Thank you so much to those who replied. Your suggestions are appreciated and have proved very enlightening. Thank you again, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) ________________________________ From: "eng-worcester-request@rootsweb.com" <eng-worcester-request@rootsweb.com> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 8:00:39 Subject: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 Today's Topics: 1. Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove (John Duffield) 2. Re: Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove (Peter Booth) 3. Re: Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove (Gus Tysoe) 4. Re: Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove (Mike YEGWART) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:20:52 +0000 (GMT) From: John Duffield <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <908882.19370.qm@web27101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or suggest any sources of such information please? Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) ________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:43:22 +1100 From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove To: "John Duffield" <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk>, <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000a01caa985$76c559b0$0300a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original John, Just try Google, but put "Woodcote Green" in inverted commas, so it looks for the phrase. I preceded the name with the word history and came up with this :- http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43081&strquery=woodcote Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:36 -0000 From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove To: "John Duffield" <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk>, <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <08E1852793BB492F9D13068A47E39506@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello John, FWIW Woodcote Green is at OS Ref SO 914 726 - and a quick look at the current 1:25,000 would seem to indicate that there's precious little there *now*... While it *is* shown on the 1830s 1" map, there wouldn't seem to've been much in the way of "development" in the intervening 170 years.... While it was within Bromsgrove Parish it was so only by the skin of its teeth at the time you're talking about, as it was then at the end of a skinny peninsula bordered to the South by Upton Warren, to the North by a detached portion of Upton Warren, and to the West by Chaddesley Corbett. It is possible that the Worcestershire VCH *may* make passing reference to it - try British History Online at < http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > and work through by clicking on "Regions - Midlands" and then "Victoria County History - Worcestershire". Other than that I've few suggestions :-( Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Duffield" <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove > My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early > 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. > Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or > suggest any sources of such information please? > > Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:57:58 +0000 From: Mike YEGWART <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove To: John Duffield <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4B7169E6.2090705@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi John, I can only add that the people of Woodcote Green, were often hatched, matched and dispatched via St. John's in Bromsgrove. Baptisms from 1753 were giving abode and occupation. Also census data comes under Bromsgrove. Early spelling was sometimes Woodcott. You could also check the Tithe Map, 1836-1845 ish. This would give you the Land Owner, use and value of land or buildings, and _possibly_ the name of the occupier. The maps are surprisingly very accurate, down to the shape of the privy at the bottom of the garden. To be honest I don't think much happened there. Cheers Mike John Duffield wrote: > My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. > Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or suggest any sources of such information please? > > Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) > -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/ ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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John, Just try Google, but put "Woodcote Green" in inverted commas, so it looks for the phrase. I preceded the name with the word history and came up with this :- http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43081&strquery=woodcote Peter

Hi John, I can only add that the people of Woodcote Green, were often hatched, matched and dispatched via St. John's in Bromsgrove. Baptisms from 1753 were giving abode and occupation. Also census data comes under Bromsgrove. Early spelling was sometimes Woodcott. You could also check the Tithe Map, 1836-1845 ish. This would give you the Land Owner, use and value of land or buildings, and _possibly_ the name of the occupier. The maps are surprisingly very accurate, down to the shape of the privy at the bottom of the garden. To be honest I don't think much happened there. Cheers Mike John Duffield wrote: > My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. > Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or suggest any sources of such information please? > > Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) > -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Hello John, FWIW Woodcote Green is at OS Ref SO 914 726 - and a quick look at the current 1:25,000 would seem to indicate that there's precious little there *now*... While it *is* shown on the 1830s 1" map, there wouldn't seem to've been much in the way of "development" in the intervening 170 years.... While it was within Bromsgrove Parish it was so only by the skin of its teeth at the time you're talking about, as it was then at the end of a skinny peninsula bordered to the South by Upton Warren, to the North by a detached portion of Upton Warren, and to the West by Chaddesley Corbett. It is possible that the Worcestershire VCH *may* make passing reference to it - try British History Online at < http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > and work through by clicking on "Regions - Midlands" and then "Victoria County History - Worcestershire". Other than that I've few suggestions :-( Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Duffield" <bjdbjd2004@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: [WOR] Woodcote Green, Bromsgrove > My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early > 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. > Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or > suggest any sources of such information please? > > Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby)

