Details sent off-list. Velda -----Original Message----- From: Don Tomkinson Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:48 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] OLD SWINFORD PR I would be very grateful if a kind lister with access to the Old Swinford PR could help me over a brick wall and look up for me the full details of the following marriages, which are not on Ancestry or Findmypast for some reson, i.e. status, names of parents, residence, witnesses, etc., if noted: JOHN TOMKINSON married ANN DIMMOCK 12 Oct 1789. WILLIAM TOMKINSON married ELIZABETH IRON 12 Oct 1789. Don Tomkinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be very grateful if a kind lister with access to the Old Swinford PR could help me over a brick wall and look up for me the full details of the following marriages, which are not on Ancestry or Findmypast for some reson, i.e. status, names of parents, residence, witnesses, etc., if noted: JOHN TOMKINSON married ANN DIMMOCK 12 Oct 1789. WILLIAM TOMKINSON married ELIZABETH IRON 12 Oct 1789. Don Tomkinson

Er - Ooops - pushed the button too quickly! Many thanks Ann for your so-swift reply - I'll be ringing them tomorrow! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: Gus Tysoe Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Errors in Ancestry Births Index Gus I have had a look. If you log in there is a tiny HELP near the top. Clicking on it takes you to Q & A. Scroll down and there is a CONTACT US. **** Ann **** ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus Tysoe To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: [WOR] Errors in Ancestry Births Index Before any queries are raised concerning 'relevance', this has a strong WOR connection, in that it relates to Oldbury Registration District... Does anyone know how to contact ancestry.uk to point out systematic errors in their indexes - other than the 'Comments' box on individual entries? I ask because I have just located between 350 and 370 cases of 1946 births Aug-Dec in Oldbury District being labelled "Yorkshire"... The District's volume number had been changed on 1 July year from 6c to 9d [which was up to then a Yorkshire volume] and this change has clearly been missed in Ancestry's transcription of births, although both marriages and deaths are correctly shown as Worcestershire and with the appropriate volume numbers for each quarter. Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: Gus Tysoe Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Errors in Ancestry Births Index Gus I have had a look. If you log in there is a tiny HELP near the top. Clicking on it takes you to Q & A. Scroll down and there is a CONTACT US. **** Ann **** ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus Tysoe To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: [WOR] Errors in Ancestry Births Index Before any queries are raised concerning 'relevance', this has a strong WOR connection, in that it relates to Oldbury Registration District... Does anyone know how to contact ancestry.uk to point out systematic errors in their indexes - other than the 'Comments' box on individual entries? I ask because I have just located between 350 and 370 cases of 1946 births Aug-Dec in Oldbury District being labelled "Yorkshire"... The District's volume number had been changed on 1 July year from 6c to 9d [which was up to then a Yorkshire volume] and this change has clearly been missed in Ancestry's transcription of births, although both marriages and deaths are correctly shown as Worcestershire and with the appropriate volume numbers for each quarter. Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Before any queries are raised concerning 'relevance', this has a strong WOR connection, in that it relates to Oldbury Registration District... Does anyone know how to contact ancestry.uk to point out systematic errors in their indexes - other than the 'Comments' box on individual entries? I ask because I have just located between 350 and 370 cases of 1946 births Aug-Dec in Oldbury District being labelled "Yorkshire"... The District's volume number had been changed on 1 July year from 6c to 9d [which was up to then a Yorkshire volume] and this change has clearly been missed in Ancestry's transcription of births, although both marriages and deaths are correctly shown as Worcestershire and with the appropriate volume numbers for each quarter. Gus

Thankyou Graham (and agree) with the reasons for placing surnames in the subject line, rather than the annoying school mistress approach. The search archives are a valuable source. I have Weaver and Tomlins (plural) in my lot, but haven't found any living ones from this line, nor know little past. My Martha Tomlins married Frederick William Bathurst Poole Dec qtr 1840 at Madeley. The Ironbridge 'Museum of the Gorge' on the edge of the Severn was 'Tomlins Garage' about 100yrs ago. ---- Also, my gggggparents Elizabeth Weaver and William Hinton are on IGI, as marrying 8 Feb 1808 at Kidderminster, WOR (probably St.Marys CoE church). -------The following is a paragraph from page 91 of the Worcestershire 'Hunt End Book' - "Stourport-on-Severn" by Anne Bradford. I hope Anne wont mind. ------"MILL ROAD. Mill Road, leads of course, to the old site of Mitton Mill. The residents of Mill Road may not know that the one-time Mayor of Philadelphia, city and port of USA, came from their midst (ie. Stourport, Worcestershire). John Weaver was the fourth son of Benjamin Weaver who lived in Mill Road. His first employment was as an office boy at Wilden Iron Works, then he became a clerk in the office of the Severn & Canal Carrying Company. He came to Philadelphia, tried several jobs but wasn't satisfied until he went to work in a lawyer's office. He taught himself shorthand and typing so that he could improve his position, then he decided he wanted to be a fully-fledged lawyer and he studied in evening classes for five years until he was qualified. Although John Weaver was quiet and unassuming he was a man of steel. In a city which was notorious for its bribery, corruption, betting and gambling, John Weaver stood out as an honest, straightforward Christian and he was eventually elected as mayor. One year, he went on holiday in the Rockies and the council took the opportunity of his absence to authorise the sale of the town's gas works which would bring in a large revenue but increase the cost of gas to the townsfolk. Weavers' friends sent him a telegram to let him know what was going on, he rushed back and caught his colleagues unawares. Another time he managed to quell a riot of about a thousand black workers single-handedly. The townsfolk hailed him as a hero." Richard Poole, NZ.

Hi Folks, Tuesday 9th November at 7.45 p.m. "A Pilgrimage to Ieper -- A Tale of Two Candlesticks" by David Humphries A pair of silver candlesticks was "found" amongst the ruins of Ieper (Wiper) Cathedral during the First World War. The candlesticks were brought home by the speaker's soldier grandfather as a Trophy of War. This talk describes the subsequent return of the candlesticks by our speaker many years later. ------------------ This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove. Non-members are welcome. ------------------ -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/

Meeting of the Worcester Branch of the BMSGH The next meeting of the Worcester Branch of the Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry will be on Friday, November 12th, 2010 at 7.30pm. Due to unforeseen circumstances the original speaker is unable to attend. Our Secretary, Christine, has been busy and succeeded in arranging a new talk on "Saucy Worcester and its wonderful women" to be given by Barbara Jenkins. A well-attended meeting would be the best way of showing our appreciation to Mrs. Jenkins for stepping in at short notice. Peter Taylor will again be manning our Lending Library. Tea/coffee and biscuits will be available. The small charge also buys you a ticket in our raffle and helps to cover some of our expenses. The meeting will take place at the Baptist Church Hall in Sansome Walk, Worcester. Members can attend for free and there is a £2 entrance fee for non-members, who are welcome to attend. Further details can be found at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk. Arthur Lewis

