Thanks Peter but the Wiltshire family is a completely different one that I am already aware of, so still looking for the Kidderminster link. Would like info on marriage of James CHALK(E) to Harriot abt 1821 Children - Charles 1822, William 1825, Harriot 1826, Sarah 1828 Also looking for parents of John CHALK(E) 1826 Kidderminster Thankyou in anticipation Nigel Chalk

I am researching CHALK(E) family Looking for info on family in Kidderminster area. Would like info on marriage of James CHALK(E) to Harriot abt 1821 Children - Charles 1822, William 1825, Harriot 1826, Sarah 1828 Also looking for parents of John CHALK(E) 1826 Kidderminster Thankyou in anticipation Nigel Chalk

Evening, My thanks to Chris,Peter and Gus for their replies. I apologise for the lack of detail in my original message.... I didn't consider it important. However,I will remember in future. For the record...Henry was born Ilminster ,Somerset 1791,son of Charles Barber and Catherine (Cleal). I have traced him until his death in Chard, Somerset june Qrt 1869 aged 77. The only mention of his wife Ann,that I have found is the 1841......that is why I need the marriage,please! Charles Adams,my ggg/father is descended from George Adams and Judyth Hawkins, m 4th Oct 1580 at Honnington Again, thank you for taking the trouble to reply Roy Cwmbran

On 18 Apr, R Davies <davies_r11@sky.com> wrote: > Hello, > I am new to this list and I am hoping someone will be able > to help me or, at least,point me in the right direction. > I am looking for the marriage of Henry Barber b 1791 at > Ilminster,Somerset. In the 1841 census Henry was at Shipston on Stour > with wife Ann and daughter Elizabeth. Elizabeth was 20yrs of age and b > Shipston.Also there was Charles Adams,son in law,also b Shipston > (although in the 1871 census he was b at Honnington). > I have no idea of Henry's wife, Ann's maiden name. > Henry was a hatter....he was at Shipston in the 1851 > Census but back at Ilminster during the 1861 census. > Thank you, in anticipation > Roy > Cwmbran Just a thought - what other evidence do you have that he was in Ilminster, Somerset? There is a village of ILMINGTON near Shipston-on-Stour. -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Hello Roy, Unless I'm looking at the wrong Henry BARBER the 1841 & 1851 don't give the information you quote:-( 1841 Census HO107/1203-12/8; p. 8 Husband Mans End, Shipston on Stour, WOR Henry BARBER, 50, M, J-Hatter, N Ann BARBER, 40, F, [nil], Y And - er - that's it...... All that can be deduced from this is that Henry was between 50 and 54, born "out of Worcestershire", and a [probably Journeyman] Hatter; while Ann was between 5 and 10 years his junior, born "in Worcestershire". Ancestry had him initially indexed as BARBEE, but "Ian541" amended this to BARBER, and added his birthplace of Ilminster, SOM on 7 Mar this year. In 1851 what would look to be the same man is shown: 1851 Census HO107/2076/527/49 Back Road, Shipston on Stour, WOR Henry BARBER, Head, M, 60, M, Hatter, SOM, Ilminster Elizabeth BARBER, Dau, M, 32, F, Dressmaker, WOR, Shipston Richard ADAMS, GSon, -, 9, M, Scholar, WOR, Shipston William ADAMS, GSon, -, 3, M, Scholar, WOR, Shipston Granted that there was a Charles ADAMS in the 1841: 1841 Census HO107/1203-12/14; p. 21 Husband Mans End, Shipston on Stour, WOR Charles ADAMS, 25, M, Mason, N Elizabeth [BLANK], 20, F, [nil], Y Elizabeth's 'surname' is anomalous - in all other households where surnames are the same these are indicated by "-do-" - so it just may have been a little camouflage that she'd spent Census night "under his roof"... There again, the marriage of an Elizabeth BARBER was recorded in Shipston District in 1839 DecQ, 11 533, and the [apparently incomplete] list of grooms under that reference includes a Charles ADAMS, so the anomaly may just be down to a slip by the enumerator. OTOH, his entry agrees with your later report of his birthplace as 'Honnington', for Honington - in WAR - was on the immediately-opposite bank of the Stour from Shipston. And it looks as if Henry had messed-up his Householder's Return in 1851... None of which, of course, answers your basic question! However, there is a more-than-reasonable possibility - based on Ann's reportedly having been born 'in County', and Elizabeth's stated birthplace - that the marriage would've taken place in Worcestershire. In that case, it should be in the WOR Marriages Index, and if it helps I will look there when next at Worcester History Centre [probably on Tuesday or Wednesday]. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Davies" <davies_r11@sky.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: [WOR] Henry BARBER b1791 > Hello, > I am new to this list and I am hoping someone will be able > to help me or, at least,point me in the right direction. > I am looking for the marriage of Henry Barber b 1791 at > Ilminster,Somerset. In the 1841 census Henry was at Shipston on Stour > with wife Ann and daughter Elizabeth. Elizabeth was 20yrs of age and b > Shipston.Also there was Charles Adams,son in law,also b Shipston > (although in the 1871 census he was b at Honnington). > I have no idea of Henry's wife, Ann's maiden name. > Henry was a hatter....he was at Shipston in the 1851 > Census but back at Ilminster during the 1861 census. > Thank you, in anticipation > Roy > Cwmbran > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am new to this list and I am hoping someone will be able to help me or, at least,point me in the right direction. I am looking for the marriage of Henry Barber b 1791 at Ilminster,Somerset. In the 1841 census Henry was at Shipston on Stour with wife Ann and daughter Elizabeth. Elizabeth was 20yrs of age and b Shipston.Also there was Charles Adams,son in law,also b Shipston (although in the 1871 census he was b at Honnington). I have no idea of Henry's wife, Ann's maiden name. Henry was a hatter....he was at Shipston in the 1851 Census but back at Ilminster during the 1861 census. Thank you, in anticipation Roy Cwmbran

