Hi all With reference to Merrivale when the crown gate shopping centre was constructed the yard to the rear of Broad st and adjacent to the centres service exit ramp was known as Merryvale ( still is ) this is accessable off the Deansway opposite the Church, Powick Lane is the walkway off Deansway between huntington Hall and What was Beatties so the Glovers Arms was in the area between the 2. Regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 254 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. William GARLAND (Terry Garland) > 2. where are the Pinch and merrievale (soloman) > 3. Re: William GARLAND (Gus Tysoe) > 4. Re: where are the Pinch and merrievale (Mike Palmer) > 5. Re: where are the Pinch and merrievale (Gus Tysoe) > 6. Frustration (JR) > 7. Re: where are the Pinch and merrievale (Dean Clarke) > 8. Re: Frustration (Firebird) > 9. Re: Frustration (Peter_Holly) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:30:28 -0000 > From: "Terry Garland" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WOR] William GARLAND > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > List, > > Re-posting my earliest interest - I still haven't found time to get to > Worcester to check local records! > > Any information on William GARLAND.... > b. Abt. 1790-1800 > m. Date and spouse not known > occupation 1815 - 1830 Constable > son Samuel GARLAND b. Abt 1818 [Innkeeper in Diglis Street 1848-51] > occupation 1840 Beadle/Guildhall Keeper > residence 1840 Diglis Street, Worcester > d. Dec. 1870, Warwickshire [Unconfirmed] > > Terry Garland > www.terrygarland.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:59:34 +0000 (GMT) > From: soloman <[email protected]> > Subject: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale > To: Eng-Worcester <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also > 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. > > I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. > > Roy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:57:47 -0000 > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] William GARLAND > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Terry, > > In 1841 there was a William GARLAND, "60", Mayor's Officer, born in County > recorded in Frog Lane [now Severn Street] Worcester St Peter, > [HO107/1209/17; Fo 7; p6] > > Also in the household were: > Ann GARLAND, "60", not born in County > Maria GARLAND, "30", born in County > > In 1851 - in Diglis Street, Worcester St Peter [HO107/2042; Fo 829; Sch > 110] > William GARLAND, Head, "M", 77, M, Retired Mayor's Officer; Worcester > Maria GARLAND, Dau, U, 45, F, -, Worcester St Martin > This was about "a couple of doors down" from the far end of Turners > Buildings, where Samuel was innkeeper of The Shades. I couldn't find Ann, > who *may* have died at some stage after the 1841, despite William being > shown as "married". > > In 1841, Samuel, 23 [with wife Mary, 21 and son George, 1month] was > recorded > "at" an unnamed Pub in Friar Street, Worcester St Helen. [HO107/1209/9; Fo > 23; p26] No occupation is given for him or Mary, but their names > immediately > follow that of the Landlord, George WORMINGTON, "55". The presumption has > to > be that they were live-in bar staff. > > > *IF* William's age was correctly given in the 1851, he'd've been born > c.1773-74 [quite a bit earlier than your estimate] - and if his birthplace > is correct then the absence of his, Maria's and Samuel's baptisms from the > IGI would imply that he was a Nonconformist of some denomination. > > I *suspect* that he could well have married Ann HOLDER at Lydney, GLS on > 15 > May 1804 - this at least would fit with her having been born "out of > County" - but you'd need to see the Parish Register entry for additional > information. > > HTH > > Gus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Garland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:30 AM > Subject: [WOR] William GARLAND > > > List, > > Re-posting my earliest interest - I still haven't found time to get to > Worcester to check local records! > > Any information on William GARLAND.... > b. Abt. 1790-1800 > m. Date and spouse not known > occupation 1815 - 1830 Constable > son Samuel GARLAND b. Abt 1818 [Innkeeper in Diglis Street 1848-51] > occupation 1840 Beadle/Guildhall Keeper > residence 1840 Diglis Street, Worcester > d. Dec. 1870, Warwickshire [Unconfirmed] > > Terry Garland > www.terrygarland.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:51:00 -0000 > From: "Mike Palmer" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale > To: "soloman" <[email protected]>, "Eng-Worcester" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Roy, > > Merry Vale (Merrivale) was in St Andrews. It's still on a 1960s map that I > have, joining Broad Street where it meets All Hallows, so it's just > across > the river from St Johns. > > My Hale family ran the Glovers' Arms pub where Merryvale met Powick Lane, > and the address varied according to which census it was on. > > Vivien > > From: "soloman" <[email protected]> > > >> Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also > 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. >> >> I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:07:11 -0000 > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale > To: "soloman" <[email protected]>, "Eng-Worcester" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Roy, > > A date and a source just might help here... > > But Merryvale is now the northern end of Deansway - it ran South from the > junction of Broad and Bridge Streets to (roughly) the northern end of St > Andrews former graveyard. I don't know when it was (officially) renamed, > but > it was certainly still referred to by the Old Name in the mid-1950s. > > Can't help on The Pinch, though - that's one I've never heard of! > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "soloman" <[email protected]> > To: "Eng-Worcester" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:59 AM > Subject: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale > > > Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also > 'merry[ie] > vale where situated in worcester. > > I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. > > Roy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:18:42 -0800 > From: "JR" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WOR] Frustration > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello List > > I have relatives on the 1891 census. living in Cardiff. > > They appear as GARTONIA DEBONS and ALICE DEBONS, however their correct > surname was DEBONO. He was 50 and born in MALTA, Alice WAS 33 and born in > BRISTOL. > > Could SKS advise me on how to search the 1901. I have tried numerous > combinations without success. > > Many thanks > > John > Eaton Socon > Cambridgeshire. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:04:50 +0000 > From: Dean Clarke <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale > To: soloman <[email protected]> > Cc: Eng-Worcester <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Theres a Pinch off Hallow Green > Dean > > On 7 Nov 2007, at 11:59, soloman wrote: > > Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also > 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. > > I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. > > Roy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:10:47 +0000 > From: Firebird <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] Frustration > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > JR wrote: > >> Hello List >> >> I have relatives on the 1891 census. living in Cardiff. >> >> They appear as GARTONIA DEBONS and ALICE DEBONS, however their >> correct surname was DEBONO. He was 50 and born in MALTA, Alice WAS >> 33 and born in BRISTOL. >> >> Could SKS advise me on how to search the 1901. I have tried >> numerous combinations without success. > > I don't know which resource you are using for the 1901 but if you can > do so, try searching on Alice (no surname), 43 and Bristol to see if > that will find her. Gartonia is liable to be hopelessly mistranscribed. > > Otherwise have a look on www.freebmd.org.uk or www.familyrelatives.com > for their deaths between 1891 and 1901. Familyrelatives is indexed to > 1920. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:43:03 +1100 > From: "Peter_Holly" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] Frustration > To: "JR" <[email protected]> > Cc: WORCESTER Mailing List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi > > Here is the death of Gartonia: > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 > about Gaetano De Bono > Name: Gaetano De Bono > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 > Year of Registration: 1894 > Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun > Age at Death: 55 > District: Cardiff (1837-1974) > County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire > Volume: 11a > Page: 195 > > Source Information: > FreeBMD. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 [database > on-line]. > Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data: > General > Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. London, > England: General Register Office. > > Regards > > Holly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of JR > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 4:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WOR] Frustration > > > Hello List > > I have relatives on the 1891 census. living in Cardiff. > > They appear as GARTONIA DEBONS and ALICE DEBONS, however their correct > surname was DEBONO. He was 50 and born in MALTA, Alice WAS 33 and born in > BRISTOL. > > Could SKS advise me on how to search the 1901. I have tried numerous > combinations without success. > > Many thanks > > John > Eaton Socon > Cambridgeshire. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 254 > ********************************************* >

Thanks for this Bill. My last visit to the centre of Worcester being in the 60s and not being in the area now I had to look up Crowngate and I found a map on their website. I doubt if many of my family's haunts exist now! Vivien From: "bill" <[email protected]> > > With reference to Merrivale when the crown gate shopping centre was > constructed the yard to the rear of Broad st and adjacent to the centres > service exit ramp was known as Merryvale ( still is ) this is accessable off > the Deansway opposite the Church, Powick Lane is the walkway off Deansway > between huntington Hall and What was Beatties so the Glovers Arms was in the > area between the 2.