Valerie Please would it be possible for you to add me to your list for copies of information on living conditions on Bradford East - my DRAKE family lived in that area. Regards Martin Critchley Worsley Lancashire On 3 Oct 2007 at 9:46, Valerie Gilbert wrote: > Norman > Perhaps our families were near neighbours. What name were you looking > for? Finding the first members of my CREEDON family who came from > Ireland before 1840 made me investigate living conditions. Horrific, I > wondered how any of the babies survived at all. I have some notes on > the cramped unhealthy state of the area and can transcribe some > relevant parts if anyone is interested. There was a lot more in York > library where I went and of course a great deal in Bradford archives > at the Library. 5 of 8 children in my family died young ,as was > common. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norman Perhaps our families were near neighbours. What name were you looking for? Finding the first members of my CREEDON family who came from Ireland before 1840 made me investigate living conditions. Horrific, I wondered how any of the babies survived at all. I have some notes on the cramped unhealthy state of the area and can transcribe some relevant parts if anyone is interested. There was a lot more in York library where I went and of course a great deal in Bradford archives at the Library. 5 of 8 children in my family died young ,as was common. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valerie I would be very grateful if you could add me to your list for copies of info on Bradford East - incidentally my families are PHELPS, DEWHIRST, PARKINSON, DAWSON, FOSTER, HALEY, HARTLEY, BARRACLOUGH, NEWISS, WARD, THIRKEL, WITTON, MOORHOUSE and GREAVES - delighted to hear from anyone with similar interests Thanks very much for your help Best Regards Geoff in Sevilla > From: gilbert.valerie@btinternet.com> To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:46:41 +0100> Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford East 1851 conditions> > Norman> Perhaps our families were near neighbours. What name were you looking for?> Finding the first members of my CREEDON family who came from Ireland before> 1840 made me investigate living conditions. Horrific, I wondered how any of> the babies survived at all. I have some notes on the cramped unhealthy state> of the area and can transcribe some relevant parts if anyone is interested.> There was a lot more in York library where I went and of course a great deal> in Bradford archives at the Library. 5 of 8 children in my family died young> ,as was common.> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Gallop" <ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> To: "BRADFORD List" <ENG-YKS-BRADFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford East 1851 Hi Norman, part of it is behind Bradford Cathedaral, Stott Hill. Hope this Helps. Janet Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > Can anybody delineate for me the Bradford East ward in 1851? I have a > modern Bradford A-Z for reference. > > Thanks NRG. > > p.s. If anyone is interested in M(I/E)LLOR in that area at that time > please let me know. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - Release Date: > 30/09/2007 21:01 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 62313 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Can anybody delineate for me the Bradford East ward in 1851? I have a modern Bradford A-Z for reference. Thanks NRG. p.s. If anyone is interested in M(I/E)LLOR in that area at that time please let me know.

I've been looking at this stuff for years - and had no idea - thank-you so much for sharing... Alix J. Ambler -----Original Message----- From: eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-yks-bradford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Adam's Mom Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:40 AM To: eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford East 1851 Hi Norman, If you already know this, I apologize, but I hope it will be useful for someone learning to navigate on the site. If you are on Ancestry, go to the image you think you want and, while on the image page, there are links at the top for Bradford, West End or East End. If you click on the link for Bradford East End, there is a list of links for each district with the actual census pages, followed by "view description of enumeration district," images of the census takers handwritten description of the streets or other boundaries for that district. The list for the East End includes Districts 4-48, West End, Districts 1-34. If you click on a specific district, ie. District 6, it take you to page one for that district and you click on the to turn the pages for the . If you simply click on Bradford, it lists links for Bowling, Bradford East End, Bradford West End and Keighley. I don't know that I can link to these pages on the list because it is a pay site, but if you cannot find it from this description, let me know and I'll look for a different approach. I am always learning as I go and look for every possible path, and hope this helps. In peace MaryAnn On 10/1/07, Norman Gallop <ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Can anybody delineate for me the Bradford East ward in 1851? I have a modern Bradford A-Z for reference. > > Thanks NRG. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Norman, If you already know this, I apologize, but I hope it will be useful for someone learning to navigate on the site. If you are on Ancestry, go to the image you think you want and, while on the image page, there are links at the top for Bradford, West End or East End. If you click on the link for Bradford East End, there is a list of links for each district with the actual census pages, followed by "view description of enumeration district," images of the census takers handwritten description of the streets or other boundaries for that district. The list for the East End includes Districts 4-48, West End, Districts 1-34. If you click on a specific district, ie. District 6, it take you to page one for that district and you click on the to turn the pages for the . If you simply click on Bradford, it lists links for Bowling, Bradford East End, Bradford West End and Keighley. I don't know that I can link to these pages on the list because it is a pay site, but if you cannot find it from this description, let me know and I'll look for a different approach. I am always learning as I go and look for every possible path, and hope this helps. In peace MaryAnn On 10/1/07, Norman Gallop <ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Can anybody delineate for me the Bradford East ward in 1851? I have a modern Bradford A-Z for reference. > > Thanks NRG.

