Hello Maureen, I have 2 Elizabeth Ellen's and a Ellen Elizabeth and they were called Nell and Nellie. Helen WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureen farrer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Old Name > Hi Listers, > Could someone please tell me if the name Nellie could have been > called something else in the late 1800's ? > Thanks, > Maureen in Oz. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Could someone please tell me if the name Nellie could have been called something else in the late 1800's ? Thanks, Maureen in Oz.

Hi, My Gt. Aunt Nellie was actually christened Ellen Good Luck, Anna >From: maureen farrer <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Old Name >Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:22:24 +1000 > >Hi Listers, >Could someone please tell me if the name Nellie could have been >called something else in the late 1800's ? >Thanks, >Maureen in Oz. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen My great-aunt Nellie, was actually baptised Mary Ellen. Wendy At 09:22 08/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Listers, >Could someone please tell me if the name Nellie could have been >called something else in the late 1800's ? >Thanks, >Maureen in Oz. > >

Hi Maureen, You could try Ellen or Eleanor, my aunt was known as Nellie and she was Helen. Regards Joan C ----- Original Message ----- From: "maureen farrer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Old Name > Hi Listers, > Could someone please tell me if the name Nellie could have been > called something else in the late 1800's ? > Thanks, > Maureen in Oz. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Listers My mother was born in 1893. She was christened Ellen, but throughout her life, she was usually known as Nellie. Hope this helps Best regards to all Keith

Hello My husbands great great grandmother was Hannah Rawnsley born c 1788 Heaton, married Joshua Allen 26 December 1814 Bradford Parish Church, buried 09 May 1869 in Heaton Highgate cemetery. Parents unknown at this stage. Any connection to the other Rawnsleys. Rosemary Allen, Stroud,Australia

From: "Julie" <[email protected]> > Hello Roy, > > Would you be willing to list your top five favourite sites? Whenever > I see your name I always read your emails with the understanding that > I will often learn something new. Thanks for the Historical > Directories site. It's a wealth of information. > > Julie Kane The sites I use the most are not necessarily my favourite ones, however this is because these are the ones I need to use, inevitably, as a near- professional genealogist. I will have to list more than 5 but here are the Top 10 I use constantly, some of them umpteen times a day...... FamilySearch - http://www.familysearch.org/ FreeBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl 1837online - http://www.1837online.com/HomeServlet 1901 census - http://www.1901censusonline.com/ The National Archives - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ FamilyHistoryOnline - http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/ Digital Library of Historical Directories - http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ UKBMD - http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php Access to Archives - http://www.a2a.org.uk/ Genuki Yorkshire - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Here's my favourite site when I just want to browse, read some fascinating court cases from the Old Bailey and have fun... http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ You will note I don't list Ancestry! This is because I prefer to support British pay-per-view sites (like 1837online and FamilyHistoryOnline) whenever possible and I only use Ancestry occasionally by buying 10 one-off images from a census the others haven't yet got or I might use the indexes; however, I am trying very hard not to give them a year's subscription! As a heavy user of 1837online, I have a deal that allows me unlimited access to virtually all their records and I rarely need Ancestry. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks Charlotte Yes a copy of the certificate would be useful. I still have a long way to go with the Bradford Rawnsley's and any help I could get would be useful. Please send a copy of the certificate to [email protected] Regards David Rawnsley Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 2:26 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Rawnsleys Hello, All-- I just noticed the recent exchanges between David and Lisa about the Rawnsley family and wanted to offer my own very small connection to the Rawnsleys, hoping it might fill a gap in someone's research-- and perhaps lead so some clues for my own. One of the descendants of my Walker line in Bradford, Frank Cecil Walker (born in Bradford, 1888), married Seannah Ethel Rawnsley (born in Heaton, 1881), at the Parish Church in Manningham on 21 June 1920. I can't recall how I tracked down and affirmed their marriage, but I do have the certificate and would be glad to share a copy with anyone who could use it. It would be easy for someone to lose track of Seanna Ethel, because the 1891 census has her listed as "Leauah Ethel" (though if I look at the script it looks more like Leanah)-- and if I recall correctly I think she was also written down as a "Sarah" somewhere else. But her marriage certificate is pretty unmistakably "Seanah." From that certificate I saw that ! her father's name was John Rawnsley, and in the 1891 census, I find John Rawnsley, aged 54, with wife Elizabeth, age 56, and children Mary, Clara, Fred, Charlotte, and "Leauah." Would any of you who are working on the Rawnsley family happen to have any more information about Seanah Rawnsley and Frank Cecil Walker or their children and grandchildren? They are descendants of Frank Walker who was a brother of my great-grandfather, and was an organist and music teacher in Bradford, later Secretary of the Tradesmen's homes. Best wishes! (And I hope Frank and Seannah had a wonderful life together!) Charlotte, in upstate New York -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of [email protected] Sent: Sat 9/30/2006 3:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 Today's Topics: 1. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) 2. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) 3. BRADFORD EAST (Bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:42:30 +0930 From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lisa I do have a Hannah Rawnsley in my data base born about that time. I have little information on her but have about 500 people in the data base and many I am still verifying. If you wish to contact me off list at [email protected] we can discuss this further. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Warnes Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford She married a William Duckett in 1874. She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. Would any of these have any connection with your line? Just wondering! Many regards, Lisa Warnes >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 > >Hello John > >Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >could be a good supplement > >Regards >David Rawnsley >Australia > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Hi All > > > >I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >history of Great Horton Industrial Society . > >According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >co-op but no record has survived. > > > >The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >noted, >although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >photographs of some of them. > > > >Regards John > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:46:14 +0930 From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Pete I do have a Thomas Rawnsley in my data base and may be related. I will check all information and get back to you. Regards David Rawnsley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Northing Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op Hello David & Lisa May I jump in on this RAWNSLEY question please. I have a Thomas Rawnsley as my 4 x Gt Grandfather. And am seeking any info. about him. I start with a marriage: 20.6.1820 PR/Mar At Bradford : George Leach otp Weaver and Sarah Rawnsley otp Spinster , by Banns Married by William Bishop, Curate. Both made their mark XX Witnessed by John Barker and Jonas Tasker who witnessed several marriages (Probably Parish Clerks) That Sarah Rawnsley was my 3rd Gt bGrandmother. She lived at Great Horton and died there 19 January 1853. Her father is beleived to have been Thomas RAWNSLEY because 7.8.1795 Per Bradford PR ? : Bap : Sarah D/o Thomas & Martha Raunsley, Great Horton ??? 7.8.1795 IGI As above : Batch K107655 : Source film 0990533 : Printout 6911014 I need to verify that I have the right Father; Thomas. And all the usual unknown questions. Am I in luck in that you are connected and know all about these people ????/ Ever optimistic. Pete Lisa Warnes wrote: >Hello David > >I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: >Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford >She married a William Duckett in 1874. >She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also >Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. >Would any of these have any connection with your line? > >Just wondering! > >Many regards, >Lisa Warnes > > > > >>From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 >> >>Hello John >> >>Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many >>generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this >>could be a good supplement >> >>Regards >>David Rawnsley >>Australia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson >>Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >> >>Hi All >> >> >> >>I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the >>history of Great Horton Industrial Society . >> >>According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the Rochdale >>co-op but no record has survived. >> >> >> >>The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners >>noted, >>although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The names >>of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 >>photographs of some of them. >> >> >> >>Regards John >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:52:28 +1000 From: Bill <[email protected]m> Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] BRADFORD EAST To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Listers Could some one tell me what area Bradford East covers. 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Does anyone have any information on a mill owned by the BENSON's possibly back in the mid to late 1800's. I am unsure of what type of mill it was but I believe it was located in Raistrick, Brighouse which is just outside of Bradford West. I believe there may be a family link here so very interested in any information. Kind regards Sandra (Australia)

Hullo all, I have an Edward FIRTH b. Wentworth 1854 but lived in Bradford from 1880s at least. In Bradford ere he married Emma HALEY. They had 3 sons born in 1880s who died very young and are buried in Undercliffe and a daughter Mary Emma who lived until 1933. maybe they had other children. Does this link with anyone's info? Alison

Hello, Probably no connection at all, but during WW2, my mother worked at a mill 'Benson & Turner` which was in Great Horton on what is now called Old Corn Mill Lane - close to the railway track about a quarter mile beyond Great Horton Station, heading towards Clayton. George George --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > From: "Sue Rylands" <[email protected]> > > > I have just had 3 lovely clear photos sent to me of Ellen > > CHARLESWORTH born 1852 Bowling who married Richard WADDINGTON born > > 1839 Buttershaw. > > > > The photograhers name was J. Exley of Great Horton, also of Shipley. > > > > Can anyone help me date these please? > > > > Many thanks, > > Sue < > > Try searching the website of online directories run by Leicester > University at:- http://www.historicaldirectories.org/> Further to my previous message, the experienced ones among you will already know of this excellent website. However, newcomers may not be so familiar with it, so I thought I would bring it to your attention. It is very valuable for tracing ancestors who may have been prominent citizens in their particular town or village or especially tradesmen, businessmen and such like. Of course, many female traders appeared in the pages of these directories as well. You can search by location, decade or keywords and you will find a number of social, court and trade directories for Bradford from the 1850s through to 1912. If you find an ancestor in a directory you will then have an address, which then helps you with further searches in the censuses. I have it as one of my top "favourites" sites and use it constantly. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Sue Rylands" <[email protected]> > I have just had 3 lovely clear photos sent to me of Ellen CHARLESWORTH > born 1852 Bowling who married Richard WADDINGTON born 1839 Buttershaw. > > The photograhers name was J. Exley of Great Horton, also of Shipley. > > Can anyone help me date these please? > > Many thanks, > Sue < Try searching the website of online directories run by Leicester University at:- http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ This shows that JAMES EXLEY, photographer, did not appear in a Bradford directory for 1870, but he appears in the Post Office Directory for Bradford 1879-80 at 87 Kingswood Street, Great Horton. Although those are the only two directories covered for that period, we can probably assume he started his business some time in the 1870s. In the Bradford Post Office Directory 1883 he was at 100 Beldon Rd, Great Horton. In the PO Directory for 1891 there suddenly appears a JOHN WILLIAM EXLEY, photographer, at 58 Thompson Street, Shipley, who