My ancestors were Agricultural Labourers in Woodcote Green in the early 19th. C. and I would like to find out more about the place. Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Woodcote Green, or suggest any sources of such information please? Thank you, John DUFFIELD (in Rugby) ________________________________

*Tuesday 9th February at 7.45 p.m.* *"Worcestershire Murders -- Stories from the 18th and 19th centuries"* by Vanessa Morgan Vanessa will be presenting a selection of stories of events which took place in Worcestershire in the 1700s and 1800s with some readings from newspapers of the time. Vanessa Morgan is a freelance researcher in family and local history, a writer and thespian. She has submitted various articles for publication in magazines. ********************** *This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove. * *********************** This talk is open to the public, if you like us you can join later, no pressure! Mike -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry Worcester branch meeting At our meeting on Friday, 12th February 2010 Paul Hudson, the Manager of the Worcestershire History Centre will speak on: "CRIMINAL RECORDS" Now let's be honest, as much as we dread the idea of finding a criminal in our family history, it does at the same time give us a bit of a thrill. It depends of course on the crime; we might not want to be descended from a notorious murderer. But in times gone by many relatively minor misdemeanours were treated as serious crimes so that you might well have had a relative who ended up in court. Peter Taylor will again be manning our Bookstall and Lending Library. Tea/coffee and biscuits will be available. The small charge also buys you a ticket in our raffle and helps to cover some of our expenses. Visitors are welcome to attend the meeting which will be at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, starting at 7.30 pm. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2 More details at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk Arthur Lewis

Can anyone help me solve a problem with the Birmingham History Forum site. I am having trouble starting or replying to any threads on the forums. I can find no way of communicating with the Administrator to sort this out. The contact link on there comes up with site not found on server. Any help would be appreciated Regards Bob Newell

Hello, I am looking for any descendants of Arthur Philpotts and Dorothy Catchpole. Arthur was born in Herefordshire but came to Birmingham with his parents possibly Joseph and Susan. They were married in Kings Norton in 1923. Dorothy was the daughter of Walter James Catchpole and Elizabeth Clark. I believe she and her sister Alice came to Birmingham to work in service. Her sister Alice married a Frederick George Edwards in 1918 in Birmingham and I would like to hear from any descendants of that family also. Regards Bob Newell

Allen I am wondering if they were actually residing in the Parish House (some sort of poor house) in Stock and Bradley - you can Google "Stock and Bradley" and there is a website for this parish. Best wishes Jackie Jones On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Allen Cook <allencook@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to the list and am currently researching the Kettle family from > Worcs. I found them on the 1851 census but did wonder if anyone could throw > any light on the address "Parish House, Stock and Bradley" What sort of > dwelling is this do you think? > > Transcription of the census below: > > > > 1851 Census RG number: HO107 Piece: 2046 Folio: 636 Page: 14 > > > Registration District: Droitwich Sub District: Droitwich Enumeration > District: 10B Civil Parish: Stock & Bradley > > Parish House, Stock & Bradley County: Worcestershire > > > > KETTLE, Thomas Head Married Age 45 Born1806 Feckenham Worcestershire > Labourer > > KETTLE, Ann Wife Married Born 49 1802 Inkberrow Worcestershire > > KETTLE, Ann Daughter Unmarried Age 22 Born 1829 Stock & Bradley > Worcestershire Pauper > > KETTLE, William Son Unmarried Age 20 Born 1831 Stock & Bradley > Worcestershire Labourer > > KETTLE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried Age 15 Born 1836 Stock & Bradley > Worcestershire Labourer > > KETTLE, Jane Daughter Unmarried Age 13 Born 1838 Stock & Bradley > Worcestershire abourer > > KETTLE, Hannah Daughter Age 11 Born 1840 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire > Labourer > > KETTLE, George Son Age 9 Born 1842 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Labourer > > KETTLE, John Grand Son Age 9 Born 1842 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire > > KETTLE, Martha Daughter Age 6 Born 1845 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire > > KETTLE, James Son Age 4 Born 1847 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire > > KETTLE, Julia Daughter Age 2 Born 1849 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire > > > > Many thanks > > Allen Cook > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I'm new to the list and am currently researching the Kettle family from Worcs. I found them on the 1851 census but did wonder if anyone could throw any light on the address "Parish House, Stock and Bradley" What sort of dwelling is this do you think? Transcription of the census below: 1851 Census RG number: HO107 Piece: 2046 Folio: 636 Page: 14 Registration District: Droitwich Sub District: Droitwich Enumeration District: 10B Civil Parish: Stock & Bradley Parish House, Stock & Bradley County: Worcestershire KETTLE, Thomas Head Married Age 45 Born1806 Feckenham Worcestershire Labourer KETTLE, Ann Wife Married Born 49 1802 Inkberrow Worcestershire KETTLE, Ann Daughter Unmarried Age 22 Born 1829 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Pauper KETTLE, William Son Unmarried Age 20 Born 1831 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Labourer KETTLE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried Age 15 Born 1836 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Labourer KETTLE, Jane Daughter Unmarried Age 13 Born 1838 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire abourer KETTLE, Hannah Daughter Age 11 Born 1840 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Labourer KETTLE, George Son Age 9 Born 1842 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Labourer KETTLE, John Grand Son Age 9 Born 1842 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire KETTLE, Martha Daughter Age 6 Born 1845 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire KETTLE, James Son Age 4 Born 1847 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire KETTLE, Julia Daughter Age 2 Born 1849 Stock & Bradley Worcestershire Many thanks Allen Cook

It may, or may not, help you to know that Pinfield and Pinfield Wood is in the north of Worcestershire, around the eastern end of Lickey Hills Country Park.There is a lost village of Pinton associated with Pinfield, possibly in the parish of Cofton Hackett. Best wishes Jill Mike YEGWART wrote: > Hi Ken, > > I don't know but suspect your PINFIELDs came originally from around > Bromsgrove. The National Trust Surname site at >

Just thought I'd let you all know about a forthcoming GOONS Seminar in the area - and yes I do have to declare an interest as I am one of the speakers, talking about the ROWBERRY yDNA Project, which has already been very successful! Hope to see you there Polly The Guild of One Name Studies is organising a "DNA Developments" seminar at the National Star College, Ullenwood near Cheltenham, from 9.30am on Saturday February 20th 2010. DNA testing is changing the way we are now able to study surnames and the seminar will build on previous DNA discussions with emphasis on practical experience and the interpretation of results. The morning sessions will concentrate on project results and conclusions (looking at four specific surname studies) and consider the implications for surname studies in general. The afternoon sessions will look at the administration process (marketing and promotion, tracking down living relatives to test, fundraising and subsidies, and interpreting group results). The final session will discuss how to run a more effective project. The cost of attending is £18.00 and includes tea/coffee and a light buffet lunch. Full details and a booking form are available on the Guild website www.one-name.org Many thanks, Alan R Moorhouse [Seminar Organiser] Stroud, Gloucestershire farmery@one-name.org

Hi Ken, I don't know but suspect your PINFIELDs came originally from around Bromsgrove. The National Trust Surname site at http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Surnames.aspx may help you understand the spread. Note two things (1) is that the sites works on frequency of the surname, not the absolute count and (2) the map is by post code. As Bromsgrove is mainly B60 and B61 then it appears that the shift is towards Birmingham. If you use the LDS site to look up PINFIELD in Worcestershire there are over 700 hits. I can tell you that between 1800 and 1837, in Worcestershire, there were only 2 Jonathan PINFIELD marriages, in 1824 & 1828 . (Source BMSGH county Marriage Index) The first was in Bromsgrove and the second in Worcester St. Michael. This may all be a red herring, however. I suggest you check more censuses and look for some wills. Use all the finding tools you can, besides the IGI, FreeREG and possibly the county baptism index may help. Mike Pauline Flewett wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Although I have a transcription at home of the parish registers for Upper > Arley they only go up to 1800. I will be going to the LDS Family History > Center tomorrow and can check for your Eliza both in the film of the > transcription and the film of the parish registers. I have them on long term > as my KEIGHTLEY ancestors came from Upper Arley. The Pinfield name is > totally unfamiliar to me so I don't think your Eliza came from Upper Arley > in Staffordshire/Worcestershire. However, I will take a look and let you > know. > > I assume you are looking at the actual censuses or copies thereof and not a > transcription. I've found that many typed copies in various web sites are > not accurate. A quick check of the IGI online does not show your Pinfields > at Upper Arley. The one on Eliza looks like a guess perhaps taken from one > of the censuses that you have. Here in the States some lecturers advise us > to at least put in a place of last known residence and an estimated year of > birth as this helps in tracking down our ancestors. I personally disagree as > it can totally mislead people as you can see from your Eliza in the IGI. > There being so many reasons for not putting in an estimated time and place > are numerous so I won't bore everyone to tears with a list. I'd rather put > my ideas and assumptions in my notes. > > I'll get back with you tomorrow. > > Pauline from rainy Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Bennett" <sterndale@sky.com> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:16 PM > Subject: [WOR] Pinfield > > > >> I wpould be very gratefull to hear from anyone with information regarding >> the following >> >> ELIZA PINFIELD born abt. 1836/7. father JONATHAN PINFIELD. >> On 3 different census her place of birth was recorded as Withens End, >> Upper Arley >> and Shatterford, all in Staffordshire. >> >> Her father JONATHAN born about 1815 >> On 2 different census his place of birth was recorded as Kidderminster and >> Upper Arley >> >> His father was JOHN PINFIELD >> >> I look forward to receiving a reply >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Bennett >> >>