Hi Peter and John When I read this, I thought, I am sure I have had things pop up on IGI on Family Search which weren't on Hugh Wallis's IGI, but immediately put it to the back of my mind, mainly because I couldn't think of an instance. I know what I have below is not Worcestershire but it shows that the two records do not tie up completely and perhaps a search of both sites should be carried out. I was sent this christening today with regard to one of my husband's relations.   It is the extracted christening of a Catharine Gowar in Seal, Kent 12th August 1812 and I went on to IGI to check to see if I could find any siblings and found that the records for baptisms in Seal, Kent on IGI are only from 1561 to 1599.   However, I then went on to family search to see what if anything they had and if so to see what clicking on the batch number found.   This baptism was there and it was an extracted record with a batch number.  Regards Eveline ________________________________ From: Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 4 November, 2010 23:04:33 Subject: Re: [WOR] Pre 1837 records John,     I don't know where you found the data about the family of William & Mary Richardson as nothing comes up on IGI.  Indeed, a look at Hugh Wallis shows the only IGI batches for Lower Mitton end at 1700.     That suggests the data may be held locally.     My only suggestion is to go back to the source where you found the 1808 birth on Elizabeth Richardson at Lower Mitton and check if they have deaths and marriages.     Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Peter Ben & Chris for their contribution, and hints. It looks as if local pre 1837 parish records are the answer. I shall have to find someone to look into them for me. Regards and many thanks again John ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Booth To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Pre 1837 records John, I don't know where you found the data about the family of William & Mary Richardson as nothing comes up on IGI. Indeed, a look at Hugh Wallis shows the only IGI batches for Lower Mitton end at 1700. That suggests the data may be held locally. My only suggestion is to go back to the source where you found the 1808 birth on Elizabeth Richardson at Lower Mitton and check if they have deaths and marriages. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I don't know where you found the data about the family of William & Mary Richardson as nothing comes up on IGI. Indeed, a look at Hugh Wallis shows the only IGI batches for Lower Mitton end at 1700. That suggests the data may be held locally. My only suggestion is to go back to the source where you found the 1808 birth on Elizabeth Richardson at Lower Mitton and check if they have deaths and marriages. Peter

What information do you have, which county, what name. Mike in Droitwich Angela wrote: > Hello All, > > Does anyone know where I need to look if I'm trying to find information > about a trial (in 1840)? Have been searching the internet for hours on > end, without any luck. > > Many thanks. > > Regards, > Angela > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All, Does anyone know where I need to look if I'm trying to find information about a trial (in 1840)? Have been searching the internet for hours on end, without any luck. Many thanks. Regards, Angela

Hello the list, I have been searching many years for an ELIZABETH RICHARDSON. Born in Lower Mitton on 28 January 1808, one of 5 siblings to WILLIAM and MARY RICHARDSON (no marriage on Worcester marriage list pre 1837). I have found no trace of her after that entry. The IGI shows an ELIZABETH RICHARDSON marrying a RICHARD NUTHER, in Great Comberton in 1826. I do not think this is the Elizabeth from Worcester as there was/were Richardson family/s in that villiage. I have never found this couple on a census. Perhaps ELIZABETH died as a young girl/lady, before 1837. I wonder if parish records show this? The 1841 census shows many of the family married and living in the Blockhouse area of Worcester, but NO sign of the parents, or indeed ELIZABETH. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Eaton Socon

Hi John, I always tell people to get the microfilm if it shows that as the source of the IGI. There could be more information than is put on the IGI. The burials for the Parish were never extracted but they are usually on the Parish Registers. Also remember to use different spellings of surnames when looking through census records. Georgina www.goodbytree.org In a message dated 11/4/2010 11:20:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jjminfiek@ntlworld.com writes: Hello the list, I have been searching many years for an ELIZABETH RICHARDSON. Born in Lower Mitton on 28 January 1808, one of 5 siblings to WILLIAM and MARY RICHARDSON (no marriage on Worcester marriage list pre 1837). I have found no trace of her after that entry. The IGI shows an ELIZABETH RICHARDSON marrying a RICHARD NUTHER, in Great Comberton in 1826. I do not think this is the Elizabeth from Worcester as there was/were Richardson family/s in that villiage. I have never found this couple on a census. Perhaps ELIZABETH died as a young girl/lady, before 1837. I wonder if parish records show this? The 1841 census shows many of the family married and living in the Blockhouse area of Worcester, but NO sign of the parents, or indeed ELIZABETH. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Eaton Socon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Georgina Goodby Fisher formerly of Sutton Coldfield, Warks now in Orange, California 6 miles from Disneyland One Name Study Goodby

Joy, Go to www.familysearch.org and search using just the surname. It gives 156 entries with all variant surname spellings. You can have a lot of fun sorting them into families. Most look to be from 1600's If you search specifically for Mary Pethward there are only two possible births although others may not be recorded. Try Searching for occurrences of the surname in 1841 and 1851 census using Soundex. You might also look for the surname in submitted trees and surname lists at places like Rootsweb and Ancestry. Peter in Sydney

Hi Joy On FreeREG search there is the entry for George Sale's marriage to Mary Pethward. It states that she came from Pershore. Dont know if you knew that, or if it will prove to be useful Lesley Coordinator, FreeREG Staffordshire ----- Original Message ---- From: Joy Hungerford <m.hungerford@ntlworld.com> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010 12:40:04 Subject: [WOR] (no subject) Sent for the fourth time :o(Hi Listers Sorry to be hogging the cyberspace, if, indeed, I am, but I've come across a little mystery which I'm sure someone will be able to throw some light on. My 4GGF, George SALE, married Mary PETHWARD 27 Nov 1793 in Cleeve Prior. I can find no other mention whatever of the name PETHWARD, but a spot of surfing reveals that PETHARD is, if not common, then certainly not unusual in WOR. Is there, by chance, anyone with this name in their tree, please? Could there possibly be someone actually researching the name? Kind and hopeful regards Joy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Noelene, Kidderminster St Mary - Marriage Register Unpaginated; No 647 [the 2nd marriage that day] Philip MAY of the parish of Kidderminster and Agnes THOMAS of the Same Parish Spinster Married in this Church by Banns 30 June 1799 by W CALLOW, Minister Witnesses: John FOX, Thos WHITCOMB [and a 'professional', Wm COOKE] All 5 signed the Register. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cummins" <briannoelene@gmail.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:24 PM Subject: [WOR] May/Thomas > Hello. > I live in Spain and I am helping a friend in Perth, Australia with his > family history. I have followed the May family into Australia but to > confirm them further back I need a copy or transcription of a marriage. > Philip May married Agnes Thomas at St Mary's Church Kidderminster 30th > June 1799. This might help me link them to a couple with the same names in > Devon (or not). > > Can anyone help me with this please? > Noelene M Cummins > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy I for one have seen everyone of your emails, inc the one you sent 4 times. The reason that I didnt reply was that I know nothing of the people for whom you search, and I suspect its the same for other listers Sorry I cant be of help in your searches Take care Lesley Freereg Staffordshire coordinator ----- Original Message ---- From: Joy Hungerford <m.hungerford@ntlworld.com> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010 13:12:24 Subject: [WOR] STOKES and PRI(T)CHARD in Malvern area I wonder if anyone else is as unsuccessful as I am in trying to contact this list. Hi Gus and Listers I've been fortunate enough to link up this week with another STOKES seeker.My 3GGF, Thomas STOKES, did in fact marry my number one suspect, Jane HYDE (thanks, Gus!) and had four children. His parents were Thomas STOKES b 1759 and Sarah PRI(T)CHARD. Thomas Sr's parents were Thomas STOKES and Anne ALDEY. I've searched for marriages for Thomas/Sarah about 1775 and Thomas/Anne about 1755, but not only have I drawn a blank, I can't even find any nests of PRICHARDs or ALDEYs. Is anyone on the list currently researching any of these names, please? I have STOKES on three lines in the Malvern area of WOR and was hoping to find a link between them. So far, not a sausage. Kind regards Joy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if anyone else is as unsuccessful as I am in trying to contact this list. Hi Gus and Listers I've been fortunate enough to link up this week with another STOKES seeker.My 3GGF, Thomas STOKES, did in fact marry my number one suspect, Jane HYDE (thanks, Gus!) and had four children. His parents were Thomas STOKES b 1759 and Sarah PRI(T)CHARD. Thomas Sr's parents were Thomas STOKES and Anne ALDEY. I've searched for marriages for Thomas/Sarah about 1775 and Thomas/Anne about 1755, but not only have I drawn a blank, I can't even find any nests of PRICHARDs or ALDEYs. Is anyone on the list currently researching any of these names, please? I have STOKES on three lines in the Malvern area of WOR and was hoping to find a link between them. So far, not a sausage. Kind regards Joy