Trevor, You seem to be doing all the right things, so I'm not going to re-check you. I presume when you say LDS entries you mean user submissions. While not perfect, these are usually based on someone's findings, so shouldn't be completely dismissed. But I think your answer lies in census records, which you haven't mentioned. Being married in 1857, both William Checketts and Jane Clemens should be with their parents in 8141 and 1851 census. While 1841 will only show if born in or out of county, 1851 should show exact birth places. That should prove the link to George Checketts and Louisa Cook and give their origins. I'd then use the Hugh Wallis site to look at the batches for those parishes for earlier family BDM events. Peter

Hi everyone, I have just re-subscribed to this list after a couple of years break. I have moved my family tree on a fair bit but am stuck on the "CHECKETTS". LUCY JANE CHECKETT (born 1862) is a direct ancestor of mine. Her parents were WILLIAM CHECKETTS (baptised 26.04.1835 at UPTON SNODSBURY) & JANE CLEMMENS (CLEMENS) (born around 1833), they were married in 1857. Williams parents were I believe GEORGE CHECKETTS & LOUISA COOK, married 26.12.1825 at CHILDS WICKHAM in GLOUCESTERSHIRE. I have found entries on the family search site for George's birth and his parents names but they are only LDS entries and I have been unable to corroborate them. These entries show his birth as 17.08.1803 at UPTON SNODSBURY and parents FRANCIS CHECKETTS & SARAH WESTON. The UPTON SNODSBURY batch on family search only has entries for George's children, and a general search only brings up the LDS entry. The LDS entry also shows Francis as born 06.08.1775 at HOLY CROSS, PERSHORE but I could not find him in the batch; there is only a female Frances christened 1783. Francis' parents are shown on the LDS entry as JOHN CHECKETTS & MARY BUSHELS (the parents of the female Frances mentioned above!) but although I found 9 children for them, none was called Francis. Further generations going back were shown as follows: the parents of John Checketts were shown as JOHN CHECKETTS & ELIZABETH, the next generation back WILLIAM CHECKETTS & MARY, then WILLIAM & HANNA; but with less information at each stage. Can anyone out there who has Checketts in their family tree please help? Or, indeed has anyone got any suggestions as to how I can trace this line back with some degree of certainty? Many thanks, Trevor

Would some kind person visiting the Worcestershire Family History Centre please have the time to look up a marriage for me? The details are: 18 OCT 1813   Saint Bartholomew, Tardebigge, John Corbitt and Mary Stanford. I know the chances are not good but I am hoping that there may be information in addition to the bare minimum above - maybe from which parish they came if not from Tardebigge. Many thanks Dennis

Hi Bev, You need Acocks Green Historical Society website. http://aghs.jimdo.com/ The index on the home page is quite long. Just over half way down are Yardley Parish registers 1539-1676. They are only a transcriptions so you will need to check out originals. My HANDS, HANNES, etc were from there. Good luck Mike Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry http://www.bmsgh.org/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/ On 12/01/2011 18:28, Bev Thomson wrote: > Am hoping that someone might be aware of *on-line* info source(s) > re very early Yardley, Worcestershire records. > I have found some of my GILBERT ancestors associated w/St-Edburgha > Parish ca late 1500 early 1600>>>> there. Would love to find& confirm > more. > Any help - extremely appreciated. > Bev > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 12 Jan 2011 at 17:09, Mike YEGWART wrote: > Hi Roy, > > I didn't mean certificates to back then. Just that there are a lot of > descendants from then 'til now, who night need certificates, post > 1837. > > Mike > > > On 12/01/2011 15:45, Roy Stockdill wrote: > > On 12 Jan 2011 at 14:49, Mike YEGWART wrote: > > > >> The Thomas HANDS born around 1849 is my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. > >> Buying certificates for a common descendant back to 1731 needs a > >> bottomless wallet. All the HANDS in baptised, married and buried > >> in Tardebigge from 1700-1800 are now mine, and probably Bromsgrove > >> pre 1850. But probably isn't good enough. Although I do think > >> it's likely this fellow is mine.> > > You couldn't buy certificates back to 1731 even if you wanted to, > > since they only exist from July 1 1837 when civil registration was > > introduced ! > > I felt sure you knew, Mike. I was just testing (and teasing) you! Have you considered doing a one-name study of HANDS? The surname does not appear to be currently registered with the Guild. I edited the Journal of One-Name Studies for 10 years. A quick check with the British Surname Atlas CD (which creates splendid surname distribution maps from the 1881 census data) reveals that HANDS is overwhelmingly a Warwickshire surname - not Worcestershire but very much the adjoining county. In the 1881 census there were 3,004 people with the name, of which 1,119 - just over one-third - were resident in Warwickshire. The next highest concentration was in Middlesex (323) but way behind Warwickshire. Worcestershire came third with 171 entries. There were 43 people called HANDS in the Bromsgrove Poor Law Union. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Roy, I didn't mean certificates to back then. Just that there are a lot of descendants from then 'til now, who night need certificates, post 1837. Mike On 12/01/2011 15:45, Roy Stockdill wrote: > On 12 Jan 2011 at 14:49, Mike YEGWART wrote: > >> The Thomas HANDS born around 1849 is my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. >> Buying certificates for a common descendant back to 1731 needs a >> bottomless wallet. All the HANDS in baptised, married and buried in >> Tardebigge from 1700-1800 are now mine, and probably Bromsgrove pre >> 1850. But probably isn't good enough. Although I do think it's >> likely this fellow is mine.> > You couldn't buy certificates back to 1731 even if you wanted to, since they only exist > from July 1 1837 when civil registration was introduced ! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 12 Jan 2011 at 14:49, Mike YEGWART wrote: > The Thomas HANDS born around 1849 is my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. > Buying certificates for a common descendant back to 1731 needs a > bottomless wallet. All the HANDS in baptised, married and buried in > Tardebigge from 1700-1800 are now mine, and probably Bromsgrove pre > 1850. But probably isn't good enough. Although I do think it's > likely this fellow is mine. > You couldn't buy certificates back to 1731 even if you wanted to, since they only exist from July 1 1837 when civil registration was introduced ! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks to Gus, Katherine, Roy and Peter who responded. The Thomas HANDS born around 1849 is my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. Buying certificates for a common descendant back to 1731 needs a bottomless wallet. All the HANDS in baptised, married and buried in Tardebigge from 1700-1800 are now mine, and probably Bromsgrove pre 1850. But probably isn't good enough. Although I do think it's likely this fellow is mine. Thank you for it not being a St. Clement marriage. Joseph and Ann clearly had their difficulties as they ended up in The Workhouse, where Thomas was born and his mother died. This explains Ann missing from the later censuses. I'll keep digging for now, unless I get down to Worcester Record Office first. Thanks again Mike Mike Yegwart ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike YEGWART" > <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> > To: "Worcester" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:33 AM > Subject: [WOR] Marriage details for Worcester, please > > >> Hi Folks, >> >> In several censuses a Thomas HANDS appears with his wife Sarah in >> Worcester. (FreeBMD June quarter 1879 to Sarah Ann BALL.) In the >> 1881,1891 and 1901 his birth is suggested as 1852/53. In the 1871 in >> Claines there was a single Thomas, in the Militia, birth suggested as >> 1850. All the census data says he was born in Bromsgrove. >> >> But there was no birth of a Thomas between 1851/53 - FreeBMD & Ancestry. >> >> I think he was Thomas HANDS, born to Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN in the >> September quarter of 1849. > >> Please does anyone have Worcester Church Records of the marriage for >> 1879? I'm after Thomas father, so I can evidentially link him in to my >> 700 years of HANDS'. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Mike > >

Am hoping that someone might be aware of *on-line* info source(s) re very early Yardley, Worcestershire records. I have found some of my GILBERT ancestors associated w/St-Edburgha Parish ca late 1500 early 1600 >>>> there. Would love to find & confirm more. Any help - extremely appreciated. Bev

