On 25 Jan 2010 at 16:20, Bob Newell wrote: > Hello this is just a shot in the dark, but I am trying to ascertain a > marriage of an ancestor Dorothy Mabel Catchpole. I have a few > possibilities which are around the 1920's one of which is Arthur V > Philpotts marriage Sep qtr 1923 in Kings Norton District. Is there > anyone that may have an ancestor that fits these persons. > > regards > Bob Newell > A few possibilities? I am unsure as to precisely what you mean, since the marriage you have already spotted appears to be the only one at FreeBMD in, as you say, the Sep quarter of 1923, vol 6d page 383. FreeBMD has only two entries for a Dorothy Mabel Catchpole, one at Newmarket in the Sep quarter of 1892 (3b 514) and another at Wells in the Sep quarter of 1895 (5c 471). Neither of these registration districts are in Worcestershire. There is only ONE entry for a possible Philpotts, which is Arthur Victor Philpotts at Hereford in the Sep quarter of 1887 (6a 484). Why don't you buy the marriage certificate from the GRO website and if you're not certain you have the right one you can always put checking references which means you get some of your money back if it doesn't fit? I can find only one Dorothy Mabel Catchpole in the 1911 census, who was the one born in 1895 and she was a domestic servant at Glastonbury (which I believe is in the Wells RD). There is also only one Arthur Victor Philpotts, who was the one born in Hereford RD but in 1911 living with family at Solihull. Restrictions in my subscription agreement with Findmypast preclude me from sending you any other details but you can look them up for yourself. Why not take it from there? It would seem to me that you have a much better chance by researching the official records, rather than vaguely hoping someone on the list might have these people among their ancestors. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello this is just a shot in the dark, but I am trying to ascertain a marriage of an ancestor Dorothy Mabel Catchpole. I have a few possibilities which are around the 1920's one of which is Arthur V Philpotts marriage Sep qtr 1923 in Kings Norton District. Is there anyone that may have an ancestor that fits these persons. regards Bob Newell

In a message dated 25/01/2010 17:54:38 GMT Standard Time, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: FreeBMD has only two entries for a Dorothy Mabel Catchpole, one at Newmarket in the Sep quarter of 1892 (3b 514) and another at Wells in the Sep quarter of 1895 (5c 471). Neither of these registration districts are in Worcestershire. I know of the Newmarket Dorothy Mabel Catchpole. She was my wife's great aunt. The marriage of Francis Thomas Maurice Marks, bachelor, aged 27, farmer, of Billingford with Thorpe Parva, Norfolk, son of Louis Leopold Marks, company promoter, and Dorothy Mabel Catchpole, spinster, aged 32, daughter of Arthur Robert Catchpole, farmer, was solemnised on the 30th of October 1924 by the Revd. E. Awdry Gray, Rector, at St. Mary's Church, Lidgate, Suffolk. Witnesses were Arthur Robert Catchpole, Louis Leopold Marks, and Sidney John Ennion. Geoffrey Woollard. _http://woollard4southeastcambs.blogspot.com/_ (http://woollard4southeastcambs.blogspot.com/) _ http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveOurFens/_ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveOurFens/) _ http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoToHareCoursing/_ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoToHareCoursing/)

Am looking for information for a couple Thomas CHESLETT /CHESLED /CHISLETT who married Sarah PERTON by banns in Whittington on 6 May 1773, both were of this parish" Thomas was a Cordwainer, I can't find his death but judging by his son's Will he had died before 1836. I would love to find his death and/or his parents names. Sarah CHESLETT nee PERTON was living in Corn Market, Worcester in 1841 and died in 1849, her parents would be terrific. Thanks Lynne S Aust

----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Flavell To: BRITISHHOMECHILDREN@rootsweb.com Cc: Chesterfield Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: May FLAVELL born 1881 Adoption My grandfather's sister May FLAVELL born 1881 Walsall, Staffs. was according to Family Lore, "Adopted" and taken to Canada after her mother died soon after childbirth in 1881. Over the years I've searched and searched for 'May' under our Family name without success. I know that official adoption in the UK didn't come about until 1926/27. Were there any, does anyone know of, any 'unofficial' Adoption Lists or Data that exists for that time, say 1881 to about the 1890's. I've not even managed to find which Orphanage / Workhouse that my grandfather Benjamin Job FLAVELL and probably his sister May FLAVELL, were placed in from c the month of May 1881. (between the 81 and 91 Census). My grandfather re-joined his newly re-married father in Derbyshire (Clay Cross area) by the 1891 Census.(In 1881 Census he was lodging along with his father and mother at their ONIONS relations just outside of Nottingham. The 'unofficial' adoption could have taken place anywhere; Canada, USA, England (Walsall-Sedgley-Dudley- Worcestershire-Nottinghamshire - Derbyshire for example). Regards Dennis FLAVELL