was very likely James's son. James himself in 1891 had his premises at 294 Southfield Lane, Great Horton. If your photo shows the photographer as J Exley of Great Horton and Shipley, it could presumably have been taken by either of them. However, since John William Exley does not appear in a directory until 1891, the likelihood seems the photo was probably taken sometime around that date or after. In fact, consulting the 1881 census for Bradford reveals that John William Exley WAS James's son and in 1881 he was only 12 years old. Thus, it seems a date of post-1890 seems about right. According to FreeBMD, John William Exley married at Bradford in the March quarter of 1890, so he very likely set up in business for himself then. However, possibly he and his father operated the business jointly from both addresses. If you enter James Exley+photographer+Bradford into Google you will find some of his cartes de visites from when he was at Southfield Lane. If you want to date the photos more precisely, there are quite a few photographic and fashion historians around who can do this from the clothes and background etc. The family history magazines do this sort of feature regularly. The one I write for, Practical Family History, has a woman who is expert in this sort of thing. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

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I have just had 3 lovely clear photos sent to me of Ellen CHARLESWORTH born 1852 Bowling who married Richard WADDINGTON born 1839 Buttershaw. The photograhers name was J. Exley of Great Horton, also of Shipley. Can anyone help me date these please? Many thanks, Sue

Hello Roy, Would you be willing to list your top five favourite sites? Whenever I see your name I always read your emails with the understanding that I will often learn something new. Thanks for the Historical Directories site. It's a wealth of information. Julie Kane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Dating photos and photographers. > From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > >> From: "Sue Rylands" <[email protected]> >> >> > I have just had 3 lovely clear photos sent to me of Ellen >> > CHARLESWORTH born 1852 Bowling who married Richard WADDINGTON born >> > 1839 Buttershaw. >> > >> > The photograhers name was J. Exley of Great Horton, also of Shipley. >> > >> > Can anyone help me date these please? >> > >> > Many thanks, >> > Sue < >> >> Try searching the website of online directories run by Leicester >> University at:- http://www.historicaldirectories.org/> > > Further to my previous message, the experienced ones among you will > already know of this excellent website. However, newcomers may not be > so familiar with it, so I thought I would bring it to your attention. > > It is very valuable for tracing ancestors who may have been prominent > citizens in their particular town or village or especially tradesmen, > businessmen and such like. Of course, many female traders appeared in > the pages of these directories as well. You can search by location, > decade or keywords and you will find a number of social, court and trade > directories for Bradford from the 1850s through to 1912. > > If you find an ancestor in a directory you will then have an address, > which > then helps you with further searches in the censuses. I have it as one of > my top "favourites" sites and use it constantly. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006 > >

Hello Janet and Rachel, I have an interest in the FIRTH research in WRY and New Zealand. The data listed below may contain errors and should only be used to assist research. Descendants of Rachel Firth Generation No. 1 1. RACHEL1 FIRTH was born in Bierley, Yorks, and died January 27, 1808 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. She married JAMES BATEMAN February 03, 1801 in Birstall, Yorks., son of JOHN BATEMAN and TAMAR BUTTERWORTH. He was born Abt. 1756, and died March 21, 1833 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. Children of RACHEL FIRTH and JAMES BATEMAN are: 2. i. (REV) BENJAMIN2 FIRTH, b. October 06, 1796, East Bierley, Yorks.; d. May 20, 1853. ii. JOSEPH FIRTH, b. October 06, 1796, East Bierley, Yorks.. 3. iii. MARY BATEMAN, b. January 16, 1802, Independent Or Congregational, Cleckheaton, Yorks, Eng.; d. May 11, 1853, Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. 4. iv. JONAS BATEMAN, b. February 10, 1803, Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.; d. Abt. June 1854, Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. Generation No. 2 2. (REV) BENJAMIN2 FIRTH (RACHEL1) was born October 06, 1796 in East Bierley, Yorks., and died May 20, 1853. He married MARY BATEMAN January 1826, daughter of DANIEL BATEMAN and PATIENCE WILKINSON. She was born Abt. January 1804 in Park House, Oakenshaw., and died Abt. 1834. Children of (REV) FIRTH and MARY BATEMAN are: 5. i. SOPHIA3 FIRTH, d. 1910. ii. JOSEPH CLIFTON FIRTH, b. Abt. 1826. 3. MARY2 BATEMAN (RACHEL1 FIRTH) was born January 16, 1802 in Independent Or Congregational, Cleckheaton, Yorks, Eng., and died May 11, 1853 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. She married THOMAS WILSON. He was born Abt. 1798, and died November 16, 1871 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. Children of MARY BATEMAN and THOMAS WILSON are: i. RACHEL3 WILSON. ii. JAMES WILSON. iii. WILLIAM WILSON. iv. MARIA WILSON. v. THOMAS WILSON. vi. ELIZA WILSON. 4. JONAS2 BATEMAN (RACHEL1 FIRTH) was born February 10, 1803 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks., and died Abt. June 1854 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. He married MARIA BATEMAN June 30, 1830, daughter of DANIEL BATEMAN and PATIENCE WILKINSON. She was born Abt. March 1806, and died April 01, 1837 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.. Children of JONAS BATEMAN and MARIA BATEMAN are: i. JAMES3 BATEMAN. 6. ii. SARAH BATEMAN, b. July 02, 1831, Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks.; d. June 14, 1891, Westfield House, Wyke.. iii. EMMA BATEMAN, b. Abt. 1833. iv. DANIEL BATEMAN, b. Abt. March 1837. Generation No. 3 5. SOPHIA3 FIRTH ((REV) BENJAMIN2, RACHEL1) died 1910. She married DANIEL BATEMAN THORNTON, son of JAMES THORNTON and REBECCA BATEMAN. He was born Abt. 1825. Children of SOPHIA FIRTH and DANIEL THORNTON are: i. BATEMAN4 THORNTON, b. 1856. ii. GERTRUDE THORNTON, b. 1869. 6. SARAH3 BATEMAN (JONAS2, RACHEL1 FIRTH) was born July 02, 1831 in Oakenshaw, par. Birstall, Yorks., and died June 14, 1891 in Westfield House, Wyke.. She married JONAS BRIGGS March 22, 1853, son of JOHN BRIGGS and SARAH BATEMAN. He was born July 29, 1821 in Wyke, Bradford, Yorks., and died May 25, 1891 in Westfield House, Wyke.. Children of SARAH BATEMAN and JONAS BRIGGS are: i. FREDERICK WILLIAM4 BRIGGS. ii. THOMAS BATEMAN BRIGGS. iii. CHARLES HENRY BRIGGS, b. November 17, 1854. iv. LUCY BRIGGS, b. Abt. 1856. v. MARY ALICE BRIGGS, b. Abt. 1857. vi. ALFRED BRIGGS, b. Abt. 1859. vii. JAMES BATEMAN BRIGGS, b. October 18, 1861. viii. SARAH HELEN (NELLIE) BRIGGS, b. Abt. 1863. ix. EDITH MARIA BRIGGS, b. Abt. January 1867. x. FRANCES G. BRIGGS, b. Abt. 1869. Descendants of Jeremiah Firth Generation No. 1 1. JEREMIAH1 FIRTH was born Abt. 1848 in Liversedge, Nr Cleckheaton, Yorks., and died January 03, 1922 in Scholes, aged 74.. He married ASENATH SELLERS, daughter of SAMUEL SELLERS and ANN GIBSON. She was born April 29, 1848 in Scholes, par.Birstall, Yorks., and died June 03, 1915 in Industrial St., Scholes. Children of JEREMIAH FIRTH and ASENATH SELLERS are: i. JOHN2 FIRTH. 2. ii. SELLERS FIRTH, b. November 02, 1869; d. April 17, 1918, Industrial St., Scholes. iii. AMY FIRTH, b. September 11, 1872. 3. iv. SARAH ALICE FIRTH, b. December 03, 1874. v. SAM FIRTH, b. Abt. 1877. vi. FANNY FIRTH, b. Abt. 1879, Scholes, par.Birstall, Yorks; m. WALTER BURNISTON, July 31, 1909, Scholes, par.Birstall, Yorks; b. Abt. 1879. Generation No. 2 2. SELLERS2 FIRTH (JEREMIAH1) was born November 02, 1869, and died April 17, 1918 in Industrial St., Scholes. He married EMILY LAVINIA Abt. 1898. Children of SELLERS FIRTH and EMILY LAVINIA are: i. AMY3 FIRTH, m. CLIFFORD BLAMIRES, February 05, 1928, Friends Meeting House, Hartshead Moor.; b. Cleckheaton, Yorks.; d. September 17, 1970, Whitehall Road, Scholes, Cleckheaton. ii. WINNIE FIRTH. iii. BLANCHE FIRTH, b. October 20, 1898. iv. OLIVE FIRTH, b. Abt. 1899. 3. SARAH ALICE2 FIRTH (JEREMIAH1) was born December 03, 1874. She married ROBERT NAYLOR February 21, 1894 in Scholes.. He was born June 03, 1874 in Scholes, par.Birstall, Yorks. Children of SARAH FIRTH and ROBERT NAYLOR are: i. ELEANOR3 NAYLOR, b. June 27, 1895. ii. EDITH NAYLOR, b. April 21, 1900. Let me know if we can exchange data. Kind regards Don Reynold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] FW: Seeking FIRTHS > yes I think it does, although there seems to be only one Firth listed from > there:- > John FIRTH, son of Joseph, Labourer of Bolling, 10 Jun 1780 > > Let me know if you would like scans of the pages anyway, it's no trouble. > > Janet C > >>From: Rachel Firth <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] FW: Seeking FIRTHS >>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:05:49 +0100 >> >>Does that cover Bowling, Janet? >> >>Rachel >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Janet C [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: 28 September 2006 11:49 >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Seeking FIRTHS >> >>I have the Bradford FHS Indexes to Burials at Bradford Parish Church >>1681-1837 (surnames A-G only) - there are lots of Firths, so if you ever >>need info from this earlier period, please let me know. >>Janet C >> >> >From: "Gavin and Pauline Yates" <[email protected]> >> >Reply-To: [email protected] >> >To: <[email protected]> >> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Seeking FIRTHS >> >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:54:49 +1200 >> > >> >The story so far --- >> > >> >John Firth b Cross Flatts 1817 d Bradford 1893 m Mary Atkinson (1815-81) >>in >> >> >Bradford 1838. (Later m Eliza Clough (1828-?) in Bradford 1882) >> > >> >Their five children were: >> >1 George Henry Firth (1838-1889) m Elizabeth Talbot 1861; >> >2 Sarah Hannah Firth (1840-?) m George Poulter in 1866; >> >3 Martha Elizabeth Firth (1843-1923 in NZ) m John Atkinson Walker 1865; >> >4 Robert Atkinson Firth (1845-1896) m Margaret Kellett 1870; >> >5 Emma Grace Firth (1850-1868) >> > >> >The seven children of George Henry and Elizabeth Talbot Firth were: >> >1 Mary Emily (1862-?) m George Stevenson Stanley 1889 (A daughter >>Dorothy >> >Edia Stanley b 1892) >> >2 Sarah Ann (Hannah) Firth (1864-?) m Frederick William Beeston 1888 (A >> >son George F Beeston b 1890) >> >3 Maria Firth (1866-?) m Walter White 1891 >> >4 Emma Grace Firth (1870-?) m John Robert Wood 1896 (A daughter Mabel >>Wood >> >> >b 1896 Leeds) >> >5 Martha Elizabeth Firth (1871-?) m Lewis Arthur Rhodes 1893. (Their >> >children William A Rhodes b 1894; Mabel Rhodes b 1896; Annie Rhodes b >>1898) >> >6 Florence Firth (1874-?) >> >7 Harry T Firth (1875-?) m Mary Emma Hayton 1893 >> > >> >The nine children of Robert Atkinson and Margaret Kellett Firth were: >> >1 Mary Kellett Firth (1866-?) >> >2 John Kellett Firth (1871-?) m Sarah Ann Gibbard 1893 (Their children >> >Lily Firth b 1882; John Robert Firth b 1897) >> >3 Joseph Firth (1874-?) m Susannah Blamires 1899 (Their daughter Doris >> >Firth b 1900) >> >4 Margaret Firth (1876-?) >> >5 Emma Grace Firth (1878-?) >> >6 Sarah Elizabeth Firth (1880-?) >> >7 Clara Firth (1884-?) >> >8 Tom Firth (1886-?) >> >9 Ethel Firth (1893-?) >> > >> >Unless otherwise stated all events took place in Bradford >> > >> >Any information or connection regarding any or all of these Firths would >>be >> >> >most welcome and gratefully received. >> > >> >John and Elizabeth Firth were my Grandfather's Uncle and Aunt (My >> >GreatGrandfather's eldest brother and wife) >> > >> >Gavin Harrison Yates in Christchurch, New Zealand. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >without >> >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charlotte! The closest info I have is a John Forrest Rawnsley b 1845 in Mannington. I'll try to keep you in mind if I run across any other info on this line that may connect with you! Thank you! Lisa >From: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] Rawnsleys >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:55:40 -0400 > > >Hello, All-- I just noticed the recent exchanges between David and Lisa >about the Rawnsley family and wanted to offer my own very small connection >to the Rawnsleys, hoping it might fill a gap in someone's research-- and >perhaps lead so some clues for my own. One of the descendants of my Walker >line in Bradford, Frank Cecil Walker (born in Bradford, 1888), married >Seannah Ethel Rawnsley (born in Heaton, 1881), at the Parish Church in >Manningham on 21 June 1920. I can't recall how I tracked down and affirmed >their marriage, but I do have the certificate and would be glad to share a >copy with anyone who could use it. It would be easy for someone to lose >track of Seanna Ethel, because the 1891 census has her listed as "Leauah >Ethel" (though if I look at the script it looks more like Leanah)-- and if >I recall correctly I think she was also written down as a "Sarah" somewhere >else. But her marriage certificate is pretty unmistakably "Seanah." From >that certificate I saw that ! > her father's name was John Rawnsley, and in the 1891 census, I find John >Rawnsley, aged 54, with wife Elizabeth, age 56, and children Mary, Clara, >Fred, Charlotte, and "Leauah." Would any of you who are working on the >Rawnsley family happen to have any more information about Seanah Rawnsley >and Frank Cecil Walker or their children and grandchildren? They are >descendants of Frank Walker who was a brother of my great-grandfather, and >was an organist and music teacher in Bradford, later Secretary of the >Tradesmen's homes. Best wishes! (And I hope Frank and Seannah had a >wonderful life together!) Charlotte, in upstate New York > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] on behalf of >[email protected] >Sent: Sat 9/30/2006 3:18 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) > 2. Re: [BFD] Great Horton Co-op (David Rawnsley) > 3. BRADFORD EAST (Bill) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:42:30 +0930 >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Lisa > >I do have a Hannah Rawnsley in my data base born about that time. I have >little information on her but have about 500 people in the data base and >many I am still verifying. If you wish to contact me off list at >[email protected] we can discuss this further. > >Regards > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Warnes >Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:06 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Hello David > >I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: >Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford >She married a William Duckett in 1874. >She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also >Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. >Would any of these have any connection with your line? > >Just wondering! > >Many regards, >Lisa Warnes > > > >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 > > > >Hello John > > > >Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for many > >generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this > >could be a good supplement > > > >Regards > >David Rawnsley > >Australia > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.S.Wilkinson > >Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > > > >Hi All > > > > > > > >I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of the > >history of Great Horton Industrial Society . > > > >According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the >Rochdale > >co-op but no record has survived. > > > > > > > >The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners > >noted, > >although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The >names > >of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 > >photographs of some of them. > > > > > > > >Regards John > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: >22/09/2006 > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:46:14 +0930 >From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hello Pete > >I do have a Thomas Rawnsley in my data base and may be related. I will >check all information and get back to you. > >Regards >David Rawnsley > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Northing >Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:41 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >Hello David & Lisa >May I jump in on this RAWNSLEY question please. > >I have a Thomas Rawnsley as my 4 x Gt Grandfather. And am seeking any >info. about him. > >I start with a marriage: >20.6.1820 PR/Mar At Bradford : George Leach otp Weaver and Sarah >Rawnsley otp Spinster , by Banns > Married by William Bishop, Curate. >Both made their mark XX > Witnessed by John Barker and Jonas >Tasker who witnessed several marriages (Probably Parish Clerks) >That Sarah Rawnsley was my 3rd Gt bGrandmother. >She lived at Great Horton and died there 19 January 1853. > >Her father is beleived to have been Thomas RAWNSLEY because >7.8.1795 Per Bradford PR ? : Bap : Sarah D/o Thomas & Martha >Raunsley, Great Horton ??? >7.8.1795 IGI As above : Batch K107655 : Source film 0990533 : >Printout 6911014 > >I need to verify that I have the right Father; Thomas. And all the usual >unknown questions. > >Am I in luck in that you are connected and know all about these people >????/ > >Ever optimistic. > >Pete > >Lisa Warnes wrote: > > >Hello David > > > >I noticed you are a Rawnsley. I have connections to: > >Hannah Rawnsley b 1834 apprx. in Mannington, Bradford > >She married a William Duckett in 1874. > >She was the daughter of James Rawnsley b 1811 in Mannington also > >Whe was married to a Maryann (?) at abt 1836 in Bradford. > >Would any of these have any connection with your line? > > > >Just wondering! > > > >Many regards, > >Lisa Warnes > > > > > > > > > >>From: "David Rawnsley" <[email protected]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:32:00 +0930 > >> > >>Hello John > >> > >>Do you have any details on the book as my family lived in Horton for >many > >>generations? I have purchased one called "Ramble Round Horton" but this > >>could be a good supplement > >> > >>Regards > >>David Rawnsley > >>Australia > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >J.S.Wilkinson > >>Sent: Friday, 29 September 2006 7:29 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] [BFD] Great Horton Co-op > >> > >>Hi All > >> > >> > >> > >>I have come across a book written in 1909 about the first 50 years of >the > >>history of Great Horton Industrial Society . > >> > >>According to the book, a co-operative in Great Horton predates the >Rochdale > >>co-op but no record has survived. > >> > >> > >> > >>The book contains a map dated 1827, with the names of the land owners > >>noted, > >>although I have yet to align the map with the current roads etc. The >names > >>of the Committee members are also listed for the 50 years, along with 37 > >>photographs of some of them. > >> > >> > >> > >>Regards John > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: >22/09/2006 > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:52:28 +1000 >From: Bill <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-YKS-BRADFORD] BRADFORD EAST >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi Listers >Could some one tell me what area Bradford East covers. > Bill > Avoca Beach > Nsw > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the ENG-YKS-BRADFORD list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the ENG-YKS-BRADFORD mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of ENG-YKS-BRADFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 >*********************************************** > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Generallv speaking. the dwellings of the people were of a mean description, consisting of one story and one room for which a rental of from 30s to 40s a year was paid. The furniture usually consisted of a pair of looms, a bobbin wheel, a half-headed turn-up bedstead (the bed itself being made of chaff), a round table standing on three legs. a few turned, unpainted chairs, an old chest, and a cradle. Very few indeed were possessed of a clock, or even a chest of drawers, and, as the capacity of the cottage precluded I the possibility of a second bedstead. it not unfrequently happened that the master of the house had two of his olive branches at his head and two at his feet while endevouring to seek repose after the labours of the day. Nor were the good old times much to boast about in respect to food and living. The former was of the meanest description,. consisting of oatmeal porridge and milk for breakfast; for dinner, potatoes and a bit of bacon fried together. with a piece of oat or “haver” cake dipped in the fat for a relish. An ounce of tea, which cost sixpence, served for a week. and if that failed, mint and herbs were called into requisition. Butter was only present on the table on Sundays. Flour and wheat bread were luxuries seen only on special occasions. This is not to be wondered at when flour cost seven shillings a stone. Later when mills were erected to meet the changes in the process of manufacture, the lot of the workers did not materially improve. The days were of long wearying toil, for wages that scarcely sufficed for a mere’ existence on the most common and cheapest fare. Factory Acts and State legislation were unknown. and the mills worked any length of time that the masters chose; there was no limitation of the working hours. It was no unusual thing to commence at five o’clock in the morning and go on until eight at night or longer. Hours of child labour were unrestricted. and children were sent to the mill when between five and six years of age, working sixteen or seventeen hours a day. Terrible are the tale’s of cruelty and oppression told of these black times, which form a blot on the history of our nation that can never he effaced. Quoting from De Gibbins “Industrial History,” he says Children were often worked sixteen hours a day, by day and night; even Sunday was used as a convenient time to clean the machinery. In stench, in heated rooms, amidst the constant whirling of a thousand wheels, little fingers and little feet were kept in ceaseless action, forced into unnatural activity by blows from the heavy hands and feet of the merciless overlooker, and the infliction of bodily pain by instruments of punishment invented by the ingenuity of unsatiable selfishness. They were fed upon the coarsest and cheapest food, often with the same as that served out to the pigs of their masters. They slept by turns, and in relays, in filthy beds which were never cool, for one set of children were sent to sleep in them as soon as the others had gone off to their daily or nightly toil. Many died and were buried secretly at night in some desolate spot, lest people should notice the’ number of graves and many committed suicide. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006