Hi Mike, > Why the change of birth date I have no idea. It isn't *only* women who lie about their age you know :-) [Was it Jack Benny who remained 39 for something over 40 years?] The decennial click-overs of the Age Mileometer are perhaps more worrying to Younger Men, but each one can seem to mark a Significant Shift in relation to "how many years have I got left?" or the terrifying thought of becoming "middle-aged"... BUT - have you seen his birth certificate to be able to say his parents were Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN? I ask, because in the 1851 his mother was 'absent', while he, his father, and 2 older sisters were all paupers in Bromsgrove Workhouse. Granted his father was then reported to be married as opposed to being a widower - but there's the death of an Ann HANDS registered in Bromsgrove District in 1850 Jun Q [18 186]... There *is* a marriage at Bromsgrove on IGI - but it's not an extraction - for Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN on 15 May 1837. [The precise month and date are at least encouraging.] But as far as Tom's marriage is concerned, all I can say is that it wasn't in St Clement where they were recorded - in The Pinch - in the following 3 Censuses. Worcester District had many churches and chapels, and unless somebody in GOONS has done a 'Marriage Challenge' your chances of finding it for free seem to be minimal... As Katherine posted, you really have little choice other than to - Grrr - Buy the Cert... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike YEGWART" <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> To: "Worcester" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: [WOR] Marriage details for Worcester, please > Hi Folks, > > In several censuses a Thomas HANDS appears with his wife Sarah in > Worcester. (FreeBMD June quarter 1879 to Sarah Ann BALL.) In the > 1881,1891 and 1901 his birth is suggested as 1852/53. In the 1871 in > Claines there was a single Thomas, in the Militia, birth suggested as > 1850. All the census data says he was born in Bromsgrove. > > But there was no birth of a Thomas between 1851/53 - FreeBMD & Ancestry. > > I think he was Thomas HANDS, born to Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN in the > September quarter of 1849. > > Please does anyone have Worcester Church Records of the marriage for > 1879? I'm after Thomas father, so I can evidentially link him in to my > 700 years of HANDS'. > > > Kind regards > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, you need to order the marriage certificate!! > From: eng-worcester-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 > To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 01:00:48 -0700 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Marriage details for Worcester, please (Mike YEGWART) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:33:38 +0000 > From: Mike YEGWART <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> > Subject: [WOR] Marriage details for Worcester, please > To: Worcester <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4D2AEE92.2060804@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Folks, > > In several censuses a Thomas HANDS appears with his wife Sarah in > Worcester. (FreeBMD June quarter 1879 to Sarah Ann BALL.) In the > 1881,1891 and 1901 his birth is suggested as 1852/53. In the 1871 in > Claines there was a single Thomas, in the Militia, birth suggested as > 1850. All the census data says he was born in Bromsgrove. > > But there was no birth of a Thomas between 1851/53 - FreeBMD & Ancestry. > > I think he was Thomas HANDS, born to Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN in the > September quarter of 1849. Why the change of birth date I have no idea. > > Please does anyone have Worcester Church Records of the marriage for > 1879? I'm after Thomas father, so I can evidentially link him in to my > 700 years of HANDS'. > > > Kind regards > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 > *******************************************

Hi Folks, In several censuses a Thomas HANDS appears with his wife Sarah in Worcester. (FreeBMD June quarter 1879 to Sarah Ann BALL.) In the 1881,1891 and 1901 his birth is suggested as 1852/53. In the 1871 in Claines there was a single Thomas, in the Militia, birth suggested as 1850. All the census data says he was born in Bromsgrove. But there was no birth of a Thomas between 1851/53 - FreeBMD & Ancestry. I think he was Thomas HANDS, born to Joseph HANDS and Ann BROWN in the September quarter of 1849. Why the change of birth date I have no idea. Please does anyone have Worcester Church Records of the marriage for 1879? I'm after Thomas father, so I can evidentially link him in to my 700 years of HANDS'. Kind regards Mike

Hi I have finally found my Robert L Slater born 1892 in Worcester on the 1911 census as Royal Navy at Sea. As my Ancestry subscription has just ended, I would be really grateful if someone could give me the full entry. Kindest regard Chris - Doha

I have found it Chris I can send an attachment for you to see original Give me your address = Ship Powerful in Sydney Brian In BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: Chris El-Amir Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:37 PM To: Worcester list Subject: [WOR] Robert L SLATER Hi I have finally found my Robert L Slater born 1892 in Worcester on the 1911 census as Royal Navy at Sea. As my Ancestry subscription has just ended, I would be really grateful if someone could give me the full entry. Kindest regard Chris - Doha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mike - and with apologies... It just seemed to good to leave alone. [And it was *BEFORE* I went to the pub, too!] Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike YEGWART" <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> To: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Worcester" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com>; <MIDMARCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Bromsgrove BMSGH - open to non-members > Hi Gus, Bill, and everyone else, > > Just to clarify > > UKMFH is UK Military Family History on the Internet. > http://www.ukmfh.org.uk/ > > UKGDL is UK Genealogical Directory and Lists on the Internet > http://www.ukgdl.org.uk/ > > Cheers > > Mike > > On 06/01/2011 16:46, Gus Tysoe wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> I know and use UKBMD - and dearly wish that Worcestershire had had the >> nous to join it - but UKGNL? or UKMFH? >> >> Yes, I know that Worcester Records Office holds indexes of Gamekeepers, >> but after the recent Ban I can't really see the point of a National Index >> of Masters of Fox Hounds.... >> >> Gus >> >> >> >> >> Hi Folks >> >> Our meeting is open to non-members on Tuesday 11th January 2011 at 7.45 >> p.m. >> >> “BMD’s on the Internet” (Births, Marriages & Deaths) >> >> presented by Ian Hartas, founder of UKBMD Website: >> http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php >> >> Ian will cover Civil Registration basics and demonstrate the BMD >> websites to highlight their best usage. He will also show that UKBMD is >> more than just Civil Registration. If time permits Ian will also look at >> UKBMD’s companion >> Sites: UKGDL and UKMFH >> >> ******************************* >> This event will take place at >> Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. >> By the Dolphin Centre >> ************************* >> Please note that our web-site can be found at: >> http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ >> >> The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for >> your queries. You don't even have to be a member, but it helps. >>

Hi Gus, Bill, and everyone else, Just to clarify UKMFH is UK Military Family History on the Internet. http://www.ukmfh.org.uk/ UKGDL is UK Genealogical Directory and Lists on the Internet http://www.ukgdl.org.uk/ Cheers Mike On 06/01/2011 16:46, Gus Tysoe wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I know and use UKBMD - and dearly wish that Worcestershire had had the > nous to join it - but UKGNL? or UKMFH? > > Yes, I know that Worcester Records Office holds indexes of > Gamekeepers, but after the recent Ban I can't really see the point of > a National Index of Masters of Fox Hounds.... > > Gus > > > > > Hi Folks > > Our meeting is open to non-members on Tuesday 11th January 2011 at 7.45 > p.m. > > “BMD’s on the Internet” (Births, Marriages & Deaths) > > presented by Ian Hartas, founder of UKBMD Website: > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php > > Ian will cover Civil Registration basics and demonstrate the BMD > websites to highlight their best usage. He will also show that UKBMD is > more than just Civil Registration. If time permits Ian will also look at > UKBMD’s companion > Sites: UKGDL and UKMFH > > ******************************* > This event will take place at > Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. > By the Dolphin Centre > ************************* > Please note that our web-site can be found at: > http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ > > The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for > your queries. You don't even have to be a member, but it helps. >

Hi, Are we not all hunting our relative's with the scent fading the further afield we hunt. Tallyho, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Mike YEGWART" <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com>; "Worcester" <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com>; <MIDMARCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Bromsgrove BMSGH - open to non-members Hi Mike, I know and use UKBMD - and dearly wish that Worcestershire had had the nous to join it - but UKGNL? or UKMFH? Yes, I know that Worcester Records Office holds indexes of Gamekeepers, but after the recent Ban I can't really see the point of a National Index of Masters of Fox Hounds.... Gus Hi Folks Our meeting is open to non-members on Tuesday 11th January 2011 at 7.45 p.m. “BMD’s on the Internet” (Births, Marriages & Deaths) presented by Ian Hartas, founder of UKBMD Website: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php Ian will cover Civil Registration basics and demonstrate the BMD websites to highlight their best usage. He will also show that UKBMD is more than just Civil Registration. If time permits Ian will also look at UKBMD’s companion Sites: UKGDL and UKMFH ******************************* This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. By the Dolphin Centre ************************* Please note that our web-site can be found at: http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. You don't even have to be a member, but it helps. -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5764 (20110106) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5764 (20110106) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi Mike, I know and use UKBMD - and dearly wish that Worcestershire had had the nous to join it - but UKGNL? or UKMFH? Yes, I know that Worcester Records Office holds indexes of Gamekeepers, but after the recent Ban I can't really see the point of a National Index of Masters of Fox Hounds.... Gus Hi Folks Our meeting is open to non-members on Tuesday 11th January 2011 at 7.45 p.m. “BMD’s on the Internet” (Births, Marriages & Deaths) presented by Ian Hartas, founder of UKBMD Website: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php Ian will cover Civil Registration basics and demonstrate the BMD websites to highlight their best usage. He will also show that UKBMD is more than just Civil Registration. If time permits Ian will also look at UKBMD’s companion Sites: UKGDL and UKMFH ******************************* This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. By the Dolphin Centre ************************* Please note that our web-site can be found at: http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. You don't even have to be a member, but it helps. -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks Our meeting is open to non-members on Tuesday 11th January 2011 at 7.45 p.m. “BMD’s on the Internet” (Births, Marriages & Deaths) presented by Ian Hartas, founder of UKBMD Website: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php Ian will cover Civil Registration basics and demonstrate the BMD websites to highlight their best usage. He will also show that UKBMD is more than just Civil Registration. If time permits Ian will also look at UKBMD’s companion Sites: UKGDL and UKMFH ******************************* This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, 19, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove, B60 1AS. By the Dolphin Centre ************************* Please note that our web-site can be found at: http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. You don't even have to be a member, but it helps. -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH

Greetings for a New Year, Some Worcestershire interests.. LAWRENCE [Powick], FARLEY [Worcester/Bransford], YEOMANS [Lower Sapey/Martley], DURRANT [Malvern], BATCHELOR [Bransford/Leigh/Newland] Also interested to know if anyone has any info on Winifred Joan LAWRENCE, nee NEWPORT, died 1995 in Malvern Link. Good hunting, David Lawrence