BMSGH Bromsgrove next Branch Meeting Tuesday 19th January at 7.45 p.m. (please note the date change -- not the usual second Tuesday) "Prepare to Meet Thy God -- Death Records in Victorian times" by Sandra Taylor This talk will tell us about available records and sources for the Victorian period including death certificates, burial registers and graves. The use of House of Mourning and memorial cards will also be outlined. ********************** This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove. *********************** This talk is open to the public, if you like us you can join later, no pressure! -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Hi Dave The first thing that I would do is to order one of the birth certificates of the two children born after the start of Civil Registration (1st Jul 1837). This will then give you the mother's maiden name and then you will at least know when you have found the correct marriage. It may well be one of the three that you have found in GLS, but you have to remember that the IGI is very far from complete There are marriage indexes for both WOR and HEF (another possibility) so you would need to check those too. It's a pity that you are not looking for a marriage of a James & Elizabeth CALDWELL, because I have one of those on my ROWBERRY tree at Bishops Frome HEF in 1831, and I don't know what happened to them afterwards! The two births appear in the GRO index as: 1838 Jun CALLWELL Edward Martley 18 403 1842 Mar CALWELL George Martley 18 441 and you can order then with that information and a credit card payment of £7 from this website: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" <david.potter93@tesco.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: [WOR] Colwell/Calwell/Calder/Colder/Caldwell Please can anyone assist with my research? I am looking for any information on a William COLWELL of Astley, Worcs (c1783 - 1858) He lived at Glasshampton Lodge, Astley, Worcs. according to the 1841 & 1851 census returns. His occupation was a carpenter. He died on 11 July 1858 & was buried on 15 July 1858 at St. Peters church Astley. Listed as:- William CALDER alias CALDWELL He married Sarah, (born in Abberley c1797) who died at Astley in 1886 having lived at Glasshampton Lodge according to the 1841 to 1881 census returns. Children were listed as:- John CALWELL born c.1830, Joseph CALDER born c.1833, Thomas CALWELL born c.1834, James CALDER born c.1837, Edward COLDER born c.1838 & George COLWELL born c. 1842. All children were born at Astley, Worcs and are listed in the 1841 &/or 1851 census returns. According to the IGI there are only 3 marriages of a William COLWELL & Sarah circa 1810 - 1830. All of them in Gloucestershire. In all cases the birth places are listed as villages in Glos. Nothing in Worcs. I have his death certificate and have made an attempt to search the parish records for St Peters church for marriage/birth info without success. Does anyone have any other suggestions of how to proceed? Regards Dave Potter. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 16 Jan, David Potter <david.potter93@tesco.net> wrote: > According to the IGI there are only 3 marriages of a William COLWELL & > Sarah circa 1810 - 1830. All of them in Gloucestershire. In all cases > the birth places are listed as villages in Glos. Nothing in Worcs. The boundary between the two counties was quite fluid at this time, and you may find they are the right places, in the county which was correct at that time (but not now!). -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Please can anyone assist with my research? I am looking for any information on a William COLWELL of Astley, Worcs (c1783 - 1858) He lived at Glasshampton Lodge, Astley, Worcs. according to the 1841 & 1851 census returns. His occupation was a carpenter. He died on 11 July 1858 & was buried on 15 July 1858 at St. Peters church Astley. Listed as:- William CALDER alias CALDWELL He married Sarah, (born in Abberley c1797) who died at Astley in 1886 having lived at Glasshampton Lodge according to the 1841 to 1881 census returns. Children were listed as:- John CALWELL born c.1830, Joseph CALDER born c.1833, Thomas CALWELL born c.1834, James CALDER born c.1837, Edward COLDER born c.1838 & George COLWELL born c. 1842. All children were born at Astley, Worcs and are listed in the 1841 &/or 1851 census returns. According to the IGI there are only 3 marriages of a William COLWELL & Sarah circa 1810 - 1830. All of them in Gloucestershire. In all cases the birth places are listed as villages in Glos. Nothing in Worcs. I have his death certificate and have made an attempt to search the parish records for St Peters church for marriage/birth info without success. Does anyone have any other suggestions of how to proceed? Regards Dave Potter.

[CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 21 September 1849 BMDs At LAUNCESTON, on Sunday last, after a short illness, Mr. John HARDY, commercial traveller, of WORCESTER, a gentleman of great amiability of character, and the loss of whom will be sincerely deplored by all that knew him. Just passing this on from the Cornish list in case he belongs to someone Anne

Heloo , I am wondering if someone could help me with William Craythorne b 1797 Kings Norton and married Ann Lovatt 1827 Warwick, Their daughter Sarah Craythorne born in Kingscliffe, married John Palmer 1850 Kingscliffe Northampton. I am not sure if the above are the same William Craythorne and Ann who were the parents of Sarah or if the counties are too far distant for William and Ann to move around so much, William as a Ag labourer, it seems from IGI some people think these two are the parents, but no real proof. I hope I am making some sort of sense. Thank you for any help. Sandra

Hi Folks, I have a HANDS & TOLLEY or TOLLY marriage in my tree. In the village of Chaddersley Corbett, Worcestershire, William HANDS, of Tardebigge, married Mary TOLLY by license on the 4th July 1703. The IGI gives a number of local possibilities. They went back to live in Tardebigge. Chaddersley Corbett is about 7 miles away and across Bromsgrove. No idea why. Does anyone have any information on Mary's parents, please? Regards Mike ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Worcester Branch BMSGH January meeting Given the uncertain weather conditions it has been decided to cancel our meeting planned for Friday, 8th January 2010. Even if it does not snow between now and Friday our main concern is the possible dangerous nature of the roads. Sorry to disappoint you but we are following that oft given advice - do not travel unless your journey is really necessary. We look forward to meeting you at our February meeting. Arthur Lewis

PRICE/ELT - Edwin & Elizabeth, Evesham Dear Listers: Edwin William PRICE was born in Dilwyn, Herefordshire, in 1855. He married Elizabeth ELT (born Kinnersley) at St. Lawrence's Parish Church, Evesham in 1886. By 1911 they were living and working at 21 High Street, Evesham, where Edwin was a Wheelwright and also a Cycle Agent. I was wondering whether anyone knew of a picture of Evesham High Street dated around 1910 that may show the PRICE premises? I would also love to know whether Edwin and Elizabeth appear in any monumental inscription index for St. Lawrence's Church, Evesham. Edwin died in 1913 and Elizabeth in 1917. Thank you so much Diane J. Researching PRICE, Dilwyn, Weobley, Herefordshire

Good morning Brian, I'm certain I've seen the Oakes surname in my guff but I cant find it at the mo. Below, I'll give you what I have. I have noted down that your Elizabeth Hinton chr. 4 Jan 1791 at Ribbesford is the daughter of John and Mary Hinton. As I couldn't see an immediate tie, I didn't note down an earlier marriage of these last two. In my lot, my family history is likely to be: 24 July 1781 Edward Hinton marr. Sarah Allin at Kidd', 2 Oct 1782 William Hinton chr. son of Edward and Sarah at Kidd', 22 Jan 1787 Elizabeth Weaver chr. dau. of Joseph and Hannah Weaver at Kidd', 8 Feb 1808 William Hinton marr. Elizabeth Weaver at Kidd', 4 Apr 1819 Elizabeth Hinton chr. dau. of William, a shoemaker and Elizabeth Hinton at Ribbesford. A related 1841 census is (my comments are in brackets): Tontine Row, Stourport. Silvia Taylor, 50, Yes (nee Weaver, marr John Taylor 20 Apr 1820 Kidd'); Elizabeth Hinton, 20, Yes (age 22yrs); John Hinton 4, Yes (Elizabeth's son probably). Another 1841 census: 373 Coal's Quay, Bewdley. William Hinton, 55, shoemaker, Yes (Elizabeth's father); Edwin Hinton, 15, tailor, Yes (Elizabeth's brother Edward ?). Another 1841 census: Load St, Bewdley. William Hinton, 25, tailor, Yes (Elizabeth's brother); Mary Ann Hinton, 25 (nee Humpherson?); Emily Hinton, 7 months (chr. 27 Dec 1840 Ribb). The 1881 census High St, Stourport: John Hinton, H, 44, Chemist, born Bewdley; Fanny Hinton, W, 44 (nee Ransom Simons); William R. son, 14, born Stourport; Harry E. son, 12, born Stourport; Amy M. dau, 10, born Stourport; Guy C. son, 4, born Stourport. As I said above, the comments in brackets are mine. If this is of any relevance, I hope you can untangle it. Richard. -----Original Message----- Subject: [WOR] Elizabeth HINTONs Richard Poole, I was exceedingly interested to read your reply to David Potter about your gggmother, Elizabeth Hinton, chr Ribbesford 4 Apr 1819. My wife, Sheila Allen, nee Oakes has a second great grandmother, Elizabeth Hinton, chr Ribbesford 4 Jan 1791. Elizabeth married Benjamin Oakes on 14 Dec 1815. The 1841 census shows that Elizabeth was a shopkeeper in Bewdley. Are our two Elizabeths mother and daughter? If you have a line of Hintons I would love to see it. Brian Allen (b.allen917@ntlworld.com)