Hi Peter Thanks for your help, I think you are right on reflection the Thomas in Bristol is probably not Thomas Snrs son. Worcester record office has a huge collection of deeds in no particular logical order due to the age of the collection. I think I am going to have to spend some more time going through it and hope to get lucky. I know it is like searching for a needle in a haystack with very few clues, a couple of listers have come up with a few ideas, the Astley connection looks interesting. Thanks Mark --- On Sat, 10/4/10, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > From: Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [WOR] Spilsbury > To: "Mark Jennings" <m_jenningsuk@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Saturday, 10 April, 2010, 12:13 > Mark, > >    Sorry Mark. I've tried everything I know > and looked everywhere. I don't think there is going to be > any easy answer. I think some accurate detailed research > will be required. > >    I can't see the Thomas (Snr) in > Belboughton in 1841, being the same as the Thomas living in > Bristol in 1851. Nothing else matches. And the Bristol one > has a son Thomas who is born c1829, not c1812 as in 1841 > census. > >    If the will is dated 1868, the one thing > we should be able to assume is that both are still living. > So logically they should both be in 1841, 1851 and 1861 and > possibly even 1871. > >    Free BMD has a Thomas Spilsbury death in > 1867 aged 82, and another in 1874 aged 55. These sort of > fit, although in 1874 the younger Thomas should be 62. But > try matching them to census records. > >    The only clue I did come up with is that > in 1841 census there is a Sarah Spilsbury aged 20 living > with the two Thomases. But IGI doesn't have a birth record. > >    Peter > > > > >

Hi Folks Our *Annual General Meeting* is on Tuesday 13th April 2010 at the Stratford Road Methodist Centre, Bromsgrove. Doors open 7.45pm http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ This meeting is usually brief and will be followed by an open meeting * "Travelling Magic Lantern Show - Pictures of Worcestershire"* by our own member *Mike Fisher* - A tour of the highways, byways, towns, villages and buildings of Worcestershire as in times gone by. Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for north Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/

Hi Listers, I too have SPILSBURYS and BURYS. You mentioned an Elizabeth Spilsbury - mine married John Bury on April 4, 1768 at Rock, Worcs. They had two children, Joseph and John. We don't know when John died but Elizabeth remarried, a William Hammond, on August 24, 1772 at Astley, Worcs. They had five children all baptized at Powick, Worcs. We don't know where John and Joseph were baptized but they are mentioned in their grandfather's will. The two Thomas' that I have in the family were both baptized at Rock, 1777 and 1793. Due to this being a collateral line I haven't done too much work on it. Any connections here? Pauline from sunny Florida

Hi List.. Can anyone tell me if there were any army bases in or near Oldswinford or Lye area around 1826-1830 time.. Thanks muchly Mary OZ

Hi Mark Sorry - I seem to have come into the middle of an exchange. I haven't done a lot of work on my SPILSBURY ancestors, who include my 10GGP, Thomas and Mary SPILSBURY, who had issue between 1610 and 1622, Rock; my 9GGP, Thomas and Joan SPILSBURY, who died 1690 and 1700, respectively, bur Rock; my 8GGM, Mary SPILSBURY, bp 1641, Rock, m 1674 Great Witley to Francis YARNOLD. I mention them in case you notice some sort of link. I do hope I haven't complicated matters!! Kind regards Joy ---- Mark Jennings <m_jenningsuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Listers > > The reason I have given you no other information on this is because I don't really have much, only thoughts with no proof. > > This is what i know. > > Both Thomas' (Butchers) are listed in a will (one as executor) written by the brother (Joseph Bury, whose birth I can't find somewhere in the late 1700's, a farmer and land owner between Belbroughton and Chaddesley Corbett) of my fourth great grandfather (John Bury a butcher from Chaddesley Corbett and later Kinver). I have proved the relationship between John and Joseph through legal documents at Worcester Record Office. > > My suspicion is that Josephs brother John may be the John who married Mary Spilsbury at Stoke Prior in 1795 on the IGI and Thomas spilsbury Snr could be a brother of Mary. To have been an executor of a considerable estate would have implied great trust and maybe a family connection. The IGI throws quite a few options up for Thomas and Mary Spilsburys, but with no further information I was hoping someone may recognise the family. > > It is all rather complex and if correct would mean that John Bury would have been married twice as he married Elizabeth Watkins at Wolverley in 1802. > > I hope this throws light on my thinking but I know does not really help much. > > Regards > > Mark > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter The will is Online Document PROB 11/1868 Will of Joseph Bury Farmer Bellbroughton , Worcestershire . Will of Joseph Bury Farmer Bellbroughton , Worcestershire Date: 1836 I don't know Thomas snr's mother because I don't know who Thomas was, except he was a butcher, his age on the 1841 is 60 so he may or may not be the one someone has put in the igi b 1765, (The marriage to Frances Teft is probably correct) his son was 25-30 on the 1841, if i recall correctly so may well be the one born at Belbroughton to Thomas and Frances Teft. In the 1851 the son is 39 b Belbroughton living with a housekeeper called Elizabeth Crane he probably had no brothers and sisters if the IGI is correct. 1851 for the father shows two options Thomas Spilsbury  abt 1781 Feckenham, Worcestershire, England Pauper Bromsgrove, Worcestershire  or The more likely (a proprietor of houses) Name: Thomas Spilsbury Age: 64 Estimated birth year: abt 1787 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Bewdley, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and St Jacob Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Clifton Sub-registration district: St Philip and Jacob ED, institution, or vessel: 1q Household schedule number: 129 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Spilsbury 64 Mary Spilsbury 49 Thomas Spilsbury 22 John Spilsbury 20 Louisa Spilsbury 19 Mary Spilsbury 18 Martha Coggin 14 My guess is that Thomas Snr is one of the one's who was born in the 1780's the issue is which one. If he was christened at Bewdley at the presbyterian then the Mary also christened there on the igi could be his sister. However another Spilsbury marries a Berry earlier, I will leave that for now. Mark PS do you have any Spilsburys or Bury's/Berry's in your family ?

Joy No you have not, I am just looking for anyone who recognises these people as maybe being in there research. It is the right part of the world. Have you found any butchers in the family. Mark

Hi Listers The reason I have given you no other information on this is because I don't really have much, only thoughts with no proof. This is what i know. Both Thomas' (Butchers) are listed in a will (one as executor) written by the brother (Joseph Bury, whose birth I can't find somewhere in the late 1700's, a farmer and land owner between Belbroughton and Chaddesley Corbett) of my fourth great grandfather (John Bury a butcher from Chaddesley Corbett and later Kinver). I have proved the relationship between John and Joseph through legal documents at Worcester Record Office. My suspicion is that Josephs brother John may be the John who married Mary Spilsbury at Stoke Prior in 1795 on the IGI and Thomas spilsbury Snr could be a brother of Mary. To have been an executor of a considerable estate would have implied great trust and maybe a family connection. The IGI throws quite a few options up for Thomas and Mary Spilsburys, but with no further information I was hoping someone may recognise the family. It is all rather complex and if correct would mean that John Bury would have been married twice as he married Elizabeth Watkins at Wolverley in 1802. I hope this throws light on my thinking but I know does not really help much. Regards Mark

Hi listers If anyone has any information about Thomas Spilsbury senior and Thomas Spilsbury junior who appear in the 1841 census for doddingtree, Belbroughton, both butchers, I would really appreciate them contacting me. I am very interested in any daughters Thomas Senior may have had. Regards Mark.

Hi Greg www.freereg.org.uk has Holy Cross 1701-1851, St Andrews 1813-37. GREG COOPER wrote: > Hello Listers, > > Does anyone know of an on-line/CD source of Parish Register Transcripts for > marriages for the county, initially covering the period 1790-1837 and > particularly for Pershore (both Holy Cross and St.Andrews) ? > > I have a subcription to 'The Genealogist' which has some coverage of > baptisms, but not much on marriages.......... > > Regards, > > Greg Cooper > (in Cheshire) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Listers, Does anyone know of an on-line/CD source of Parish Register Transcripts for marriages for the county, initially covering the period 1790-1837 and particularly for Pershore (both Holy Cross and St.Andrews) ? I have a subcription to 'The Genealogist' which has some coverage of baptisms, but not much on marriages.......... Regards, Greg Cooper (in Cheshire)

Worcester Branch of BMSGH At our meeting on Friday, 9th April 2010. Vanessa Morgan will give us a talk entitled: "In the parish chest and other places" Vanessa is a professional genealogist who specialises in the Worcestershire, Warwickshire and Birmingham areas. She has been a family historian for twenty years Peter Taylor will again be manning our Lending Library. Tea/coffee and biscuits will be available. The small charge also buys you a ticket in our raffle and helps to cover some of our expenses. Visitors are welcome to attend the meeting which will be at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, starting at 7.30 pm. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2 Arthur Lewis

I have found a christening of John Sandford Moggridge at St. Swithins, Worcester on 27th December 1780. There is also a marriage of John Moggridge and Mary Southan at St. Swithins on 15th September 1771. If some kind person has a bit of time available at the FHC, I wonder if they could do a look-up for me. I would be particularly interested in knowing where the pair of them were resident at the time of their marriage. Thanks so much if anyone can help Regards Dennis

Hi Doreen, many thanks for the info on Lewis Sockett and Elizabeth Gill Olwyn