Hi Roy >>I don't see your difficulty at all, I'm afraid because she is easily >>traced in the records.<< Surely his difficulty is that he is trying to find an Ada HUGHES who was born in Cirencester? Kind regards Polly

List, I may be under a misapprehension - though I think not - but I understood 1911 lookups were expressly forbidden by the company anyway. Surely by now that must be well-known by anyone tracing their family history online. Enjoy the trail, Katie The Netherlands --Original Message--From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: dinsdag 3 augustus 2010 14:38 To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WOR] 1911 Census Roy, Well done. I hope your efforts are appreciated and not simply dismissed as the wrong person. I must admit I'm very reluctant to help people who expect a "free" lookup when they are not prepared to spend a few dollars to look for themselves. Don't they realise that it's not free. We have to pay to have access to the data. Peter in Sydney

I don't see how they can forbid look-ups as such - that would logically mean you were infringing terms just by passing any information from the site on even to a close family member. Surely what they forbid is charging a fee to do look-ups. If I have a spare moment, which doesn't happen all that often but did happen this morning, I am perfectly happy to do a favour to someone by passing on (free) a snippet of information which I happen to have easy access to anyway - I have paid the same subscription whether I do the extra look-up or not. And I am sure there are many people who feel the same way. I don't have time to do the detailed extras that Roy has so kindly given, but that is his choice, and I am sure that the questioner must appreciate his valuable help. I may be under a misapprehension, but I did think that genealogy lists were about co-operation... Emily Katie de Haan wrote: > List, > > I may be under a misapprehension - though I think not - but I understood > 1911 lookups were expressly forbidden by the company anyway. > Surely by now that must be well-known by anyone tracing their family history > online. > > Enjoy the trail, > Katie > The Netherlands > > > > --Original Message--From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: > dinsdag 3 augustus 2010 14:38 To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WOR] 1911 Census Roy, > Well done. I hope your efforts are appreciated and not simply dismissed as > the wrong person. I must admit I'm very reluctant to help people who > expect a "free" lookup when they are not prepared to spend a few dollars to > look for themselves. Don't they realise that it's not free. We have to > pay to have access to the data. Peter in Sydney > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 3 Aug 2010 at 22:38, Peter Booth wrote: > Roy, > > Well done. I hope your efforts are appreciated and not simply > dismissed > as the wrong person. > > I must admit I'm very reluctant to help people who expect a "free" > > lookup when they are not prepared to spend a few dollars to look for > themselves. > > Don't they realise that it's not free. We have to pay to have > access to > the data. > > Peter in Sydney > Many thanks for your kind words, Peter. No response as yet but perhaps the original enquirer is now trying to check out my research for himself, as indeed he should. In general I agree with your comments about look-ups. I don't mind the occasional one but it's the scroungers who post multiple requests to several lists and never say "thank you" that really bug me! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 3 Aug 2010 at 15:12, Katie de Haan wrote: > I may be under a misapprehension - though I think not - but I > understood 1911 lookups were expressly forbidden by the company > anyway. Surely by now that must be well-known by anyone tracing their > family history online. > > Enjoy the trail, > Katie > The Netherlands < Technically, you are correct, but I don't think I will be in too much trouble with FMP because I have a very good relationship with them, have undertaken commissioned research for them and sometimes give them publicity when I am writing for Practical Family History, which I do every month. I've even done a DVD interview for them which I understand will be appearing on their website at some stage. Certainly I would not breach any agreement by sending an image to another person. However, on this occasion I felt justified in citing a few facts from the 1911 census because it was vital in establishing that I had the right person, especially the number of years the couple had been married. This, coupled with my researches at FreeBMD and in the other censuses, rounded off a trail through the records to point the original enquirer in the right direction. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> > On 3 Aug 2010 at 10:46, Syd Hockey wrote: > > > > > Hello Everybody, > > > In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for > > > ADA CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS > > > NORTON, could any kind person let me know > > > where she was born. Thank you for any help. > > > Regards, > > > Syd > > > Further to my earlier detailed reply, following Ada's trail through the censuses and FreeBMD, I now see that in 1901 William G Campion, aged 45, carpet factor, born Birmingham, was a widower - so I was right in guessing that Ada Hughes was his second wife. In 1891 his first wife was still alive and called Ellen T Campion. FreeBMD has the marriage in 1879 of William George Campion and Ellen Teresa Brown at King's Norton RD. Ellen died in 1898 in Solihull Rd. Ancestry's death indexes 1916-2005 has 28 Ada Campions but my guess would be that she is the one who died in Birmingham in the Sep quarter of 1946, aged 77, which ties in very nearly with her birth in 1869. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> On 3 Aug 2010 at 10:46, Syd Hockey wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, > > In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for > > ADA CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS > > NORTON, could any kind person let me know where > > she was born. Thank you for any help. > > Regards, > > Syd > > Syd Since I see that you have confirmed the woman whose birthplace you seek was Ada Hughes, I am sure this is the right person..... Births Jun 1869 HUGHES ADA, Leominster vol 6a page 516 (Leominster RD included Shobdon). 1871 census - she is found at Leddicott, Shobdon, aged 1, birthplace Shobdon, with parents Edward and Lucy Hughes and 4 siblings (RG10, piece 2719, folio 44, page 8). Her father Edward was a farmer in seemingly quite a big way, farming 337 acres and employing 8 men and 2 boys. 1881 census - she's at a pupil at a private school in Leominster, aged 11, birthplace again given as Shobdon, with elder sister Lucy (RG11 piece 2606, folio 6, page 3). 1891 census - she's a live-in companion at Hereford to a widow of 81 called Margaret LODD or TODD, now aged 21, birthplace Shobdon (RG12 piece 2059, folio 63, page 15). 1901 census - she's a visitor in the home of Edward and Hannah BOOTH at Handsworth, West Bromwich, now 31, single, hospital nurse, birthplace Shobdon (RG13 folio 2709, folio 104, page 36). Marriages Sep 1908 William George Campion and Ada Hughes - Gloucester RD vol 6a page 651. 1911 - William and Ada are in Edgbaston, Kings Norton reg district, he a carpet factor and employer aged 56, she 41, born Shrobden [sic] Herefordshire. They say they've been married two years. It looks as if Ada had a fairly privileged upbringing, became a nurse and married later in life to a man of good position. FreeBMD has a marriage for William George Campion in the Sep quarter 1879 in King's Norton RD (vol 6c page 527), so possibly Ada was his second wife. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 3 Aug 2010 at 10:46, Syd Hockey wrote: > Hello Everybody, > In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for ADA > CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS NORTON, > could any kind person let me know where she was > born. Thank you for any help. > Regards, > Syd > It says quite clearly that her birthplace was Shrobden, Herefordshire, but I think this should be SHOBDON. I can't find a Shrobden in Herefordshire but there is a Shobdon, near Leominster. FreeBMD has the marriage of WILLIAM GEORGE CAMPION to ADA HUGHES in the Sep quarter of 1908 at Gloucester RD, which is confirmed by the fact in the 1911 census entry that says they have been married two years. If you then find her in 1901 she appears as a hospital nurse, aged 31, visitor, single, in the home of a couple called Edward and Hannah BOOTH at Handsworth. This gives her birthplace as SHOBDON, Herefordshire. She appears with all matching details in 1891 and 1881 as well. In 1881 she was a scholar at a private school at Leominster, along with what looks to be an elder sister called Lucy, and in 1891 she was a companion to a widow. In 1871 she's with her parents Edward and Lucy Hughes in Shobdon aged one. Finally, FreeBMD has her birth at Leominster RD in the June quarter of 1869. I don't see your difficulty at all, I'm afraid because she is easily traced in the records. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thank you for your kind help but this is not the lady that I am looking for, I was hoping her birthplace was CIRENCESTER. (her maiden name was HUGHES) once again many thanks. Regards, Syd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Kearns" <emily.kearns@st-hildas.ox.ac.uk> To: "Syd Hockey" <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] 1911 Census It's rather difficult to read, but looks like Shrobden, Herefordshire. I'm sure of the county, and the transcription agrees with me on the village name. Would you like a copy of the image? Best regards, Emily Syd Hockey wrote: > Hello Everybody, > In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for ADA > CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS NORTON, could any kind person let > me know where she was born. Thank you for any help. > Regards, > Syd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's rather difficult to read, but looks like Shrobden, Herefordshire. I'm sure of the county, and the transcription agrees with me on the village name. Would you like a copy of the image? Best regards, Emily Syd Hockey wrote: > Hello Everybody, > In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for ADA CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS NORTON, could any kind person let me know where she was born. Thank you for any help. > Regards, > Syd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everybody, In the 1911 census Index there is a entry for ADA CAMPION b, 1870, aged 41. District KINGS NORTON, could any kind person let me know where she was born. Thank you for any help. Regards, Syd

Hi Folks, Please can anyone able to look up the bride and groom's ages and parents for a June quarter wedding in 1922, which took place at St. Thomas, Stourbridge? Hilda B. HANDS and William G. HILL. Many thanks Mike

Thanks for reminding me, we have access to it at home through our local library here in NZ. I checked and there are several references to my Gt Gt grandfather John ARTHUR at the Hundred House hotel in Great Whitley. Raewyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3020 - Release Date: 07/22/10 06:36:00

Paxie, I presume you've seen the Kelsey family tree on Rootsweb and have contacted the author Nicholas. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kelsey_families&id=I9690 Unfortunately, like you, he only gets back to 1806 and John Kelsey. The problem seems to be lack of IGI records for Broadwas. Looking on the Hugh Wallis site you find only one christening batch C021171 covering 1612-1700. It contains 219 records but no Kelsey's. My first move would be to get at map and look in surrounding parishes. I would also use the Family Search Library Resource Catalogue and search for place name Broadwas, to see if records exist in another form. Failing that, you might get some clues by looking at all Kelsey families in Worcester in 1841 census. Admittedly it doesn't give birthplace, and John's parents would be aged 60+, but you might find some elderly individuals or even potential siblings or cousins of John that could provide clues. As a wildcard, try a search at Google for Kelsey, Broadwas. Peter in Sydney

Thank you very much to Guy and Kathleen for their prompt and helpful information regarding Alfred J B Hewitt which I shall now follow up enthusiastically. regards Alan

Hello I am new to your list and hope someone can help me. I am researching my husband's family and have managed to find his great grandfather John KELSEY born in 1806 in Broadmas, Worcestershire as per the 1881 census. I am now stuck with no parents for him and wonder if anyone could look up parish records and help me connect him back a generation. He was married to Ann GROSVENOR on 8 Nov 1825 and after she died in 1867 he married Mary Ann DRINKWATER in abt Dec 1869 in Droitwich. I have found numerous children at this point but am not able to go back on John. I live near Johannesburg in South Africa and if there is anything I may be able to help with in reciprocity, out of the Pretoria Archives, please do not hesitate to ask. Kind regards, Paxie Mrs PAE Kelsey 23 Defiant Avenue, Airfield, Benoni, 1501, Gauteng South Africa Cell: 082 956 3354 Tel: 011 849 9962 Fax: 086 515 4577 Researching: SMITH, THECK, LINCK, HENWICK, HILL, TURNER, BEST, PAXTON, KELSEY, DEMPSTER

Incidentally All being well I should have part of my 18th Century Berrow's Collection digitalized at some point 1756 - 1790's (with large gaps of course !) and if that goes well I may seek to add early 19th century material as well Best Regards Richard H -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Jones" <ziksby@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:20 AM To: "Worcester List" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Subject: [WOR] Berrow's Worcester Journal online. > The British Library's 19th Century Newspapers project (2nd release) has > added Berrow's Worcester Journal (1822-1896) to its collection. This is a > subscription website at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ unless your local > library has it. I have a Birmingham Library card and I can access the site > free from home (as well as much more good stuff). Just this week I've > found > full reports of 2 bankruptcy hearings involving my ancestors and the > report > of an 1852 court case involving larceny and assault resulting in > imprisonment of one of my wife's ancestors. > > Roger Jones > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 21 Jul 2010 at 13:24, Mike in Droitwich wrote: > I have been in touch with Worcestershire County Council Library > service about getting this as part of their online service but after > investigation they say they can't afford the fee Gale want as there is > very little demand for it (I been the only person to ask). So it will > not be available to local people. > > Mike in Droitwich > > Roger Jones wrote: > > The British Library's 19th Century Newspapers project (2nd release) > > has added Berrow's Worcester Journal (1822-1896) to its collection. > > This is a subscription website at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ > > unless your local library has it. I have a Birmingham Library card > > and I can access the site free from home (as well as much more good > > stuff). Just this week I've found full reports of 2 bankruptcy > > hearings involving my ancestors and the report of an 1852 court case > > involving larceny and assault resulting in imprisonment of one of my > > wife's ancestors. > > There is a simple solution to your problem, Mike, which is to join the county library service of a large and more populous county that can afford it. I joined Lancashire County Libraries some time last year as a virtual member, even though I do not live in Lancashire - for a Yorkshireman, perish the thought!!! - and access the 19th Century Newspapers website with no problems. I have just checked and Berrow's Worcester Journal is indeed there. You find the website for Lancashire County Libraries and sign up. You have to nominate yourself as a member of a particular library (I chose Burnley) but then they send you a membership card with a number that you use to sign in to the newspaper site. Good luck! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi I have been in touch with Worcestershire County Council Library service about getting this as part of their online service but after investigation they say they can't afford the fee Gale want as there is very little demand for it (I been the only person to ask). So it will not be available to local people. Mike in Droitwich Roger Jones wrote: > The British Library's 19th Century Newspapers project (2nd release) has > added Berrow's Worcester Journal (1822-1896) to its collection. This is a > subscription website at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ unless your local > library has it. I have a Birmingham Library card and I can access the site > free from home (as well as much more good stuff). Just this week I've found > full reports of 2 bankruptcy hearings involving my ancestors and the report > of an 1852 court case involving larceny and assault resulting in > imprisonment of one of my wife's ancestors. > > Roger Jones > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The British Library's 19th Century Newspapers project (2nd release) has added Berrow's Worcester Journal (1822-1896) to its collection. This is a subscription website at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ unless your local library has it. I have a Birmingham Library card and I can access the site free from home (as well as much more good stuff). Just this week I've found full reports of 2 bankruptcy hearings involving my ancestors and the report of an 1852 court case involving larceny and assault resulting in imprisonment of one of my wife's ancestors. Roger Jones