I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children claiming to be married to him. On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some Devon connection. I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of this!! Laurence

Hello, you could check the ships passenger lists for Canada and the US on the findmypast website! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "spicers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? >I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married >a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . > However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children > claiming to be married to him. > > On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove > his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. > > Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and > later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and > settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also > have some Devon connection. > > I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any > of this!! > > Laurence > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Laurence, FWIW, in the 1881 Census the only John PERRYMAN born 1870+/-2 and son of a Joseph was the following RG11/2158/74/95 East Street, Bovey Tracey, Devon Joseph PERRYMAN, Head, M, 36, M, Gen'l Labourer Harriet PERRYMAN, Wife, M, 33, F, [nil] John PERRYMAN, Son, U, 12, M, Scholar Frederick C. PERRYMAN, Son, -, 11m, [nil] all born Bovey Tracey I cannot find him in a simple search of the 1891. OTOH his parents, Frederick Charles and 2 younger children were still in Bovey Tracey (but now in Fore Street), while Joseph is an (employed) Chimney Sweep. Superficially, at least, this seems not to actively disprove the family lore of a Devon connection and a possible emigration. I wouldn't be too bothered about his father's reported occupation in 1917 - I'd imagine it's the usual 'trading-up' of occupations that's all too apt to occur on marriage certificates... In 1917 he'd've been c.48, which makes it sound unlikely that he'd returned to England with the Canadian Army at that stage. [Although it's possible he may've been a senior BCO with Administrative Duties.] More possible, perhaps - *IF* the Canadian Army sent any troops - is that he'd been involved in the Boer War 1899-1901, and returned from South Africa to here rather than to Canada. Another point - if the woman who turned up at the funeral with *young* children, the presumption has to be that his 2nd "marriage" is likely to've been in (say) the mid-late 20s. Do you have any details of what her name might have been? And have you trawled the GRO Marriages Indexes for John PERRYMANs from 1917 up to his death? Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "spicers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children claiming to be married to him. On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some Devon connection. I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of this!! Laurence ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the quick replies to clairfy what I know about John Perryman My family tree contains the John Perryman son of Joseph from Bovey tracey and I have him and his family well documented I have become interested because I had an email from someone in Bromsgrove claiming there could be a link to my John Perryman...this is what she wrote "My father in Law thinks he came from Bovey...however our John is supposed to have been in America and Canada until possibly 1915 when he came back to England with the Canadian Force......he settled in Bromsgrove and married Mary Jane Edwards...(1917) they had my husband's father and 3 more children.......when he died in 1932.....story has it (no one left alive to tell but my father in law was not one to make things up and if his father had been honest about his adventures)....that when he married Mary Jane he was already married and 'a woman' turned up at the funurel with young children saying that he could not be married because he was already married to her...and that she had been looking for him. After our John died in 1933 Mary Jane travelled alone down to Bovey every year.My father-in-law also told us that at some point his father helped run a pub Big question...was he already married? Also we need to find some evidence of his life in America and Canada......about 15 years missing!! He said he had helped erect telegraph poles across the Rockies. My father in law said he had seen a citation from the Canadian Government to him. . Also someone is supposed to have tried to find John Perryman through the News of the World.in the 1920s...another story? t's a great story and I'd love to crack it! We need to know where John married to Harriet was and did after 1901....It's going to take some doing but I'm going to give it a go! This could be the proverbial 'skeleton in the cupboard'" I have already searched the canadian census 1911. Ships emigration and WW1 canadian enlistment papers ..I can not find any record of John Perryman who would fit on age/place of birth...hence I say family lore.. I am sceptical that the two John's are the same. My John Perryman is married with his last child born in Devon 1908. It does not seem likely that he upped and left for canada between 1908-1917. The woman who turns up at the funurel is very unlikely to be the wife of my John (Emma) her youngest child would be 25 at the time. It seems much more likely that the woman who is the second wife is local to Bromsgrove. I am hoping that some local Knowledge may unlock the true identity of John Perryman (Bromsgrove) or his second wife. Laurence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: "spicers" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? > Hello Laurence, > > FWIW, in the 1881 Census the only John PERRYMAN born 1870+/-2 and son of a > Joseph was the following > RG11/2158/74/95 > East Street, Bovey Tracey, Devon > Joseph PERRYMAN, Head, M, 36, M, Gen'l Labourer > Harriet PERRYMAN, Wife, M, 33, F, [nil] > John PERRYMAN, Son, U, 12, M, Scholar > Frederick C. PERRYMAN, Son, -, 11m, [nil] > all born Bovey Tracey > > I cannot find him in a simple search of the 1891. OTOH his parents, > Frederick Charles and 2 younger children were still in Bovey Tracey (but now > in Fore Street), while Joseph is an (employed) Chimney Sweep. > > > Superficially, at least, this seems not to actively disprove the family lore > of a Devon connection and a possible emigration. I wouldn't be too bothered > about his father's reported occupation in 1917 - I'd imagine it's the usual > 'trading-up' of occupations that's all too apt to occur on marriage > certificates... > > > In 1917 he'd've been c.48, which makes it sound unlikely that he'd returned > to England with the Canadian Army at that stage. [Although it's possible he > may've been a senior BCO with Administrative Duties.] More possible, > perhaps - *IF* the Canadian Army sent any troops - is that he'd been > involved in the Boer War 1899-1901, and returned from South Africa to here > rather than to Canada. > > > Another point - if the woman who turned up at the funeral with *young* > children, the presumption has to be that his 2nd "marriage" is likely to've > been in (say) the mid-late 20s. Do you have any details of what her name > might have been? And have you trawled the GRO Marriages Indexes for John > PERRYMANs from 1917 up to his death? > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "spicers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM > Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? > > > I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married > a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . > However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children > claiming to be married to him. > > On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his > father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. > > Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and > later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled > in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some > Devon connection. > > I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of > this!! > > Laurence > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >