Hello Pamela May I suggest you look at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/WarndonStNicholas.html I hope you find the page useful. Arthur Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "A CLARKE" <evelineclarke183@btinternet.com> To: "Pamela Andre" <palmlea@gmail.com>; <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? To add to Malcolm's reply. Wardon is now an extremely large housing estate called Warndon Villages. However, go back about 30 years and it was just a scattering of houses around an extremely small church which was set on a little hillock. The Church is still there but I have not been in there for some time and I am not sure whether they still hold services. I remember going into the church about that time (30 years ago) and it was a very pretty little church which still had its original high pews. Eveline ________________________________ From: Malcolm Platt-Grigg <mplattgrigg@bigpond.com> To: Pamela Andre <palmlea@gmail.com>; ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 January, 2011 22:32:01 Subject: Re: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? Hi Pamela, According to "Parloc", Warndon is 1.4 miles NE of Worcester, 1.8 miles SE of Claines. Hope this helps. Malcolm Platt-Grigg. -----Original Message----- From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Andre Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 8:21 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? Hello Listers An extracted marriage on the IGI was at Warndon, WOR. Can anyone locate it, please? The bride was Sarah Cope in 1837. Pamela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3358 - Release Date: 01/04/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers An extracted marriage on the IGI was at Warndon, WOR. Can anyone locate it, please? The bride was Sarah Cope in 1837. Pamela

To add to Malcolm's reply. Wardon is now an extremely large housing estate called Warndon Villages.    However, go back about 30 years and it was just a scattering of houses around an extremely small church which was set on a little hillock. The Church is still there but I have not been in there for some time and I am not sure whether they still hold services.    I remember going into the church about that time (30 years ago) and it was a very pretty little church which still had its original high pews. Eveline ________________________________ From: Malcolm Platt-Grigg <mplattgrigg@bigpond.com> To: Pamela Andre <palmlea@gmail.com>; ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 January, 2011 22:32:01 Subject: Re: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? Hi Pamela, According to "Parloc", Warndon is 1.4 miles NE of Worcester, 1.8 miles SE of Claines. Hope this helps. Malcolm Platt-Grigg. -----Original Message----- From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Andre Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 8:21 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? Hello Listers An extracted marriage on the IGI was at Warndon, WOR. Can anyone locate it, please? The bride was Sarah Cope in 1837. Pamela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3358 - Release Date: 01/04/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pamela, According to "Parloc", Warndon is 1.4 miles NE of Worcester, 1.8 miles SE of Claines. Hope this helps. Malcolm Platt-Grigg. -----Original Message----- From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Andre Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 8:21 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Where is Warndon, WOR? Hello Listers An extracted marriage on the IGI was at Warndon, WOR. Can anyone locate it, please? The bride was Sarah Cope in 1837. Pamela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3358 - Release Date: 01/04/11

Put Warndon GENUKI into google and you will get information or try http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/WarndonStNicholas.html Mike in Droitwich Pamela Andre wrote: > Hello Listers > > An extracted marriage on the IGI was at Warndon, WOR. Can anyone locate it, > please? The bride was Sarah Cope in 1837. > > Pamela > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am currently researching the family of John SMART (c.1756-1816) who was a glass cutter. I think it is likely that he married Esther PERRINS at Dudley St Thomas on 26th December 1781 and was buried at Birmingham St Mary Whittall Street on 10th June 1816. Census data leads me to think that there could be a glass cutting dynasty in Dudley and Birmingham - there are several glass workers by the name of SMART in the area. Regards Peter

Hello Worcs List. Start of a new year and time to restate my Worcestershire interests. HODGETTS of Halesowen, Bromgrove and Stoke Prior. LETT and LANGDON of Worcester. TURNER and HUINS of Kidderminster and Bromsgrove district. Thanks and regards Alan Booth

Hi John.. I have Welch family in my tree from Old Swinford.. Herbert Woodall b1790 Old Swinford married on 25/6/1815 in Old Swinford.. Elizabeth Welch christened 29/5/1796 Old Swinford ..her parents were Daniel Welch christened 1770 and Martha Griffiths born c1765 ..Martha seemed to come from Madeley Shropshire. I wander if our Welch and Griffiths are connected..Will have another look at my records to see what I have found so far, as I havent looked at this mob for a while.. My Elizabeth WElch changed her christian name to AMELIA as I think there was another sibling Elizabeth born and died before she was born and she might not like having the name of her dead sister.. Will get back to you after I have searched my records.. Cheers Mary Sydney Go the Aussies in the Cricket.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Griffiths" <johnjgriffiths@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: [WOR] WELCH FAMILY > Hi listers, > > All the best for the up coming year to you all > > I’m wondering if someone out there may be able to shed some light on my > paternal 3 x Great-grandfather and his family John WELCH/WELSH and his > wife Mary POWER. > > I’ve managed to piece together, John was baptised 1 Dec 1793 Old Swinford > Worcestershire, Son of James WELCH and Phoebe PARTRIDGE > They married at Halesowen Worcestershire on 29 Oct 1826 > I’ve only ever been able to locate 2 children, but I feel that there’s > probably more. > Phoebe WELCH bap: 18 Feb 1827 at Old Swinford my 2 x Great-grandmother > married Richard GRIFFITHS on 26 Aug 1849 at Holy Trinity Old Swinford > Sarah WELCH bap: 17 May 1829 at Old Swinford > > 1841 he was living at Angel St Stourbridge with wife Mary and daughters > Phoebe,Sarah and he was a shoe maker > 1849 his occupation was given as thread weaver on his daughter Phoebe’s > marriage certificate > 1851 still at Angel St Stourbridge with wife Mary and daughter Sarah and > still shoe maker > 1856 Dec qtr. wife Mary dies at Stourbridge > 1861 30 Angel St Stourbridge with daughter Sarah and Sarah has a 4 year > old son John and still shoe maker > 1871 Stourbridge Union Work House Shoe maker > 1871 Dec qtr. death at Stourbridge > > The only thing I’ve managed to locate on his wife Mary POWER > bap 12 Oct 1792 at Kidderminster Worcester daughter of Thomas POWER and > Sarah no other children located or marriage details > death: Dec qtr. 1856 Stourbridge > > I’ve located what might be John & Mary’s daughter Sarah in the 1871 Census > in Worcester > John WELSH Head labourer born Hereford > Sarrah [sic] Ann Wife born Stourbridge > John Son and a few more siblings. born Stourbridge > > I haven’t been able to locate a marriage for a Sarah WELCH to a John WELSH > and their son is listed as aged 24 and a labourer, but he should only be > 14. > > Can anyone assist in shedding any light on this family group, whether > there was more than 2 daughter and if I’m on the right track with their > daughter Sarah and grandson John > > Happy Days, > John in Newcastle Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, All the best for the up coming year to you all I’m wondering if someone out there may be able to shed some light on my paternal 3 x Great-grandfather and his family John WELCH/WELSH and his wife Mary POWER. I’ve managed to piece together, John was baptised 1 Dec 1793 Old Swinford Worcestershire, Son of James WELCH and Phoebe PARTRIDGE They married at Halesowen Worcestershire on 29 Oct 1826 I’ve only ever been able to locate 2 children, but I feel that there’s probably more. Phoebe WELCH bap: 18 Feb 1827 at Old Swinford my 2 x Great-grandmother married Richard GRIFFITHS on 26 Aug 1849 at Holy Trinity Old Swinford Sarah WELCH bap: 17 May 1829 at Old Swinford 1841 he was living at Angel St Stourbridge with wife Mary and daughters Phoebe,Sarah and he was a shoe maker 1849 his occupation was given as thread weaver on his daughter Phoebe’s marriage certificate 1851 still at Angel St Stourbridge with wife Mary and daughter Sarah and still shoe maker 1856 Dec qtr. wife Mary dies at Stourbridge 1861 30 Angel St Stourbridge with daughter Sarah and Sarah has a 4 year old son John and still shoe maker 1871 Stourbridge Union Work House Shoe maker 1871 Dec qtr. death at Stourbridge The only thing I’ve managed to locate on his wife Mary POWER bap 12 Oct 1792 at Kidderminster Worcester daughter of Thomas POWER and Sarah no other children located or marriage details death: Dec qtr. 1856 Stourbridge I’ve located what might be John & Mary’s daughter Sarah in the 1871 Census in Worcester John WELSH Head labourer born Hereford Sarrah [sic] Ann Wife born Stourbridge John Son and a few more siblings. born Stourbridge I haven’t been able to locate a marriage for a Sarah WELCH to a John WELSH and their son is listed as aged 24 and a labourer, but he should only be 14. Can anyone assist in shedding any light on this family group, whether there was more than 2 daughter and if I’m on the right track with their daughter Sarah and grandson John Happy Days, John in Newcastle Australia

Roy, Where in Family Search did you find the 1820 christening of Maria Douglas? Was it on IGI, Pedigree Resources file or perhaps the new Beta search? I can't see it. Is there perhaps a batch reference? Peter

Elaine Maria and George appear in the 1851 Census but the image is not clear and thus it is difficult to read where she comes from but it looks like Redlands. In the 1861 Census they are still in Hanbury and have a son Alfred who is 4 (born 1856/1857). Her birthplace is listed as Rednall and she was born c 1820. In the 1871 census they are still in Hanbury and have two children Alfred and WD aged 8 (which is probably your William Douglas). She is again listed as being born in Rednall. I cannot find an Alfred listed as being born in Worcestershire in FreeBMD around 1856/1857 but there is a William born in Droitwich in Q4 1856. There is a possibility that he was William Alfred but you would need to order the Birth Certificate to check that out as he is simply William in the register. In Family Search you will find a Maria Douglas baptised in 1820 and the place is listed as Coston Hackett, Severn Stoke, Worcestershire. Her parents are William and Jane. I cannot find a place called Coston Hackett near Severn Stoke but if you do a Google search on Coston Hackett you will find that it is known as Coston or Cofton Hackett and Rednall is part of Cofton Hackett. The geography is reasonable as well as Hanbury and Cofton Hackett are about 10 miles apart. Hope that is of some help. Regards Roy Email: roy.harris1@ntlworld.com Tel: 01252665993 (Home) 07825426277 (Mobile) -----Original Message----- From: eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-worcester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine McLean Sent: 30 December 2010 23:41 To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS Greetings to all on the list. I am a new member researching ancestors BARBER, HICKMAN, POWEL and DOUGLAS in the Hanbury, Shrawley, Alfrick, Leigh, Bishampton, Park Hill and Droitwich areas and I am wondering if anyone on the list is connected to any of these families. I am staring at a brick wall with 2 wives who married into the BARBER line as follows. Mary POWEL, possibly from Bishampton, who married Thomas BARBER in Hanbury in 1816. I have not been able to find out anymore further about her or her family. Maria DOUGLAS Born C1820. She married George BARBER (Born 1825, Hanbury) at St. Peter's Church Droitwich on November 17th 1850. I have a copy of the marriage certificate and her father is named as William Douglas but no profession listed. Maria's age was not completed on the certificate. I have not been able to find out anything further about her. Maria and George had two sons, Alfred 1856, and Walter Douglas 1863. If anyone can help with the above I should be most grateful. Thank you. Elaine McLean Mission, BC Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, Many thanks for your response. However, I haave searched for my Maria Douglas on the 1841 census and can't find her anywhere. The only thing I know about her is that her father was William Douglas and I can't find him anywhere either. Anyway I do appreciate your thoughts, thank you. It is not too cold here with now and we are having gloriously, crisp, sunny days with fabulous clear blue skies, just as it was for the Olympics here. Regards, Elaine ________________________________ From: "eng-worcester-request@rootsweb.com" <eng-worcester-request@rootsweb.com> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 12:00:39 AM Subject: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 5, Issue 133 Today's Topics: 1. New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS (Elaine McLean) 2. Re: New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS (Peter Booth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine McLean <elainemclean18@yahoo.ca> Subject: [WOR] New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS To: ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <797435.56787.qm@web45814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings to all on the list. I am a new member researching ancestors BARBER, HICKMAN, POWEL and DOUGLAS in the Hanbury, Shrawley, Alfrick, Leigh, Bishampton, Park Hill and Droitwich areas and I am wondering if anyone on the list is connected to any of these families. I am staring at a brick wall with 2 wives who married into the BARBER line as follows. Mary POWEL, possibly from Bishampton, who married Thomas BARBER in Hanbury in 1816. I have not been able to find out anymore further about her or her family. Maria DOUGLAS Born C1820. She married George BARBER (Born 1825, Hanbury) at St. Peter's Church Droitwich on November 17th 1850. I have a copy of the marriage certificate and her father is named as William Douglas but no profession listed. Maria's age was not completed on the certificate. I have not been able to find out anything further about her. Maria and George had two sons, Alfred 1856, and Walter Douglas 1863. If anyone can help with the above I should be most grateful. Thank you. Elaine McLean Mission, BC Canada ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:10:30 +1100 From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [WOR] New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002301cba87f$22cbb6c0$0400a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Elaine, I'll bet it's cold in Canada. I think the answer to ages and birthplaces should lie in census records. Certainly for Maria Douglas. In 1841 she should still be living with parents. I always advise checking every available census. It's amazing the differences that creep in. Sometimes you even find relatives in the same household. Mary Powell will be a bit harder as she would be born around 1795 and may be deceased by 1851. You'll have to do the lookups as I can only access records when at the library. And it's a bit of work going through them all. Peter in Sydney ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 5, Issue 133 *********************************************

Roy, Pass on our congratulations. It's a wonderful event. I was privileged to attend my great grandmother's 100th as a 3yr old back in 1950. It's some of my earliest memories. Thanks also for the lovely story. It's amazing what can happen in a lifetime. Peter

Roy, I did read that report. Congratulations in advance to your mother in law. I have many Bromsgrove connections but the only TROTH I have is Susannah, bap. 31 Jan 1808, daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth. She married 22 Oct 1827 George Wheeler (my 2nd great grand uncle) a coffin furniture maker and had at least 9 children. Nuala On 31/12/2010 20:47, Roy Stockdill wrote: > Did anyone read that report in the papers yesterday from the government's > Department for Work and Pensions which predicted that 10 million people alive today > in Britain - one in six of the population - will live to be 100? Frightening thought, isn't > it? > > Having said that, I am proud to be able to report that for the first time ever (well, as far > as I know) my own family will enjoy the kudos of having a centenarian in its ranks! > > My mother-in-law, Mrs Evelyn Maud Hall, of Poole, Dorset, will join the band who get a > card from Buckingham Palace when she reaches her 100th birthday on Wednesday, > January 5. > > She was born Evelyn Maud TROTH on January 5 1911 in Coventry, Warwickshire, the > elder daughter of William John Troth (who served in both the Boer War and WWI) and > his wife, Emily, nee Watson. I have prepared special laminated copies of her birth and > marriage certificates and also of her entry in the 1911 census, aged under 3 months, > to present to her on the big day. Her entry in the 1911 is easily found, though > interestingly enough, there was another Evelyn Troth who was of virtually an identical > age, born at Paddington, London. > > The surname, TROTH, is fairly uncommon and the vast majority of Troths seem to > have come from the town of Bromsgrove in Worcestershire and spread into > surrounding Midlands counties. My researches suggest Troth is one of those names > that overwhelmingly stem from a particular area and, thus, it may be that all Troths are > ultimately related. As I have said, Bromsgrove figures hugely in the records of Troth > births.

Did anyone read that report in the papers yesterday from the government's Department for Work and Pensions which predicted that 10 million people alive today in Britain - one in six of the population - will live to be 100? Frightening thought, isn't it? Having said that, I am proud to be able to report that for the first time ever (well, as far as I know) my own family will enjoy the kudos of having a centenarian in its ranks! My mother-in-law, Mrs Evelyn Maud Hall, of Poole, Dorset, will join the band who get a card from Buckingham Palace when she reaches her 100th birthday on Wednesday, January 5. She was born Evelyn Maud TROTH on January 5 1911 in Coventry, Warwickshire, the elder daughter of William John Troth (who served in both the Boer War and WWI) and his wife, Emily, nee Watson. I have prepared special laminated copies of her birth and marriage certificates and also of her entry in the 1911 census, aged under 3 months, to present to her on the big day. Her entry in the 1911 is easily found, though interestingly enough, there was another Evelyn Troth who was of virtually an identical age, born at Paddington, London. The surname, TROTH, is fairly uncommon and the vast majority of Troths seem to have come from the town of Bromsgrove in Worcestershire and spread into surrounding Midlands counties. My researches suggest Troth is one of those names that overwhelmingly stem from a particular area and, thus, it may be that all Troths are ultimately related. As I have said, Bromsgrove figures hugely in the records of Troth births. My mother-in-law was eight months pregnant with my wife, Stephanie, when Adolf Hitler's Luftwaffe launched its blitz on Coventry on the terrible night of November 14 1940. My wife was born just four weeks later. They were no more than a couple of miles from the city centre but Hitler's bombers missed them, for which I have always been extremely grateful! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Elaine, I'd initially intended merely to ask you where "Park Hill" might be, as it's not a WOR Parish and (frankly) I'd never heard of it as a 'place' within WOR either, but swift dips into FamilySearch and the 1851 Census have at least partially answered it.... I see that the bulk of your information relating to Thomas BARBER and Mary comes [apparently only] from an Ancestral File produced by a William Edward NELSON of Utah, which details Thomas' baptism & parents; his marriage to Mary POWEL [giving no further details for her]; and his burial - which last entry at least places Park Hill in the Parish of Hanbury. Unfortunately this doesn't advance matters much, as there's no Park Hill marked or named on today's standard-scaled Ordnance Survey Maps at either 1:50,00 or 1:25,000, or my still-larger-scaled 'Street Map' of the County :-( But the "best fit" in today's terms would appear to be either Park Farm [by Middle Hill] or Park Hall Farm, almost on the Eastern edge of the Parish. So to the 1851 Census where they're to be found... 1851 Census - HO107/2046/604/59 Park Hill, Hanbury, Worcestershire Thomas BARBER Senr, Head, M, 58, M, Ag labourer, WOR, Shrawley Mary BARBER, Wife, M, 57, F, Ag Lab's Wife, WOR, Hanbury Eliza BARBER, Dau, -, 13, F, -, WOR, Hanbury But again doesn't add very much establishing that Tom Sr is extremely likely to be the Thomas baptised at Shrawley on 15 Sep 1793 [an Extracted entry], and that Mary *may* not've been born in Bishampton... However, on the previous page, and "next door" were: 1851 Census - HO107/2046/6034/58 Park Lane, Hanbury, Worcestershire Thomas BARBER Junr, Head, M, 33, M, Ag labourer, WOR, Hanbury Mary BARBER, Wife, M, 26, F, Ag Lab Wife, WOR, Bishampton Sarah Martha BARBER, Dau, -, 4, F, -, WOR, Feckenham Georg [sic] W[?] BARBER, Son, -, 2, M, -, WOR, Hanbury Mary Ann BARBER, Dau, -, 5m, F, -, WOR, Hanbury Which makes me suspect you may have confused the birthplaces of the two Marys. However, the "Enumerator's Route" rules out both the farms listed above, as his area was restricted to the North side of the former Turnpike Road between Droitwich and Feckenham, and the farms are on the South side of it [with Park Farm specifically included in the other Enumerator's area]. An examination of the 1880s OS 6" map doesn't show any likely hits either :-( So, no luck on the Place, but I think I may have found Mary POWEL's baptism from the details given in the 1851 - "Born Hanbury; age 57" - so [if true] she'd've been born 1793-94. The following extracted baptism looks good... Hanbury, 1794 Mar 30, Mary POWEL d/o James POWEL & Mary. I've not attempted to look for their marriage or to try to trace either of them further... Equally I've made no attempt to pursue Thomas Jnr's Mary from Bishampton, as this couple would seem to be off your line. As for George's Maria I've had little success. In 1851 they were living probably within about 10 minutes walk of my house, so had the question arisen then I could likely've gone and knocked on their door and asked. Unfortunately the birthplace given for her of "WOR, Redlands" is about as much help as her father-in-Law's Park Hill :-( However, in the 1861 - when they were in London - the answer at least made some sort of sense, in that it was given as "WOR, Rednal", which is a genuine place... As ever, though, it comes at a price... Rednal was a 'Location' that lay across the junction of the Old Parishes of Bromsgrove, Cofton Hackett, and Kings Norton - even today, and all within the District of Bromsgrove, the area has no Official Name... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McLean" <elainemclean18@yahoo.ca> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:40 PM Subject: [WOR] New member research BARBER/HICKMAN/DOUGLAS > Greetings to all on the list. I am a new member researching ancestors > BARBER, > HICKMAN, POWEL and DOUGLAS in the Hanbury, Shrawley, Alfrick, Leigh, > Bishampton, Park Hill and Droitwich areas and I am wondering if anyone on > the > list is connected to any of these families. > > I am staring at a brick wall with 2 wives who married into the BARBER line > as > follows. > > Mary POWEL, possibly from Bishampton, who married Thomas BARBER in Hanbury > in > 1816. I have not been able to find out anymore further about her or her > family. > > Maria DOUGLAS Born C1820. She married George BARBER (Born 1825, Hanbury) > at St. > Peter's Church Droitwich on November 17th 1850. I have a copy of the > marriage > certificate and her father is named as William Douglas but no profession > listed. Maria's age was not completed on the certificate. I have not > been able > to find out anything further about her. Maria and George had two sons, > Alfred > 1856, and Walter Douglas 1863. > > If anyone can help with the above I should be most grateful. > Thank you. > Elaine McLean > Mission, BC > Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, I'll bet it's cold in Canada. I think the answer to ages and birthplaces should lie in census records. Certainly for Maria Douglas. In 1841 she should still be living with parents. I always advise checking every available census. It's amazing the differences that creep in. Sometimes you even find relatives in the same household. Mary Powell will be a bit harder as she would be born around 1795 and may be deceased by 1851. You'll have to do the lookups as I can only access records when at the library. And it's a bit of work going through them all. Peter in Sydney

Greetings to all on the list. I am a new member researching ancestors BARBER, HICKMAN, POWEL and DOUGLAS in the Hanbury, Shrawley, Alfrick, Leigh, Bishampton, Park Hill and Droitwich areas and I am wondering if anyone on the list is connected to any of these families. I am staring at a brick wall with 2 wives who married into the BARBER line as follows. Mary POWEL, possibly from Bishampton, who married Thomas BARBER in Hanbury in 1816. I have not been able to find out anymore further about her or her family. Maria DOUGLAS Born C1820. She married George BARBER (Born 1825, Hanbury) at St. Peter's Church Droitwich on November 17th 1850. I have a copy of the marriage certificate and her father is named as William Douglas but no profession listed. Maria's age was not completed on the certificate. I have not been able to find out anything further about her. Maria and George had two sons, Alfred 1856, and Walter Douglas 1863. If anyone can help with the above I should be most grateful. Thank you. Elaine McLean Mission, BC Canada

are Berrows available online c1955? Are other records of possible Worcestershire trials, imprisonment available for that period? dean clarke On 12 Dec 2010, at 16:32, Gus Tysoe wrote: > Hello Angela, > > AFAIK if he was sentenced at the Assizes you'll be out of luck anywhere, > other than to search the local papers for reports. [Berrow's Worcester > Journal, or the Worcester Herald.] > > OTOH, if he was dealt with by the local Quarter Sessions, these have > indexed - in manuscript only - available at either the Records Office at > County Hall, or the History Centre in the middle of the town. [POSSIBLY > both, but I have reservations!] > > Other problems arise over which Gaol he was in - for there were 2. The City > Gaol (fairly near the cathedral, but now long gone) or the County Gaol a > little to the North of today's Railway Bridge - and demolished in the 1930s. > They held different classes of offender, the City being for minor offences > within the boundary. > > A - very - few "Calendars" of prison inmates are also held at Worcester > Records Office. > > Gus > > >> I wondered if it is possible to obtain copies of Worcester trial and gaol >> records, and if so, where from. Gloucestershire has a searchable database >> which tells you which records are available - is there anything similar >> for Worcestershire? >> Any advice much appreciated. >> I am looking to obtain an 1836 Worcester gaol record for George Moorfield, >> Angela >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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