: 11; > Line: ; GSU roll: 1342060. > > Hope this helps, > > Denise V > > >Wendy Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a new subscriber to this list, but wonder whether any kind person >might be able to throw any light on a query I have encountered please? > >I have eventually, after a lot of searching as you can imagine, found the >correct birth certificate for Thomas SMITH, the son of Edward SMITH and >Ruth SMITH (nee RICKETTS). He was born on 12 February 1887 at 51 Moody >Street, Bowling and yet his father, Edward SMITH, the informant, gives his >address as 56 Hall Lane, Bowling on the certificate. > >The query is that Ruth RICKETTS, who was my great-grandmother's sister, >spent all her life in the Wolverhampton area and all her other children >were born there. She was back in Wolverhampton at the time of the 1891 >Census. So why was Thomas born in Bradford? > >Maybe they were staying with a friend or relation when she gave birth >unexpectedly..? I have found out who was living at 51 Moody Street at the >time of both the 1881 and 1891 Census, but I can see no connection with the >two different families who were living there. I have also found out who >was living at 56 Hall Lane at the time of the 1891 Census - again no >connection - but have not yet located this address on the 1881 Census. Is >there a quick way to check Census addresses when you don't know the >occupants' name, other than going through all the enumeration districts? > >What I wondered was, does anyone have access to any electoral registers or >trade directories for 1887 and would be able to check who was living at >these two addresses in 1887 please? > >My other request is to ask how I can access the parish registers for >Bowling, in case Thomas was baptised in the area, as I can find no record >of him having been baptised in Wolverhampton. > >Any help or suggestions will be most gratefully received. I am asking not >only on my own behalf but also on behalf of an American cousin who is a >direct descendant of Thomas and is anxious to find out all he can about him. > >Many thanks to anyone kind enough to take the time to help me over this >puzzle. > >Wendy Lewis > >

Janet Thanks for that.I've just received a birth cert of my Gt Grandfather's daughter and it shows she was born in 1870 at Croft St in the sub-district Bradford East, the only Croft St is off Wakefield Rd in what I believe is Bowling and on the 1871 census there address is Moody St which is just down the road from Croft St also her fathers address at the time of her birth is Norton Gate Horton. Now it's possible as this was their first child that the mother went home to have the baby, the mothers name was Susannah Mirfield (nee Townend) the fathers name was John Mirfield the only census they appear on is 1871.Susannah was born in Bradford c1850 fathers name John thats all I know about her.Your thoughts would be most appreciated. Bill Avoca Beach NSW

I am a new subscriber to this list, but wonder whether any kind person might be able to throw any light on a query I have encountered please? I have eventually, after a lot of searching as you can imagine, found the correct birth certificate for Thomas SMITH, the son of Edward SMITH and Ruth SMITH (nee RICKETTS). He was born on 12 February 1887 at 51 Moody Street, Bowling and yet his father, Edward SMITH, the informant, gives his address as 56 Hall Lane, Bowling on the certificate. The query is that Ruth RICKETTS, who was my great-grandmother's sister, spent all her life in the Wolverhampton area and all her other children were born there. She was back in Wolverhampton at the time of the 1891 Census. So why was Thomas born in Bradford? Maybe they were staying with a friend or relation when she gave birth unexpectedly..? I have found out who was living at 51 Moody Street at the time of both the 1881 and 1891 Census, but I can see no connection with the two different families who were living there. I have also found out who was living at 56 Hall Lane at the time of the 1891 Census - again no connection - but have not yet located this address on the 1881 Census. Is there a quick way to check Census addresses when you don't know the occupants' name, other than going through all the enumeration districts? What I wondered was, does anyone have access to any electoral registers or trade directories for 1887 and would be able to check who was living at these two addresses in 1887 please? My other request is to ask how I can access the parish registers for Bowling, in case Thomas was baptised in the area, as I can find no record of him having been baptised in Wolverhampton. Any help or suggestions will be most gratefully received. I am asking not only on my own behalf but also on behalf of an American cousin who is a direct descendant of Thomas and is anxious to find out all he can about him. Many thanks to anyone kind enough to take the time to help me over this puzzle. Wendy Lewis

The Parker Family were living at 56 Hall Lane, Bowling in 1881. William Parker 34 Mary Parker 34 Edwin Parker 6 Emma Parker 5mo Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4436; Folio: 85; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342060. Hope this helps, Denise V Wendy Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: I am a new subscriber to this list, but wonder whether any kind person might be able to throw any light on a query I have encountered please? I have eventually, after a lot of searching as you can imagine, found the correct birth certificate for Thomas SMITH, the son of Edward SMITH and Ruth SMITH (nee RICKETTS). He was born on 12 February 1887 at 51 Moody Street, Bowling and yet his father, Edward SMITH, the informant, gives his address as 56 Hall Lane, Bowling on the certificate. The query is that Ruth RICKETTS, who was my great-grandmother's sister, spent all her life in the Wolverhampton area and all her other children were born there. She was back in Wolverhampton at the time of the 1891 Census. So why was Thomas born in Bradford? Maybe they were staying with a friend or relation when she gave birth unexpectedly..? I have found out who was living at 51 Moody Street at the time of both the 1881 and 1891 Census, but I can see no connection with the two different families who were living there. I have also found out who was living at 56 Hall Lane at the time of the 1891 Census - again no connection - but have not yet located this address on the 1881 Census. Is there a quick way to check Census addresses when you don't know the occupants' name, other than going through all the enumeration districts? What I wondered was, does anyone have access to any electoral registers or trade directories for 1887 and would be able to check who was living at these two addresses in 1887 please? My other request is to ask how I can access the parish registers for Bowling, in case Thomas was baptised in the area, as I can find no record of him having been baptised in Wolverhampton. Any help or suggestions will be most gratefully received. I am asking not only on my own behalf but also on behalf of an American cousin who is a direct descendant of Thomas and is anxious to find out all he can about him. Many thanks to anyone kind enough to take the time to help me over this puzzle. Wendy Lewis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] BRADFORD EAST Hi Bill, can you give me a few ages & places of Birth see where born on your census. thanks Janet Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > Janet > Thanks for that.I've just received a birth cert of my Gt Grandfather's > daughter and it shows she was born in 1870 > at Croft St in the sub-district Bradford East, the only Croft St is off > Wakefield Rd in what I believe is > Bowling and on the 1871 census there address is Moody St which is just > down the road from Croft St > also her fathers address at the time of her birth is Norton Gate > Horton. Now it's possible as this was > their first child that the mother went home to have the baby, the > mothers name was Susannah Mirfield > (nee Townend) the fathers name was John Mirfield the only census they > appear on is 1871.Susannah > was born in Bradford c1850 fathers name John thats all I know about > her.Your thoughts would be most appreciated. > Bill > Avoca Beach > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 18065 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006

Hi Jackie We are related. Your Ellen Pemberton was my GGGrandfather Benjamin's sister Benjamin married Mary ?I think 1848.They had a son Francis born 1860 (my GGrandfather)Francis married (1882 Bradford) Mary Elizabeth May(born Ireland) They had a son Albert Bertie (my grandad)born 1887 Albert Bertie married (1910 Bradford)Martha Annie Sutcliffe(my grandma) born 1892 They had a daughter Sarah my mum (born1927 passed away 1967)married (1946) Ernest Rowland Trickett (born 1926 Chesterfield Derbyshire) Then me Barbara (born 1947 Bradford) Hope this helps,cant work out where we stand for family if I find out will let you know. Can I ask how old you are,Iam 59 Look forward to hearing from you soon Regards Barbara

Hi Listers Could some one tell me what area Bradford East covers. Bill Avoca Beach Nsw

Barbara, just in case there could be a link. I have a family in Bradford in 1880-1900 MEAYS father Harry MEAYS daughter Frances MEAYS George Hotel Market St Bradford.Any interest? Valerie

Hello Pete I do have a Thomas Rawnsley in my data base and may be related. I will check all information and get back to you. Regards David Rawnsley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Northing Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David & Lisa May I jump in on this RAWNSLEY question please. I have a Thomas Rawnsley as my 4 x Gt Grandfather. And am seeking any info. about him. I start with a marriage: 20.6.1820 PR/Mar At Bradford : George Leach otp Weaver and Sarah Rawnsley otp Spinster , by Banns Married by William Bishop, Curate. Both made their mark XX Witnessed by John Barker and Jonas Tasker who witnessed several marriages (Probably Parish Clerks) That Sarah Rawnsley was my 3rd Gt bGrandmother. She lived at Great Horton and died there 19 January 1853. Her father is beleived to have been Thomas RAWNSLEY because 7.8.1795 Per Bradford PR ? : Bap : Sarah D/o Thomas & Martha Raunsley, Great Horton ??? 7.8.1795 IGI As above : Batch K107655 : Source film 0990533 : Printout 6911014 I need to verify that I have the right Father; Thomas. And all the usual unknown questions. Am I in luck in that you are connected and know all about these people ????/ Ever optimistic. Pete Lisa Warnes wrote: >Hello David > >I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: >Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford >She married a William Duckett in 1874. >She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also >Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. >Would any of these have any connection with your line? > >Just wondering! > >Many regards, >Lisa Warnes > > > > >>From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 >> >>Hello John >> >>Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >>generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >>could be a good supplement >> >>Regards >>David Rawnsley >>Australia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >>Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >> >>Hi All >> >> >> >>I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >>history of Great Horton Industrial Society . >> >>According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >>co-op but no record has survived. >> >> >> >>The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >>noted, >>although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >>of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >>photographs of some of them. >> >> >> >>Regards John >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisa I do have a Hannah Rawnsley in my data base born about that time. I have little information on her but have about 500 people in the data base and many I am still verifying. If you wish to contact me off list at [email protected] we can discuss this further. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Warnes Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford She married a William Duckett in 1874. She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. Would any of these have any connection with your line? Just wondering! Many regards, Lisa Warnes >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 > >Hello John > >Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >could be a good supplement > >Regards >David Rawnsley >Australia > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Hi All > > > >I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >history of Great Horton Industrial Society . > >According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >co-op but no record has survived. > > > >The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >noted, >although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >photographs of some of them. > > > >Regards John > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message