I wpould be very gratefull to hear from anyone with information regarding the following ELIZA PINFIELD born abt. 1836/7. father JONATHAN PINFIELD. On 3 different census her place of birth was recorded as Withens End, Upper Arley and Shatterford, all in Staffordshire. Her father JONATHAN born about 1815 On 2 different census his place of birth was recorded as Kidderminster and Upper Arley His father was JOHN PINFIELD I look forward to receiving a reply Regards Ken Bennett

Hi Ken, Although I have a transcription at home of the parish registers for Upper Arley they only go up to 1800. I will be going to the LDS Family History Center tomorrow and can check for your Eliza both in the film of the transcription and the film of the parish registers. I have them on long term as my KEIGHTLEY ancestors came from Upper Arley. The Pinfield name is totally unfamiliar to me so I don't think your Eliza came from Upper Arley in Staffordshire/Worcestershire. However, I will take a look and let you know. I assume you are looking at the actual censuses or copies thereof and not a transcription. I've found that many typed copies in various web sites are not accurate. A quick check of the IGI online does not show your Pinfields at Upper Arley. The one on Eliza looks like a guess perhaps taken from one of the censuses that you have. Here in the States some lecturers advise us to at least put in a place of last known residence and an estimated year of birth as this helps in tracking down our ancestors. I personally disagree as it can totally mislead people as you can see from your Eliza in the IGI. There being so many reasons for not putting in an estimated time and place are numerous so I won't bore everyone to tears with a list. I'd rather put my ideas and assumptions in my notes. I'll get back with you tomorrow. Pauline from rainy Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Bennett" <sterndale@sky.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: [WOR] Pinfield >I wpould be very gratefull to hear from anyone with information regarding >the following > > ELIZA PINFIELD born abt. 1836/7. father JONATHAN PINFIELD. > On 3 different census her place of birth was recorded as Withens End, > Upper Arley > and Shatterford, all in Staffordshire. > > Her father JONATHAN born about 1815 > On 2 different census his place of birth was recorded as Kidderminster and > Upper Arley > > His father was JOHN PINFIELD > > I look forward to receiving a reply > > Regards > > Ken Bennett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This link came through from another list: Alphabetical list of children orphaned of officers of the Bengal ARmy 1820 - 1857 http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_c omponents <http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_ components&id=719&s_id=137> &id=719&s_id=137 also can do a name search for Deaths marriages etc Anne

Sue, I think the message is too long. It would take hours of concerted research to answer all the possibilities. Surely looking at 1851 census should identify the respective families of all but child no.10, who is born later. By 1861, you should still have your three James. But one will be a widower, unless remarried. While some of the older children will have left home and married, some of the younger children should still be at home. As for James Davis (3) it certainly looks like he remarried to have two such young children. I'd be looking for consistency of age and birthplace of all three in earlier and later censuses. Free BMD has two possible marriages of James Davis with wife Olive. You probably need to look where she was born. Often the marriage occurred in the bride's parish. You don't give her age or birthplace. Peter