Richard Poole, I was exceedingly interested to read your reply to David Potter about your gggmother, Elizabeth Hinton, chr Ribbesford 4 Apr 1819. My wife, Sheila Allen, nee Oakes has a second great grandmother, Elizabeth Hinton, chr Ribbesford 4 Jan 1791. Elizabeth married Benjamin Oakes on 14 Dec 1815. The 1841 census shows that Elizabeth was a shopkeeper in Bewdley. Are our two Elizabeths mother and daughter? If you have a line of Hintons I would love to see it. Brian Allen (b.allen917@ntlworld.com)

I cannot relate to your other variations. My link to Caswell is as follows: My gggmother (Elizabeth Hinton, chr, Ribbesford 4 Apr 1819) had a sister, Sylvia who married Thomas Caswell 7 Feb 1837 at Kidd'. I couldn't find any children for them. The Hintons were tailors and shoe makers from Bewdley. From the 1861 census, Thomas and Sylvia Caswell had the Hope and Anchor Inn in New St, Stourport. Elizabeth Hinton, above, married Isaac Purser. In the 1901 census, Charles James Purser (ex- butcher, as were his parents) ran the Hope and Anchor. In the 1891 census, Sylvia, a widow was looking after some of my grandfathers' sisters, some of the 14 children! -----Original Message----- Richard Can you expand on the Caswell line. I have an interest in Caswell/Calwell/Caldwell/Colwell name from the Astley/Stourport area. Regards Dave Potter

Good morning (early) here Emily, I don't have any 1700-1800 info unfortunately, but here's what I have: 1871 census for Farm Bed (now called Baldwin Rd, was a desolate area), Stourport: Frederick Sneyd 37, head, carpet weaver, born Kidd'; Margaret Sneyd 33, wife, born Hartlebury; Mary Ann Sneyd 6, dau, born Stourport(my g.gm); John Thomas Rhoades, 10, stepson, born Wall Heath, Staffordshire (son of Margaret's first marriage); Catharine Tandy 66, mother-in-law, born Stourport; John Tandy 69, father-in-law, tanner's lab, born Ledbury, Herefordshire..... Also, John Tandy married Catharine Mann at St. Nicholas, Worcester 29 Dec. 1823 Hi Richard It doesn't really sound too promising, but I have a lot of Tandys from Birmingham, children of John Tandy and Ann Slater who married at St Martin's Birmingham on 14 April 1789. I haven't traced the descent of all of them. Were your Tandys already in Ledbury at that date? best wishes, Emily

On 04 Jan, RPOOLE <rjpoole@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > 2010 Roll call. > All the above families were in the Stourport / Kidderminster area in the > late 1800s. > Earlier than 1870, Pooles came from Ironbridge, Mayers from > Monmouthshire, and Tandy from Ledbury. > All the best for 2010, > Richard Poole, NZ. Hi Richard Do you have any Tandy connections in the Warwickshire area at all? cheers -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

2010 Roll call. All my above families were in the Stourport / Kidderminster area in the late 1800s. Earlier than 1870, Pooles came from Ironbridge, Mayers from Monmouthshire, and Tandy from Ledbury. All the best for 2010, Richard Poole, NZ.