I'm not sure who posted a couple of emails recently on BUSFEILD and FERRAND. I have a couple of minor references from FERRAND to the SKIRROW side of my tree in Bingley in the 1700s, when they were tenant farmers. I also have one unexplained snippet from the Calverley Info site, which tells me that: William Womersley BUSFIELD (sic), born on 07 Dec 1839, was baptised in Calverley Parish Church on 21 June 1840, and was the son of Esther, of Rodley, Spinster (No father's name given.) If any BUSFIELD or BUSFEILD researcher could give me any more information about William Womersley, or let me know if you have any references to SKIRROW or WOMERSLEY, I would be grateful. Thank you. Stephen Smith Researching SKIRROW, SMITH, WOMERSLEY in Bradford and Bingley c 1800

Hi Lisa Bingley isn't included in the NBI, so unfortunately that doesn't help. However, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "parish church record". If you mean the parish registers, then they are the primary record of the burial, and if you've already seen those (either the originals or a film version), the NBI wouldn't tell you anything extra. You might possibly find something in the Bishops' Transcripts, which are at the Borthwick Institute in York; these are supposed to be an exact copy of the registers, but occasionally they differ slightly. Have you found all John's children in the 1841 census? If their mother was still alive, it's possible that she was living with one of them. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Warnes" <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> To: "Bradford mailing List" <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] National Burial Index Look-up Please > > If anyone has access to the National Burial Index on CD's, I would be > grateful for a look-up. > I'm trying to find information on John Duckitt born 1761 (place unknown), > and died 1834 in Bingley. His burial is listed on the parish church > record. (He was a labourer and father of 10+ children.) > > He or spouse are NOT listed on Arthur Blackburn's list of Monumental > Inscriptions. > > I am hoping information to find information on his spouse also- currently > I have found nothing. The Duckitt name in Bingley is uncommon. > > Thank you in advance!! > > Lisa Warnes > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Warnes" <lisawarnes@hotmail.com> To: "Bradford mailing List" <eng-yks-bradford-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] National Burial Index Look-up Please Hi Lisa, the only John son of Thomas Duckett, Inn Keeper of Bradford buried 26 Jan 1782. I have the original transcription of what went on to the National Burial Index. I think transcription went to 1837. sorry Regards Janet Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > > If anyone has access to the National Burial Index on CD's, I would be > grateful for a look-up. > I'm trying to find information on John Duckitt born 1761 (place unknown), > and died 1834 in Bingley. His burial is listed on the parish church > record. (He was a labourer and father of 10+ children.) > > I am hoping information to find information on his spouse also- currently > I have found nothing. The Duckitt name in Bingley is uncommon. > > Thank you in advance!! > > Lisa Warnes > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > 27/09/2007 17:00 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 61923 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

If anyone has access to the National Burial Index on CD's, I would be grateful for a look-up. I'm trying to find information on John Duckitt born 1761 (place unknown), and died 1834 in Bingley. His burial is listed on the parish church record. (He was a labourer and father of 10+ children.) He or spouse are NOT listed on Arthur Blackburn's list of Monumental Inscriptions. I am hoping information to find information on his spouse also- currently I have found nothing. The Duckitt name in Bingley is uncommon. Thank you in advance!! Lisa Warnes _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us

If anyone has access to the National Burial Index on CD's, I would be grateful for a look-up. I'm trying to find information on John Duckitt born 1761 (place unknown), and died 1834 in Bingley. His burial is listed on the parish church record. (He was a labourer and father of 10+ children.) I am hoping information to find information on his spouse also- currently I have found nothing. The Duckitt name in Bingley is uncommon. Thank you in advance!! Lisa Warnes _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

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Hi John The date is a year out because I had to put a new ink cartridge in my printer which was out of date. The printer is an HP which won't work if the cartridge is out of date therefore by altering the year on my computer the ink was tricked into working. After it has been working for a few days the date can be corrected and the cartridge wiorks fine. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Green" <john@term.nl> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Workhouse > Hi Judith, > > Looks like your system clock is out by more than a year.... > > HTH > > John Green > > Judith Kettlewell wrote: >> Hello Trevor >> >> The Bradford Workhouse Records are kept at the Bradford Archives Office >> on >> microfilm. >> >> You can contact them by email, telephone or by writing. Email is the best >> and the quickest. Below are the details of contact:- >> >> West Yorkshire Archive Service Bradford, >> Bradford Central Library, Prince's Way, Bradford, BD1 1NN >> >> Telephone (01274) 435099 >> E-Mail bradford@wyjs.org.uk >> >> >> Hope this helps and good luck in your search. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Judith K >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> >> To: "Bradford Rootsweb List" <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:14 AM >> Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Workhouse >> >> >> >>> I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the >>> Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, >>> to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the Workhouse >>> which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to enquire >>> about any such records/ >>> >>> Would be grateful for any pointers >>> >>> Trevor >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much, Judith. Just the ticket! I have also come into possession of two ambroprints which are almost certainly my Bradford forebears pre-1865, one of whom, it seems, ended his life in the Workhouse, and his widow in the West Riding Asylum! Trevor Judith Kettlewell wrote: > Hello Trevor > > The Bradford Workhouse Records are kept at the Bradford Archives Office on > microfilm. > > You can contact them by email, telephone or by writing. Email is the best > and the quickest. Below are the details of contact:- > > West Yorkshire Archive Service Bradford, > Bradford Central Library, Prince's Way, Bradford, BD1 1NN > > Telephone (01274) 435099 > E-Mail bradford@wyjs.org.uk > > > Hope this helps and good luck in your search. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > To: "Bradford Rootsweb List" <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:14 AM > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Workhouse > > >> I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the >> Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, >> to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the Workhouse >> which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to enquire >> about any such records/ >> >> Would be grateful for any pointers >> >> Trevor >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Judith, Looks like your system clock is out by more than a year.... HTH John Green Judith Kettlewell wrote: > Hello Trevor > > The Bradford Workhouse Records are kept at the Bradford Archives Office on > microfilm. > > You can contact them by email, telephone or by writing. Email is the best > and the quickest. Below are the details of contact:- > > West Yorkshire Archive Service Bradford, > Bradford Central Library, Prince's Way, Bradford, BD1 1NN > > Telephone (01274) 435099 > E-Mail bradford@wyjs.org.uk > > > Hope this helps and good luck in your search. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > To: "Bradford Rootsweb List" <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:14 AM > Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Workhouse > > > >> I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the >> Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, >> to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the Workhouse >> which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to enquire >> about any such records/ >> >> Would be grateful for any pointers >> >> Trevor >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I have just received the following communication regarding the 1911 census. I dont doubt what is written, it is just that it is the first time I have heard anything about a problem??? with the 1911 census and I was wondering if anyone else could shed any light or expand on what's been said. Regards Lenny (researching the Beaumonts of Yorkshire) 1911 CENSUS-- YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !!!!!!!! There is a lot of discussion on the subject of the 1911 census but some facts remain : 1. The 1911 census will not be released early---period. 2.When it is released, there will be problems, there will be problems, HUGE problems. The 1911 census is not like any other census you have seen. Those you have seen so far are the census enumerator`s books. The enumerator went to every house collecting pieces of paper called householder`s schedules, & then copied them into his book. With very rare exception, these schedules are all gone. Not preserved.All that remain from 1841 onwards to 1901 are the enumerator`s books.Those books have several households per page: often as many as 5 to 8 households.You`ve seen what they look like.. Take the following from someone who knows. Now, in the case of the 1911 census, it is totally different. There are NO census enumerator`s books. All that remains are the householder`s schedules, a doublesided piece of paper for every household, & written in different handwriting by each of household. That means that there are millions more pieces of paper involed than in the older censuses, & they are going to be a real proverbial pain to read. They still need sorting & classifying. And as if that wasn`t bad enough, now for the bad news. They are VERY incomplete. MANY are missing. The ones that survive are wrotten & smelly ( literally! - I mean it ) screwed up & dog- eared. A great number are incredibly damaged with parts of the pages missing, torn, ragged, water stained- literally rotten!. People who work at The National Archives with offices close to them know where they are by the smell !!!!!!!!! They have never been micro-filmed or digitised. The cost of filming them will be about ten times the cost of the origanal filming of the 1901 enumerator`s book- many millions of pounds. And when (IF ) it is all completed & filmed,every genealogist will be complaining bitterly that they can`t find their ancestors. But before you go blaming The National Archives for not preserving them in better condition, it is not their fault. That`s how the bundles of paper came to them. ( By the way, have you any idea how much space is taken up by those millions of peices of rotten paper ? ) Will they be released before 2011 ? Not a cat in hell`s chance, folks. Will they be filmed in the near future ? No way ! If & when they are released, will you complain? Absolutely YES ! Will it make any difference complaining_ NO. They are what they are. Courtesy of Rod Neep. Nuneaton & North Warwickshire Family History Society.

I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the Workhouse which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to enquire about any such records/ Would be grateful for any pointers Trevor

From: Trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> > I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the > Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, > to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the > Workhouse which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to > enquire about any such records/> The workhouse became St Luke's Hospital about 1928. I was born there along with half the population of Bradford! If any records survive, they would be at the West Yorkshire Archives, Bradford branch, now based in the Central Library. As I am always telling people, Google should be your first port of call. There is a site devoted to the Bradford Workhouse at the general workhouses site..... http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Bradford/Bradford.shtml This gives you the history of the place and where the records are (Bradford Archives, as I thought). They won't be online though. You'll have to go there or get someone to search on your behalf. According to the website, they have the following records..... Holdings include: Various minutes (1837-1930); Admissions and discharges (1857-1930); Births and deaths (1838-1930); Creed registers (1869-1930); Punishment book (1888-1930); Register of adopted children (1899-1930); etc. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Trevor The Bradford Workhouse Records are kept at the Bradford Archives Office on microfilm. You can contact them by email, telephone or by writing. Email is the best and the quickest. Below are the details of contact:- West Yorkshire Archive Service Bradford, Bradford Central Library, Prince's Way, Bradford, BD1 1NN Telephone (01274) 435099 E-Mail bradford@wyjs.org.uk Hope this helps and good luck in your search. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> To: "Bradford Rootsweb List" <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: [YKS-BRADFORD] Bradford Workhouse >I have discovered a death which occurred on the 28 Jan 1890 in the > Workhouse, Horton, Bradford. I think this is one of my ancestors but, > to be sure, wonder if there are any surviving records for the Workhouse > which could illuminate my discovery? Where could I write to enquire > about any such records/ > > Would be grateful for any pointers > > Trevor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-YKS-BRADFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message