Firstly - apologies for such a long posting. *James Davis [1]* married Sarah Hodges in 1835; I believe the witnesses to be Sarah's sister and a friend/neighbour. The couple appear on the 1841 census living in Bliss Gate, Ribbesford - James is shown as a 30 year old farmer; their 3 children are John, Susannah, and William. The family are living in Red Ditch, Ribbesford in 1851 when James, aged 48, is now an agricultural labourer, born in Bewdley - children are William, James and Ann. *James Davis [2]* married Sarah Bray in 1842; James states that his father was John Davis, a labourer - James was able to sign the register. Their witnesses were Sarah's sister and another sister's husband. The children shown were William, Thomas and Mary Ann. James' occupation was shown as a labourer. The parish registers record the christenings of the following children born to James and Sarah Davis: 1. 31 July 1836 - John, living Bliss Gate - father a publican 2. 4 Feb 1838 - Susannah, living Bliss Gate - father a publican. Susannah died January 1845. [Kidderminster RD] 3. 17 Nov 1839 - William, living Gittings - father a farmer. [Cleobury Mortimer RD] 4. 20 Feb 1842 - James, living Bliss Gate - father a farmer. [Kidderminster RD]. 5. 4 June 1843 - William, living Green Way - father a labourer. [Cleobury Mortimer RD]. 6. 10 Nov 1844 - Ann, living Red Ditch - father a labourer. Ann died in 1844. [Kidderminster RD]. 7. 4 Dec 1844 - Thomas, living Green Way - father a labourer. [Cleobury Mortimer RD]. 8. 31 Jan 1847 - Mary Ann, living Latchetts, Heightington - father a labourer. [Cleobury Mortimer RD]. 9. 15 Mar 1847 - Mary, living Red Ditch - father a labourer. Mary died 2 weeks later. [Kidderminster RD]. 10.21 Sep 1851 - Sarah, living Red Ditch - father a labourer. Sarah died in 1856. [Kidderminster RD]. I think that children numbered 5, 7 and 8 belong to James [2]; the remainder to James [1]. A Sarah Davis died in June 1855, aged 40 years; her maiden name is not recorded on her death certificate, just that she was the wife of James Davis an Agricultural Labourer. I am almost sure that she was the wife of James Davis [1] as the address shown in the parish registers is Red Ditch. Her husband registered the death and did not sign his name. In 1861 "my" *James Davis [3]* is living in Rock - an ag lab aged 59 and born in Bewdley with his wife Olive [I cannot find a marriage] and their first two children Charles 3 and Alfred 1. By the time of the 1871 census James is 60 years old, born in Rock, still an ag lab living with Olive and four children. James died in 1874 - the parish register states that he was 68 years old; his death certificate shows he was 65 years but his death was registered by a neighbour rather than Olive. In view of the age of James [3] I'm sure that he must have been married before and that either [1] or [2] are likely to be his first marriage - but how can I determine which one? Even though James [2] married in Rock and had 3 children in the village I cannot find him or his family on the 1851 census or later. As I can only find one James & Sarah listed on a census in the village it did cross my mind that James [1] and [2] were the same man but in view of the christenings around the time of James [2] marriage I don't think that this can be the case. Both marriages and all christenings and burials took place in the village of Rock near Bewdley. I'm hoping that someone on this list will have some suggestions as to how I can follow this line of research. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Sue

On 25 Jan 2010 at 13:07, GW5438@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 25/01/2010 17:54:38 GMT Standard Time, > roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: > FreeBMD has only two entries for a Dorothy Mabel Catchpole, one at > Newmarket in the Sep quarter of 1892 (3b 514) and another at Wells > in the Sep quarter of 1895 (5c 471). Neither of these registration > districts are in Worcestershire. > > > I know of the Newmarket Dorothy Mabel Catchpole. She was my wife's > great aunt. > > The marriage of Francis Thomas Maurice Marks, bachelor, aged 27, > farmer, of Billingford with Thorpe Parva, Norfolk, son of Louis > Leopold Marks, company promoter, and Dorothy Mabel Catchpole, > spinster, aged 32, daughter of Arthur Robert Catchpole, farmer, was > solemnised on the 30th of October 1924 by the Revd. E. Awdry Gray, > Rector, at St. Mary's Church, Lidgate, Suffolk. Witnesses were Arthur > Robert Catchpole, Louis Leopold Marks, and Sidney John Ennion. > > Geoffrey Woollard. < The Dorothy Mabel Catchpole born in Newmarket RD was also married there. The other candidate born at Glastonbury in Wells RD was married some distance away at Kings Norton, assuming she was the same person. There are two other possibles, one married at Croydon in 1921 and the other at Brentford in 1928. I think perhaps the OP needs to do a little more work in order to narrow the field in case the Dorothy M Catchpole who married Arthur V Philpotts isn't the right one. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE