Thanks to all who answered my query on 'Census Residence'. I was sure I put 'reference'!!!! 72 this year. that tells a story. Looking it up, the answer was indeed the parish of Halford, where I found to my delight a relative in 'Residence'. Not in Reference! Many thanks again John ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus Tysoe To: John Richardson ; ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Census Residence Hi John I *think* you'll find it's the 1841 listing of the Parish of Halford, WAR - in Shipston on Stour District & Kington Hundred. BUT... A lot depends on the date the reference was written, as the 1841 referencing has been altered "comparatively" recently. Although the Piece Numbers remain the same, at the time I was working my way through the 1841 Census in the late 1990s, each piece was *not* Folioed as one unit. It was broken into sections - some of which were, and others weren't, given folio numbers. The result was that it was possible to have several quite different folios given the same one :-( This was converted "comparatively" recently into sequentially-numbered 'sections', and all were numbered-through separately from 1. All of this was easily determined until about a month ago, when Ancestry "improved" its search-boxes by removing piece and folio numbers and substituting "places" - of which around 90% have no relevance whatsoever to anything appearing in any English Census..... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richardson" <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:55 PM Subject: [WOR] Census Residence > Hello the list, > > I would be most grateful if SKS could identify this number please? > > HO 107/1133/7 > > I believe it refers to a specific area! > > Thanks in advance > > John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gus, Like you I shudder whenever a firm "improves" their search boxes etc. In fact I hadn't noticed that ancestry had done this until I tried to look it up to help John. "If it ain't broke don't fix it" is the phrase which comes to mind. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "John Richardson" <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Census Residence > Hi John > > I *think* you'll find it's the 1841 listing of the Parish of Halford, > WAR - > in Shipston on Stour District & Kington Hundred. > > BUT... > > A lot depends on the date the reference was written, as the 1841 > referencing > has been altered "comparatively" recently. Although the Piece Numbers > remain > the same, at the time I was working my way through the 1841 Census in the > late 1990s, each piece was *not* Folioed as one unit. It was broken into > sections - some of which were, and others weren't, given folio numbers. > The > result was that it was possible to have several quite different folios > given > the same one :-( > > This was converted "comparatively" recently into sequentially-numbered > 'sections', and all were numbered-through separately from 1. > > > All of this was easily determined until about a month ago, when Ancestry > "improved" its search-boxes by removing piece and folio numbers and > substituting "places" - of which around 90% have no relevance whatsoever > to > anything appearing in any English Census..... > > > HTH > > Gus >

Hi John I *think* you'll find it's the 1841 listing of the Parish of Halford, WAR - in Shipston on Stour District & Kington Hundred. BUT... A lot depends on the date the reference was written, as the 1841 referencing has been altered "comparatively" recently. Although the Piece Numbers remain the same, at the time I was working my way through the 1841 Census in the late 1990s, each piece was *not* Folioed as one unit. It was broken into sections - some of which were, and others weren't, given folio numbers. The result was that it was possible to have several quite different folios given the same one :-( This was converted "comparatively" recently into sequentially-numbered 'sections', and all were numbered-through separately from 1. All of this was easily determined until about a month ago, when Ancestry "improved" its search-boxes by removing piece and folio numbers and substituting "places" - of which around 90% have no relevance whatsoever to anything appearing in any English Census..... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richardson" <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:55 PM Subject: [WOR] Census Residence > Hello the list, > > I would be most grateful if SKS could identify this number please? > > HO 107/1133/7 > > I believe it refers to a specific area! > > Thanks in advance > > John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello the list, I would be most grateful if SKS could identify this number please? HO 107/1133/7 I believe it refers to a specific area! Thanks in advance John

Worcester Branch BMSGH March meeting Our next meeting is on Friday, 12th March 2010 when our Chairman, David Phillips, will give us a talk entitled: "Back to Basics - a look at the Phillips family tree" This talk was originally scheduled for our January meeting which was cancelled due to the weather conditions. The members who heard David's earlier talks will know that this is sure to be an enjoyable and instructive evening. David's talk will follow our (brief) "Annual General meeting" Tea/coffee and biscuits will be available. The small charge also buys you a ticket in our raffle and helps to cover some of our expenses. Visitors are welcome to attend the meeting which will be at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, starting at 7.30 pm. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2 Further details at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk Arthur Lewis

Hello The list, Looking back to Worcester in the 1840s or so. I wonder if anyone out there is researching the SHEPPARD family? John Eaton Socon

Our next BMSGH Bromsgrove Branch meeting will be held on Tuesday 9th March 2010 at 7.45 p.m. "The History of the War Graves Commission" by Geoff Longmore Chairman of the Wolverhampton branch of the Western Front Association Started during the early part of the First World War at the instigation of Sir Fabian Ware, the Graves Registration Commission became the Imperial War Graves Commission by Royal Charter in 1917. Today as The Commonwealth War Graves Commission it cares for the graves and memorials to British and Commonwealth war dead around the globe. Geoff Longmore will tell us some of its history and how it has evolved over ninety plus years. (Geoff was scheduled to come to Bromsgrove in February 2009 but we were snowed out!) ******************************* This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Hello Heather, The Enumerator's writing for this ED isn't all that it might be :-( While it's clear and easily visible it's nevertheless hard to work out what his wiggly lines are supposed to represent... However, Mr BEST - and his wife Rose [not Basa as Ancestry have her] - were at Stocks, as Polly reported. 'Stocks Farm' is named on the current OS Maps at both 1:50,00 and 1:25,000 scales - it lies in the flatter part of the Parish. He was by no means the only farmer and hopgrower in Suckley at the time - the 1904 Kelly's Directory of WOR lists no fewer than 8. Your PHILLIPSes are rather more of a problem. There's a cluster of 3 families - with Heads James (1); James (2); & Edward - 4 folios (as opposed to pages) after the BESTs, but their 'addresses' aren't shown on present maps, or on the 2nd Edition OS 6" map of 1903ish. Edward, though, was shown as "next door" to Tundridge Mill - and *that* is shown on the 6", but may no longer be there [or has been VERY expensively converted]. These 3 *look* to be in the hillier part of the Parish, and as a result strike me as being comparatively unlikely candidates to be employed down at Stocks - always assuming that they were living in cottages "tied" to their employment. I use the Online versions of the current OS Maps - accessible at < http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ >, then clicking on the big pink button! Stocks Farm is at Grid Reference SO 723 510, and the site of Tundridge Mill at SO 734 509. How you can access the 1st or 2nd editions of the OS 6" and 1:2,500 I don't know - I seem to remember a site from some years back, but that went to pay-to-view... Another difficulty is their origins. Although they may well have been in the [Civil] Parish of Suckley for 3 generations, the Suckley they were in in 1901 wasn't the same one as that of the 1841-61 Censuses. In 1866 it was split into 3 parts - Alfrick, Lulsley, and Suckley, reducing Suckley's area by 50%. Ecclesiastically it was similarly split in 1912 to create the new [Ecc] 2-church Parish of Alfrick and Lulsley. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Canevaro" <caro@sasktel.net> To: "WORCESTER list" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: [WOR] Re Census image request > Hello, > > Taking advantage of Findmypasts free days. Looking for an employer of AG > Labs in the Suckley area of Worcestershire. I find the following page > with an employer but can't quite figure out where and what it is. > Reference is > > 1901 Census > Mitchalls, Suckley > Martley > RG13 piece 2775 folio 137 page 12 > I think this is a Hops fruit grower farmer??? Mr Best, but can't figure > what the house name is. Any help appreciated. > > This is jut 4 pages before my Phillips family. They have been ag labs > for 3 generations here. Are they likely to have worked for the same > farmer for all this time, or where there enough employers around to > change often?? > > Thanks > Heather in Canada. Hoping to visit this area and would like to see a > farm they may have worked on > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my first time posting to this or any site requesting help so I hope I've got it right! I’m trying to trace any details of the George Cave who reportedly started the strain of Cave apples. He worked at Kew Gardens around 1890 before taking over the Calcutta and Darjeeling botanical gardens. I have a couple photographs of him and his wife Kathrine (Nee Baylis born 1871/2) placing him in Calcutta in 1898. Katherine's father was Samual Bayliss who married Susan Gordon in Studley on the 14th May 1871. >From an article in the Independent newspaper on the 1st October 1994 George Cave in 1923 owned a chemist's business in Dovercourt, just outside Harwich. Around this time this variety of apple was raised although possibly by his daughter (Name unknown). I'm assuming these are the same George Cave. Any information would be grately appreciated. Thanks, Phil Bayliss

Hi Heather The farm is Stocks, and Mr Best is a "Hop & Fruit Grower Farm" and while he is an employer it would be difficult to say that he was the employer of your family, especially when they are living in a different place, or at least I can't find any PHILLIPS families living close by, or even four pages later, although there are several families with that surname in Suckley. Could you be a little more specific as to which family is yours please, and I might be able to help a little more? If you are intending visiting the area I'd be delighted to help you with your plans, and indeed offer you B&B! I have found that it is usually possible to identify exactly where families lived in these rural parishes, although sometimes the cottages no longer survive. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Canevaro" <caro@sasktel.net> To: "WORCESTER list" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: [WOR] Re Census image request Hello, Taking advantage of Findmypasts free days. Looking for an employer of AG Labs in the Suckley area of Worcestershire. I find the following page with an employer but can't quite figure out where and what it is. Reference is 1901 Census Mitchalls, Suckley Martley RG13 piece 2775 folio 137 page 12 I think this is a Hops fruit grower farmer??? Mr Best, but can't figure what the house name is. Any help appreciated. This is jut 4 pages before my Phillips family. They have been ag labs for 3 generations here. Are they likely to have worked for the same farmer for all this time, or where there enough employers around to change often?? Thanks Heather in Canada. Hoping to visit this area and would like to see a farm they may have worked on ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Get your certificate orders in quickly the price is going up on April 6th, £7 to £9.25! See: http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1569.htm Polly

Hello, Taking advantage of Findmypasts free days. Looking for an employer of AG Labs in the Suckley area of Worcestershire. I find the following page with an employer but can't quite figure out where and what it is. Reference is 1901 Census Mitchalls, Suckley Martley RG13 piece 2775 folio 137 page 12 I think this is a Hops fruit grower farmer??? Mr Best, but can't figure what the house name is. Any help appreciated. This is jut 4 pages before my Phillips family. They have been ag labs for 3 generations here. Are they likely to have worked for the same farmer for all this time, or where there enough employers around to change often?? Thanks Heather in Canada. Hoping to visit this area and would like to see a farm they may have worked on

Hello everyone After years away I've just rejoined the list. I have tried to find a baptism for my g/grandfather Charles Townsend born c1835, father John. The 1861 census says he was born at DRYNHAM which I believe is 2k south of Trowbridge Worc. I have read numerous church records on film. No Charles. Would somebody know if there was a church there or what church might have covered that area please? Thank you in anticipation. Kind Regards Margaret Perth Western Australia

On 2010/02/27 11:04, Carinya wrote: > Hello everyone After years away I've just rejoined the list. I have > tried to find a baptism for my g/grandfather Charles Townsend born > c1835, father John. The 1861 census says he was born at DRYNHAM which > I believe is 2k south of Trowbridge Worc. I have read numerous church > records on film. No Charles. Would somebody know if there was a > church there or what church might have covered that area please? Is this the Charles living in Cardiff, Wales? If so, Drynham is given as being in Wiltshire, not Worcestershire. Mapping on Bing, also gives this. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hello Margaret, I couldn't find the entry in the 1861 to be able to confirm the reading - do you have the reference number, as that just might be a help? However, while I agree that there *IS* a hamlet of Drynham just to the south of Trowbridge - Trowbridge is [by English standards at any rate!] quite a long way from Worcestershire, for it's in Wiltshire... Drynham itself was never a parish of any sort - civil or ecclesiastical - but was up at the northern end of the Parish of North Bradley, which unfortunately hasn't had its registers extracted to the IGI. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carinya" <carinya@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: [WOR] Drynham Eng > Hello everyone > After years away I've just rejoined the list. > I have tried to find a baptism for my g/grandfather Charles Townsend born > c1835, father John. The 1861 census says he was born at DRYNHAM which I > believe is 2k south of Trowbridge Worc. I have read numerous church > records on film. No Charles. Would somebody know if there was a church > there or what church might have covered that area please? > Thank you in anticipation. > Kind Regards > Margaret > Perth Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching the JEFFREY / JEFFRIES names (of any spellings) in south Worcestershire? My NEW line on the distaff side trace back to a Sarah JEFFRES, ch. 14 Jan 1778 at Fladbury, dau. of George & Mary JEFFRES. She married at Offenham in 1793 James HARRIS who became a farmer at Badsey. A collateral NEW line in Evesham on their distaff side trace back to a Sarah JEFFREY, ch. 1762 at Badsey, dau. of Arthur JEFFREY & Sarah COWLEY. Sarah married at Badsey 10 Aug 1785 James Knight, b. 1760, of Badsey. A sister of Sarah's was christened Mary JEFFERYES 1770 at Badsey. When their parents were buried they were named as JEFFREYS and JEFFRIES respectively. A son of Arthur, and a brother of Sarah and Mary, was married in 1793 as Arthur GEOFFREY (1765-1837) to Elizabeth Davis at Fladbury. Five of their children were christened at Fladbury from 1795 to 1805. The coincidence of these names in both Fladbury and Badsey would be explained if George JEFFRES and Arthur JEFFREY (1735? - 1775) were brothers, or some other relationship, but the I.G.I. is of no further help. Mapping the name(s) from the 1881 Census using the Surname Atlas from www.archersoftware.co.uk shows that there were 12,000 or more across the nation but comparatively few in that part of Worcestershire - just 5 in Evesham and 10 in Pershore. Bob New

Hi I have just got a certificate that is not what I was looking for (how familiar an occurrence is that?). So if anyone has: John Taylor born 12 June 1853 to William Taylor and Maria Taylor nee Rudd from Bentons, Wichenford (Martley district - Holt - sub-district) please get in touch. David

Hi I've have seen several references to this window over the years, but I've never seen it in or even a photograph of it. I recently registered a one name study for the YARNOLD name and the YARNELL and YARNALL derivatives and I'd like to use a copy of a photograph on the soon to be established web site. One contact has suggested that the church has been sold and is now used as a greenhouse - does anyone know if this change of use is genuine or was somebody 'pulling my leg'. Does anyone have a window photograph I could use on the site or know if access to the building for photography is possible. ******************************************** * John Dobson * * * * http://www.thedobsons.me.uk * * * ********************************************

John Redditch Library has The Redditch Indicator on microfilm: http://opac.worcestershire.gov.uk/TalisPrism/browseResults.do?&expandedWorkI D=0.6&browse_action=9057&rootRSetId=126ba48ce4100000&browse_RootRSetId=126ba 48ce4100000&displayRowPath=0&pageSize=10&menuBarTag=search&displaySearchAsTe xt=false&openRowPathSet=0:0 It's also available at The British Library in London: http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/38T2578D5BIJ6J73LBK5P75GTQVBGCK2YE262BTIEJ6YFPPLKJ- 40178?func=find-b&request=redditch+indicator&find_code=WRD&adjacent=Y&image. x=40&image.y=7 Regards, Derek -----Original Message----- From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jack.smith@ukonline.co.uk Sent: 10 February 2010 21:23 To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Redditch Indicator can someone tell me where I can see copies of this newspaper. I am interested in the 1960 & 1970 Best Wishes John ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2679 - Release Date: 02/10/10 07:40:00

can someone tell me where I can see copies of this newspaper. I am interested in the 1960 & 1970 Best Wishes John ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net